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Question: Should we sacrifice 1% of our coast to prevent WW3?

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Re: Should Israel bomb/invade Gaza ?
Reply #45 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:10pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:07pm:
But master Light - it is quite a threat:


General Moshe Dayan
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Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third.

We have the capability to take the world down with us.

And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.



master Light,
you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas -
you must consider all the threats that surround you
& act upon them in a logical way.

Mr Spock would agree.


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many blessings

your track record of fear based responses

grounded in 'what if 'excludes you from any logic

from spock ... what is manifesting is a pattern,

everything I write and post is being copied by you.

this is observed for what it is ........

fear not you remain dearly loved ,

yet you are exposed for as much

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Re: Should Israel bomb/invade Gaza ?
Reply #46 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:14pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
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Dear master Light,
I have offered unto thee a solution to prevent a nuclear war
which would annihilate us all &
it only involves a small sacrifice of 1% of our coastline.

Do you have a better solution to the Jewish question?

namaste


oh yes ,

thats what the UN said to palestine ,

look how that turned out ..

http://dpmasitm.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/israel-palestine_maps.jpg

if you do not learn from the past

you will be destined to make the same error

fear not ... this is forgiven

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Master Light,
you act as though the Jews are like Johnny Rocco.

forgiven

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Re: Should Israel bomb/invade Gaza ?
Reply #47 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:51pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 6:36pm:
Israel Bombs Civilian Targets Linked to Hamas! UN Says 77% of Dead Are Civilians!

Published on Jul 12, 2014
Israel has ignored international appeals for a ceasefire and widened its range of Gaza bomb targets to include civilian institutions with suspected Hamas ties.

It announced it would hit Gaza with 'great force' after already carrying out more than 1,200 airstrikes this week.




Good.

Until Hamas stops targeting Israel's population centres with rockets from Gaza, Israel should continue to target 1/ Hamas leaders and members, 2/ military material/targets which are being shielded by sympathetic Hamas supporters, and 2/ continue to raze buildings in Gaza which are sheltering Hamas militants.

When Gazans want Israeli retaliation [for Hamas rockets targeting Israel's population centres] to stop, the people of Gaza should tell their Hamas leadership.

And then Hamas can make a public announcement, that Hamas apologises for rocketing Israeli civilians, and that it will cease all further rocket launches against Israel.

Then Israel will be forced to cease its retaliatory attacks in Gaza.i
....Despite the historically biased reporting about civilian casualties, for years Israel has made telephone calls, sent SMS messages, distributed leaflets, and fired flares to warn civilians to leave targeted buildings and sites. Even according to the New York Times, Israel has gone so far as to fire inert missiles without explosive warheads onto roofs as "warning shots" to warn Palestinians to evacuate in safety. Some defy these warnings; meanwhile, Hamas violates international law both by targeting Israel's civilians and by using its own people as human shields -- and then blaming Israel for the casualties.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4398/christian-canadian-support-israel


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giJlG3KXq8c
A Hamas military commander recounts on Palestinian TV how Israeli forces gave advance warning to him, to evacuate his home before bombing it.

He goes on to describe how after the warning, he rushed to gather friends, family and neighbors on the roof of the building.



...

Gazans move onto rooftops - to protect Hamas leadership and Hamas weapons stores in Gaza

Booooooom! - 'Civilian' casualties!


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #48 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:26pm
 
That's terrible Yadda,

why haven't you voted in my poll?
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Reply #49 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:07pm:
master Light,you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas


then stop encouraging him by calling him master .... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Reply #50 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:56pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:07pm:
master Light,you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas


then stop encouraging him by calling him master .... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



But he is a master of spirituality but not politics or science.

forgiven

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Reply #51 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:24am
 
Gazans should be willing to die for Allah's cause. It is their duty to fertilise the ground of Palestine with their blood.
- Hamas



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United Nations: Most Gaza Casualties Were Warned by IDF to Leave Targeted Buildings in Advance
July 10, 2014
A new United Nations document says that in most cases where Palestinians have been killed or injured during Israel’s ongoing Gaza campaign, the Israeli army alerted civilians ahead of time who were occupying buildings, that they planned to bomb in Gaza, to leave the premises.

.....Hamas, however, has officially urged residents to ignore the Israeli warnings to evacuate prior to Air Force air strikes, and, instead, called on them to serve as human shields.

....Palestinians report that close to 90 Gazans have been killed and some 630 wounded in IAF strikes across the 40-kilometer-long coastal enclave since the start of Operation Protective Edge.

Israel contends that many of the casualties are members of Hamas and other terror groups. “When houses are used for military purposes, they may become legitimate military targets under international law,”...


http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/10/united-nations-most-gaza-casualties-were-wa...

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Re: Should Israel bomb/invade Gaza ?
Reply #52 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 2:49am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:07pm:
master Light,you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas


then stop encouraging him by calling him master .... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



But he is a master of spirituality but not politics or science.

forgiven

namaste


many blessings ,

you continue to copy syntax and style of post ,

then defame the one you emulate

that is p1ssweak , yet forgiven

namaste

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Reply #53 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:21am
 
IDF's Gaza assault is to control Palestinian gas, avert Israeli energy crisis


Israel's defence minister has confirmed that military plans to 'uproot Hamas' are about dominating Gaza's gas reserves


Yesterday, Israeli defence minister and former Israeli Defence Force (IDF) chief of staff Moshe Ya'alon announced that Operation Protective Edge marks the beginning of a protracted assault on Hamas. The operation "won't end in just a few days...we are preparing to expand the operation by all means standing at our disposal..."

But in 2007, a year before Operation Cast Lead, Ya'alon's concerns focused on the 1.4 trillion cubic feet of natural gas discovered in 2000 off the Gaza coast, valued at $4 billion. Ya'alon dismissed the notion that "Gaza gas can be a key driver of an economically more viable Palestinian state" as "misguided."...

"A gas transaction with the Palestinian Authority [PA] will, by definition, involve Hamas. Hamas will either benefit from the royalties or it will sabotage the project and launch attacks against Fatah, the gas installations, Israel – or all three…It is clear that without an overall military operation to uproot Hamas control of Gaza, no drilling work can take place without the consent of the radical Islamic movement."

Operation Cast Lead did not succeed in uprooting Hamas, but the conflict did take the lives of 1,387 Palestinians (773 of whom were civilians) and 9 Israelis (3 of whom were civilians).

Since the discovery of oil and gas in the Occupied Territories, resource competition has increasingly been at the heart of the conflict, motivated largely by Israel's increasing domestic energy woes.

Mark Turner, founder of the Research Journalism Initiative, reported that the siege of Gaza and ensuing military pressure was designed to "eliminate" Hamas as "a viable political entity in Gaza" to generate a "political climate" conducive to a gas deal...

...Ya'alon's comments in 2007 illustrate that the Israeli cabinet is not just concerned about Hamas – but concerned that if Palestinians develop their own gas resources, the resulting economic transformation could in turn fundamentally increase Palestinian clout...

...A 2012 letter by two Israeli government chief scientists...warned the government that Israel still had insufficient gas resources to sustain exports...The letter, according to Ha'aretz, stated that Israel's domestic resources were 50% less than needed to support meaningful exports...

..."We believe Israel should...should not export gas. The Natural Gas Authority's estimates are lacking. There's a gap of 100 to 150 billion cubic meters between the demand projections that were presented to the committee and the most recent projections..."

...Dr Gary Luft - an advisor to the US Energy Security Council - wrote in the Journal of Energy Security, "with the depletion of Israel's domestic gas supplies accelerating, and without an imminent rise in Egyptian gas imports, Israel could face a power crisis in the next few years…If Israel is to continue to pursue its natural gas plans it must diversify its supply sources."...

...electricity prices reach record levels, heightening the imperative to diversify supply. This appears to be behind Prime Minister Netanyahu's announcement in February 2011 that it was now time to seal the Gaza gas deal. But even after a new round of negotiations was kick-started between the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority and Israel in September 2012, Hamas was excluded from these talks, and thus rejected the legitimacy of any deal...

...the PA has held several meetings with the British Gas Group to develop the Gaza gas field, albeit with a view to exclude Hamas – and thus Gazans – from access to the proceeds. That plan had been the brainchild of Quartet Middle East envoy Tony Blair...

According to Anais Antreasyan in the University of California's Journal of Palestine Studies, the most respected English language journal devoted to the Arab-Israeli conflict, Israel's stranglehold over Gaza has been designed to make "Palestinian access to the Marine-1 and Marine-2 gas wells impossible." Israel's long-term goal "besides preventing the Palestinians from exploiting their own resources, is to integrate the gas fields off Gaza into the adjacent Israeli offshore installations." This is part of a wider strategy of:

"…. separating the Palestinians from their land and natural resources in order to exploit them, and, as a consequence, blocking Palestinian economic development..."

...for the IDF uprooting Hamas means destroying the group's perceived civilian support base...Palestinian civilian casualties massively outweigh that of Israelis...

In the wake of Operation Cast Lead, the Jerusalem-based Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (Pcati) found that the IDF had adopted a more aggressive combat doctrine based on two principles – "zero casualties" for IDF soldiers at the cost of deploying increasingly indiscriminate firepower in densely populated areas, and the "dahiya doctrine promoting targeting of civilian infrastructure to create widespread suffering amongst the population with a view to foment opposition to Israel's opponents.

This was confirmed in practice by the  UN fact-finding mission in Gaza which concluded that the IDF had pursued a "deliberate policy of disproportionate force," aimed at the "supporting infrastructure" of the enemy - "this appears to have meant the civilian population,"...

- The Guardian
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Reply #54 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:22am
 
theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war-gaza-palestine-
natural-gas-energy-crisis
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Reply #55 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 9:04am
 
Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:22am:
theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war
-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis




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IDF's Gaza assault is to control Palestinian gas, avert Israeli energy crisis
Nafeez Ahmed      
Thursday 10 July 2014

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war-gaza...






Two comments at the article link which i agree with, and which give some balance, and which contradict/criticise the opinion of the articles author, Nafeez Ahmed....

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This is the biggest load of crap I've ever read. This guy has just thrown his PhD away and entered the world of fairy land

Israel is defending itself from Hamas Islamists firing rockets since 2005 into Israel and the real reason is energy....

What?



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Using a a 2007 quote to justify a hair-brained theory applying to today is irresponsible journalism, plain and simple. How did this tripe make it into the Google News headlines?



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Reply #56 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 10:39am
 
Hamas - the governing authority in Gaza - instigated, and continues its rocket fire into Israel, firing rockets against Israel's population centres.

It is Israel which is the injured party.


Hamas is the remorseless criminal - who is squealing at his punishment.



And the world community, largely, refuses to confront or to even acknowledge the wrongdoing of Hamas.

But rather, chooses to portray Hamas and Gazans as the victims of an Israeli assault.       Cheesy

We live in strange times.


A time when Black is White, and White is Black.

A time when up is Down, and Down is Up.





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Wherever they go, [eventually, at the 'opportune moment'] moslems cause and instigate conflict with others [Koran 9.123]...
...and then moslems always portray themselves as the 'victims' of the wrongdoing and persecution, of others.


...


...





TODAY IT IS 2014

BACK IN 2012...

...
80 rockets, shells fired from Gaza Wednesday; Israeli leaders warn of ‘more extensive’ military response

http://www.timesofisrael.com/rocket-fire-from-gaza-resumes-after-brief-lull/



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Reply #57 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 10:45am
 
Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 2:45pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:21pm:
If you fire rockets into a country then expect some sh*t to come back.


Does that apply to Israel? So far Israel id the only one that has been killing people with rockets.



What about occupying a country? Should you expect anything to happen if you invade somebody's country?


Israel is acting stupidly. They are surrounded by 400 million Arabs, and what are they doing? They are persecuting Arabs.

Sooner or later those 400 million will be coming for revenge.



Grin Grin Grin

They'll have to stop persecuting and slaughtering themselves first. Roll Eyes
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Reply #58 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 4:25pm
 


Jews united against Zionism.



The People of Israel oppose the so-called "State of Israel" for four reasons:


FIRST -- The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People of Israel, as is explained above. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the glory of the creator was upon us, and likewise in the future when the glory of the creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him, then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service. However, a worldly state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substitutes another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation," and the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize a land and army. However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

SECOND -- Because of all of this and other reasons the Torah forbids us to end the exile and establish a state and army until the Holy One, blessed He, in His Glory and Essence will redeem us. This is forbidden even if the state is conducted according to the law of the Torah because arising from the exile itself is forbidden, and we are required to remain under the rule of the nations of the world, as is explained in the book VAYOEL MOSHE. If we transgress this injunction, He will bring upon us (may we be spared) terrible punishment.

THIRD -- Aside from arising from exile, all the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah. Because the foundation of the Faith and Torah of Israel is that the Torah was revealed from heaven, and there is reward for those who obey it and punishment for those who transgress it. The entire People of Israel is required to obey the Torah, and whoever doesn't want to, ceases to be part of the congregation of Israel.

FOURTH -- Aside from the fact that they themselves do not obey the Torah they do everything they can to prevent anyone they get under their power from fulfilling the commands of the Torah, the claims to freedom of religion are lies. They fight with all of their strength to destroy the Faith of Israel.


http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm
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Reply #59 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 6:55pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 2:49am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:07pm:
master Light,you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas


then stop encouraging him by calling him master .... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



But he is a master of spirituality but not politics or science.

forgiven

namaste


many blessings ,

you continue to copy syntax and style of post ,

then defame the one you emulate

that is p1ssweak , yet forgiven

namaste

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Don't be sad cause 1 out of 3 ain't bad.

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