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Reply #60 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:22pm
 
I would have to agree with this quote from Yadda

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Until Hamas stops targeting Israel's population centres with rockets from Gaza, Israel should continue to target 1/ Hamas leaders and members, 2/ military material/targets which are being shielded by sympathetic Hamas supporters, and 2/ continue to raze buildings in Gaza which are sheltering Hamas militants.


Not forgetting that the present conflict was caused by the murder of three teenagers. Yes that may very well have been an excuse for Israel to deploy into Gaza, but certainly the rocket attacks on Israel are now certainly exacerbating an already extremely tense and longstanding conflict.

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Reply #61 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:38pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 10:39am:
Hamas - the governing authority in Gaza - instigated, and continues its rocket fire into Israel, firing rockets against Israel's population centres.

It is Israel which is the injured party.


Hamas is the remorseless criminal - who is squealing at his punishment.



And the world community, largely, refuses to confront or to even acknowledge the wrongdoing of Hamas.

But rather, chooses to portray Hamas and Gazans as the victims of an Israeli assault.       Cheesy

We live in strange times.


A time when Black is White, and White is Black.

A time when up is Down, and Down is Up.




What next? I suppose soon you will be telling us that Palestinians invaded and occupied Israel in 1948. Why couldn't those palestinians have stayed in Europe and left those poor Israelis alone?
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Reply #62 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:42pm
 
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Isn't it a war crime to bomb, civilian homes and places of worship like the Israelis are doing?



It would be more of a crime for Israel to allow it's neighbour to launch missiles into civilian towns without response.
Hamas are using these places to fire rockets at Israel from.
As soon as the missiles are fired, the rocket crew scarper off.
If Israel want this to end, it will only been done by ground troops and armour going in and finishing Hamas off once and for all.
And they need to do this.
These new rockets used by the terrorists have a much longer range than the previously used Grad rockets and pose a far greater risk.
And like the Grad rocket, they are not 'home made', but illegally supplied by terror states.
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Reply #63 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:47pm
 
Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:38pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 10:39am:
Hamas - the governing authority in Gaza - instigated, and continues its rocket fire into Israel, firing rockets against Israel's population centres.

It is Israel which is the injured party.


Hamas is the remorseless criminal - who is squealing at his punishment.



And the world community, largely, refuses to confront or to even acknowledge the wrongdoing of Hamas.

But rather, chooses to portray Hamas and Gazans as the victims of an Israeli assault.       Cheesy

We live in strange times.


A time when Black is White, and White is Black.

A time when up is Down, and Down is Up.




What next? I suppose soon you will be telling us that Palestinians invaded and occupied Israel in 1948. Why couldn't those palestinians have stayed in Europe and left those poor Israelis alone?


I doubt it.
You forget there was a King of Israel over 4000 years ago, and the Jews ancient historical ties with the land cannot be refuted.
The term 'Palestinian' people is a twentieth century invention only.
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Reply #64 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:54pm
 
Israel have committed various atrocities and constantly violate international law and UN charters. In saying that, the elites behind the Palestinian cause are no saints. They are the recipient of excessive funding from both the Iranian and Syrian regimes, known for their ardent aversion towards Jews. Conversely, the Israeli government are the recipient of excessive funding from Western regimes, mostly the US, where Israeli lobby groups essentially dictate US foreign policy in Western Asia. Many of these groups also pursue a zealous disinclination towards Arabs.

The only innocent people here are the ordinary civilians, both of whom are Jews and Palestinians. They're victims of two aggressive governments, controlled by sociopathic elitists with their own iniquitous agendas. We should focus more on these actions of these governments, and not the respective ethnic and racial groups. Any 'invasion' will just worsen the conflict.
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Reply #65 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:54pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 6:36pm:


Israel Bombs Civilian Targets Linked to Hamas! UN Says 77% of Dead Are Civilians!

Published on Jul 12, 2014
Israel has ignored international appeals for a ceasefire and widened its range of Gaza bomb targets to include civilian institutions with suspected Hamas ties.
It announced it would hit Gaza with 'great force' after already carrying out more than 1,200 airstrikes this week.

UN: 77% OF DEAD IN GAZA ARE CIVILIANS


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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000008

https://twitter.com/Omar_Gaza/status/...

https://twitter.com/NewsRevo/status/4...
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Only 77%?
We need to remember that even the scum firing rockets into Israel are civilians, or at best Policeman.
Gaza police are the only Police force that routinely parades with shoulder held anti-aircraft missile launchers.
And given that the missile crews now have new toys such as long range missiles to kill Jews with, the IDF won't stop until much more damage to the Hamas terrorist capability has been achieved.
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Reply #66 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:56pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 6:55pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 2:49am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:07pm:
master Light,you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas


then stop encouraging him by calling him master .... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



But he is a master of spirituality but not politics or science.

forgiven

namaste


many blessings ,

you continue to copy syntax and style of post ,

then defame the one you emulate

that is p1ssweak , yet forgiven

namaste

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Don't be sad cause 1 out of 3 ain't bad.



yes you would be better served not being

such a copycat one may observe with forgiveness ,

and further Is ( isis ) Ra ( sun god ra ) el ( elohim )

has been usurped by khazars pretending

to be the jews they exterminated circa hitler ...

whom himself was an illegitimate rothschild

in whom angela merkel is his grand daughter

carry on regardless

namaste

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Re: Should Israel bomb/invade Gaza ?
Reply #67 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 8:36pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:56pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 6:55pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 2:49am:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:40pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:07pm:
master Light,you can not live a world deluded with your own ideas


then stop encouraging him by calling him master .... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



But he is a master of spirituality but not politics or science.

forgiven

namaste


many blessings ,

you continue to copy syntax and style of post ,

then defame the one you emulate

that is p1ssweak , yet forgiven

namaste

- : ) =





Don't be sad cause 1 out of 3 ain't bad.



yes you would be better served not being

such a copycat one may observe with forgiveness ,

and further Is ( isis ) Ra ( sun god ra ) el ( elohim )

has been usurped by khazars pretending

to be the jews they exterminated circa hitler ...

whom himself was an illegitimate rothschild

in whom angela merkel is his grand daughter

carry on regardless

namaste

- : ) =



Dear master Light,
But I only have zero out of 3 so you're doing a lot better.

may peace be with you

namaste
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Re: Should Israel bomb/invade Gaza ?
Reply #68 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 8:44pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:20pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:40pm:

Should Israel continue to bomb Gaza, and consider to invade Gaza - to punish Hamas ?




If Hamas cadres are launching rockets from Gaza, and those rockets are targeting Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and Sderot and other Israeli population centres, how should Israel respond ?

Is Israel justified in targeting Hamas cadres in Gaza, using air strikes, even if it is likely that some civilians in Gaza may be killed ?

If the people of Gaza want the punishing Israeli reprisals against Hamas rocket launches to stop, should the people of Gaza demand that Hamas stop rocketing Israeli cities ?

Or is that too much to ask ?       Cheesy

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Hamas is the elected governing authority in Gaza.

Hamas in Gaza, is democracy at work - among a moslem populace.

Hamas is recognised as a terror entity [by the world community], isn't it ?





Whoever kidnapped and murdered those three Jewish boys was planning just this kind of strife.  What everyone is now focusing on is the Jews hitting BACK.  Jews are not supposed to be hitting back. Jews are supposed to be going quietly. 
But with the creation of liberal, democratic Israel, that paradigm is over.   I am with Israel.



You've got to be joking. If a single Palestinian - eve a gang of Palestinians - kidnapped 3 Israeli boys, the entire Palestinian people must be punished collectively? You condemn the murder of three Israeli boys while condoning the indiscriminate mass slaughter of Palestinian children? Are they in any way to blame?

If you "stand with Israel" on this issue, you stand for barbarity and corruption. There is no greater hypocrisy than Israel.
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Reply #69 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 8:50pm
 
Annie,
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If you "stand with Israel" on this issue, you stand for barbarity and corruption.
There is no greater hypocrisy than Israel.



Come on Annie - they are all barbaric in the Middle East:

The Pallys , the Arabs, & the Jews.
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Reply #70 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 9:28pm
 


Fatal Defence? Majority of Israelis support airstrikes of Gaza
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Reply #71 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 10:03pm
 


14-07-2014: OVERCOMING THE BRAINWASHING OF THE MATRIX
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Reply #72 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 10:33pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

....If a single Palestinian - eve a gang of Palestinians - kidnapped 3 Israeli boys, the entire Palestinian people must be punished collectively?




Annie,

The current Israeli assault of Gaza is not a [direct] response to the kidnapping and murder of those three Jewish boys by - Hamas - cadres in Judea.

The current Israeli assault of Gaza is a response to the ongoing Hamas rocket fire into Israel.

It is a response to Gazans firing rockets against Israel's population centres.


Can't you see that ?



Annie,

QUESTION;
If at this moment, there were no [ongoing] Hamas rocket fire into Israel [against Israel's population centres] - do you believe that Israel would be able to justify assaulting Gaza - as it is doing ?i



Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

If you "stand with Israel" on this issue, you stand for barbarity and corruption.

There is no greater hypocrisy than Israel.



What about the hypocrisy of aggressors [moslem cadres on 'Jihad operations' who wantonly commit violence against those they wish to violently prey upon], who then portray themselves as 'victims' ?

AND WHAT ABOUT THEIR APOLOGISTS, WHO ACTIVELY ARE SUPPORTING THE VIOLENCE OF THE AGGRESSORS ?







Annie Anthrax wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 8:44pm:

You condemn the murder of three Israeli boys while condoning the indiscriminate mass slaughter of Palestinian children? Are they in any way to blame?



You yourself are swimming in your own hypocrisy Annie.

You know ISLAM, and you know what ISLAM justifies.



As per.....

And according to ISLAMIST logic,
the parents of Gaza, are responsible for the deaths of their own children.

As it was the parents of the Gazan children, that put their own children into a combat area - to be human shields - so as to support Jihadist 'operations' against the Israelis.


Quote:
There Can Be No End to Jihad'

Islamist Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, in an exclusive interview, discusses the rationale for 9/11, the Christians he most respects, and the Jesus he defends.
posted 11/05/2007
....Any weapons are legitimate in jihad. Even animals may be used as "suicide bombers"! It is not restricted by target—even Muslims or children, if used by the enemy as human shields, can be killed.
....Killing women and children never was and never will be part of the jihad in Islam, whether that be the women or children of the Muslims or non-Muslims. So if Chechen mujahedeen killed women and children in Beslan, I would condemn it. The children of non-Muslims, such as those at Beslan, who die in such circumstances go to Paradise.
....Women and children [i.e. boys under 15] or Muslims are not legitimate targets—nor are any noncombatants [clergy, disabled, insane, elderly, etc.]. Not even Israeli children or women, unless they serve in the military, which most do, or live in properties taken from dispossessed Palestinians (Muslim or Christian), which virtually all do.
However, if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation.


.....quoting a 'peace loving' moslem cleric, explaining that it is the non-moslems who are always to blame, when children [i.e. whether it be Jewish or moslem children] are killed in "Jihad operations" with moslems.

Google;
"There Can Be No End to Jihad"







THERE IS A DUPLICITY IN THE 'ARGUMENT', OF MOSLEM PROPAGANDA, WHENEVER INNOCENTS ARE KILLED BECAUSE OF CONFLICTS WITH MOSLEMS....

1/ Those who resist ISLAMISTS and who inadvertently kill innocents  = = "THEY, ARE MURDERERS OF INNOCENTS" - according to moslem propaganda.

2/ But if ISLAMISTS kill innocents  = = IT IS THE FAULT OF INFIDELS, BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING INNOCENTS INTO AN ENVIRONMENT OF CONFLICT [.....even when ISLAMISTS intentionally, or carelessly cause the deaths of those innocents]





But people like Annie only criticise the victims of "Jihad operations",
.....whenever the the intended victims of moslem violence, successfully fight back and are able to punish the moslems.iHey Annie, these people in Syria [image below] are your friends.

[They are the 'victims' whom people like yourself are defending];

IMAGE....
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The one holding the AK47 - Abdullah, from Sydney, on his holy-days.  Koran 9.123






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Reply #73 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 11:59pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 4:25pm:
Jews united against Zionism.


The People of Israel oppose the...."State of Israel"


Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel

the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. This is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.



Psalms 83:1
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2  For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3  They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.








Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 4:25pm:

the deeds of the Zionists are diametrically opposed to the Faith and the Torah.





Psalms 65:1
Praise waiteth for thee, O God, in Sion: and unto thee shall the vow be performed.
2  O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.
3  Iniquities prevail against me: as for our transgressions, thou shalt purge them away.
4  Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee, that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple.


Psalms 69:34
Let the heaven and earth praise him, the seas, and every thing that moveth therein.
35  For God will save Zion, and will build the cities of Judah: that they may dwell there, and have it in possession.
36  The seed also of his servants shall inherit it: and they that love his name shall dwell therein.


Psalms 87:1
His foundation is in the holy mountains.
The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.
3  Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah.


Psalms 110:2
The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.


Psalms 125:1
They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
2  As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the LORD is round about his people from henceforth even for ever.
3  For the rod of the wicked shall not rest upon the lot of the righteous; lest the righteous put forth their hands unto iniquity.
4  Do good, O LORD, unto those that be good, and to them that are upright in their hearts.
5  As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways, the LORD shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity: but peace shall be upon Israel.


Psalms 129:5
Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion.


Psalms 132:13
For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.


Psalms 147:10
He delighteth not in the strength of the horse: he taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man.
11  The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.
12  Praise the LORD, O Jerusalem; praise thy God, O Zion.i


Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 4:25pm:

The entire People of Israel is required to obey the Torah, and whoever doesn't want to, ceases to be part of the congregation of Israel.




Where does Torah lead us ?

Where was Torah intended to lead Israel ?


Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?


Psalms 50:7
Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.
8  I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me.
9  I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds.
10  For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
11  I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
12  If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
13  Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
14  Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:
15  And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me


Isaiah 42:19
Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant?


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Re: Should Israel bomb/invade Gaza ?
Reply #74 - Jul 15th, 2014 at 11:36am
 
Israel is annihilating the Palestinians.
its like Germany playing brazil.

the Palestinians need to work on their defence
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