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Reply #90 - Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:44pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 6:03pm:
darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

"The Jews produce some of the finest military equipment, the Arabs buy AK47 and RPG from the commies, do you see the difference here when it comes to military?"


Yes. The israelis are extraordinarily more powerful than their counterparts. 

That's why the rockets sent from gaza have killed nobody and the missiles sent from israel have killed 175.





It is Allah's will.


Ask a moslem, darkhall67.

The moslem will tell you; 'Nothing can happen on earth, except it has Allah's blessing.'

The Israelis are killing Gazans [who continue to rocket Israeli population centres] - COZ ALLAH WANTS MOSLEMS TO DIE FOR HIM.

AND THE ISRAELIS ARE DOING ALLAH'S WILL!!!!            Cheesy            





Honest!!!!         Grin



Psalms 37:28
For the LORD loveth judgment,
and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
29  The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
30  The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.


Allah is killing the moslems.

Coz Allah - HATES THE MOSLEMS!          Cool




SUCK IT UP!



Great advertisement for your religion yadda.




And you wonder why atheism is growing.
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Reply #91 - Jul 15th, 2014 at 10:24pm
 
The Atheistic religion is growing and getting angrier because these are the last days
as Prophesied in the bible. I don't think anyone really wonders why atheism is growing.
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Reply #92 - Jul 15th, 2014 at 10:26pm
 
darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:42pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
greenserenity wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:54pm:
Israel have committed various atrocities and constantly violate international law and UN charters.


A nation defending itself is not committing atrocities.
It's defending itself.
And if a UN charter expected this country to hand over land to an aggressor to appease them, or to do something that was clearly detrimental to the Australian public, then I would support our governments right to ignore the UN.
If the UN feel so strong about this issue, they should send in the bluecaps to Gaza.



If a UN charter decreed that a part of this country will hereafter be the homeland of a religion (lets say scientology) and that any and every scientologist in the world can move there and anyone already living there will be driven out of their homes and dispossessed how would you feel?


I mean yeah hell such a large piece of land  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #93 - Jul 15th, 2014 at 11:38pm
 
Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 10:24pm:
I don't think.


No argument.


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Reply #94 - Jul 15th, 2014 at 11:52pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 11:38pm:
Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 10:24pm:
I don't think.


No argument.




At the end of the day you're just a sad troll groggery .. Just ignore him.
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Reply #95 - Jul 16th, 2014 at 12:14am
 
darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:37pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 5:44pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 1:46pm:

Israel supplies Gaza with electricity, the jews should pull the plug IMO..

Quote:
Seventy thousand Gazans were in the dark on sunday night after a Hamas rocket hit a power line that supplies electricity,It is not clear when the Israel electric company workers will be able to repair the system.
www.beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/07/hamas-fires-rocket-and-destroys-thei...





LOL



OWN-DUMB-ASS goal!

Is it any surprise, that ISLAM has never produced an Einstein ?




Moslems don't care who they kill, as long as they are allowed to continue to kill someone for the cause of Allah.

Can you imagine how many moslems, moslems have killed - for the cause of Allah ?       Cheesy




It's almost as if they are subhuman and don't deserve to live isn't it?





darkhall67,

Hamas are lying, treacherous, murdering criminals, imo.

You, and others may look away and deny it.

It is still true, imo.i
darkhall67,

I'm not making this stuff up.

A moslem, is a moslem.

A moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

A moslem is a wanna-be-murderer - waiting for an 'opportunity' to 'serve' his religion.

ISLAM requires that, of a moslem.

ISLAM teaches the moslem, that he who kill infidels is doing 'good works', in Allah's cause.


darkhall67,

You, denying those truths, does not make any of them untrue.




darkhall67,

Jihad [religious fighting in Allah's cause] is the pinnacle of ISLAM.

Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam








FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....

Quote:

May 20, 2014
KUALA LUMPUR: The concept of “moderate Muslim” was invented by “enemies of Islam”



.....Suriani Sudi, the deputy chief of the group’s women’s wing, urged Muslims to be uncompromising when defending their religion.

Suriani, also a lecturer at Kolej Universiti Islam Antarabangsa Selangor, said it is unfair to label Muslims who are simply defending their religion as “extremists.”




http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/malaysia-muslim-leader-says-term-moderate-musl...iFROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....

Quote:
Western policies are to blame, says Livingstone
By Andrew Sparrow, Political Correspondent
20/07/2005
Ken Livingstone yesterday blamed western policies for contributing to the spread of the extremist beliefs that inspired the London bombers.

......In a separate move, Anjem Choudary, the UK leader of the militant Islamist group al-Muhajiroun, interviewed for BBC Radio 4's Today programme said.....
"The British Government wants to...........divide the Muslim community into moderates and extremists, whereas this classification doesn't exist in Islam," he said.

"Either you are a practising Muslim or a non-practising one....."



Google;
ANJEM "Either you are a practising Muslim or a non-practising one"





FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....

Quote:

"Don’t call me radical. Don’t call me moderate. Call me Muslim."
.....We do not have “radical” and “moderate” in Islam. Muslims are Muslims.
.....Unfortunately those who follow the Quran and practise their religion are called radical Muslims or extremist or Islamist or fundamentalist. And those who only carry the name of Muslim and Islam without following the orders of Allah in the Holy Quran are called moderate Muslims or understanding Muslims or open minded Muslims!



google





FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....

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Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam
By Duncan Gardham

01/05/2007
In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".


The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims. Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."




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Re: Should Israel bomb/invade Gaza ?
Reply #96 - Jul 16th, 2014 at 12:22am
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 12:14am:

darkhall67,

I'm not making this stuff up.

A moslem, is a moslem.

A moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

A moslem is a wanna-be-murderer - waiting for an 'opportunity' to 'serve' his religion.

ISLAM requires that, of a moslem.

ISLAM teaches the moslem, that he who kill infidels is doing 'good works', in Allah's cause.






"What makes Allah happy?
Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."


Please watch this YT...
Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims
         goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0







Quote:

ISLAM teaches the moslem, that he who kill infidels is doing 'good works', in Allah's cause.




As per the directives of Allah;


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter?...."
Koran 9.38,39



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Reply #97 - Jul 16th, 2014 at 12:31am
 
darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:42pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
greenserenity wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:54pm:
Israel have committed various atrocities and constantly violate international law and UN charters.


A nation defending itself is not committing atrocities.
It's defending itself.
And if a UN charter expected this country to hand over land to an aggressor to appease them, or to do something that was clearly detrimental to the Australian public, then I would support our governments right to ignore the UN.
If the UN feel so strong about this issue, they should send in the bluecaps to Gaza.



If a UN charter decreed that a part of this country will hereafter be the homeland of a religion (lets say scientology) and that any and every scientologist in the world can move there and anyone already living there will be driven out of their homes and dispossessed how would you feel?



Your assertion is a false statement.

Moslems are murdering moslems, who are selling their homes and properties to Jews.



darkhall67,

You are an apologist for liars and murderers.

What is new ?

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Reply #98 - Jul 16th, 2014 at 1:05am
 
darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:44pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 6:03pm:
darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

"The Jews produce some of the finest military equipment, the Arabs buy AK47 and RPG from the commies, do you see the difference here when it comes to military?"


Yes. The israelis are extraordinarily more powerful than their counterparts. 

That's why the rockets sent from gaza have killed nobody and the missiles sent from israel have killed 175.





It is Allah's will.


Ask a moslem, darkhall67.

The moslem will tell you; 'Nothing can happen on earth, except it has Allah's blessing.'

The Israelis are killing Gazans [who continue to rocket Israeli population centres] - COZ ALLAH WANTS MOSLEMS TO DIE FOR HIM.

AND THE ISRAELIS ARE DOING ALLAH'S WILL!!!!            Cheesy            





Honest!!!!         Grin



Psalms 37:28
For the LORD loveth judgment,
and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
29  The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
30  The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.


Allah is killing the moslems.

Coz Allah - HATES THE MOSLEMS!          Cool




SUCK IT UP!



Great advertisement for your religion yadda.



darkhall67,

It is not 'my' religion.





John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.


John 18:37
....Jesus answered...To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.







Everyday i make mistakes as i travel through this life.

The mercy of God, is available for those who are sorry for their mistakes.

But not for liars, nor for those who remain rebellious and unrepentant.



Isaiah 48:10
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.


Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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Reply #99 - Jul 16th, 2014 at 1:10am
 
darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:44pm:

Great advertisement for your religion yadda.

And you wonder why atheism is growing.





Those who hate the light, do not come to it.

They turn away from it.

Their choice.


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Reply #100 - Jul 16th, 2014 at 1:13am
 
Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 10:26pm:
darkhall67 wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 9:42pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 15th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
greenserenity wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:54pm:
Israel have committed various atrocities and constantly violate international law and UN charters.


A nation defending itself is not committing atrocities.
It's defending itself.
And if a UN charter expected this country to hand over land to an aggressor to appease them, or to do something that was clearly detrimental to the Australian public, then I would support our governments right to ignore the UN.
If the UN feel so strong about this issue, they should send in the bluecaps to Gaza.



If a UN charter decreed that a part of this country will hereafter be the homeland of a religion (lets say scientology) and that any and every scientologist in the world can move there and anyone already living there will be driven out of their homes and dispossessed how would you feel?


I mean yeah hell such a large piece of land  Cheesy Cheesy





IMAGE.....
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"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have take our land, and we are a homeless people.
WAIL! WAIL! WAIL!

Those dastardly Zionists!!

We want our land back."

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Reply #101 - Jul 16th, 2014 at 1:40am
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 16th, 2014 at 12:14am:

darkhall67,

I'm not making this stuff up.

A moslem, is a moslem.

A moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

A moslem is a wanna-be-murderer - waiting for an 'opportunity' to 'serve' his religion.

ISLAM requires that, of a moslem.





In unguarded moments, moslems [addressing moslems] do expose their malevolent intent - towards those who are not moslems....


e.g.
A RESPECTED MOSLEM SCHOLAR URGING MOSLEMS, IN THE UK, TO MAINTAIN A DECEITFUL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK NON-MOSLEM COMMUNITY, FOR THE PURPOSE OF MOSLEMS STRENGTHENING A MALICIOUS AND VIOLENT INTENT [on the moslem part, towards those who are not moslems] #1,

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece







IMAGE...
...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:
How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong


"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...







As per the directives of Allah, within ISLAM's own foundation texts;


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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Reply #102 - Jul 16th, 2014 at 7:07am
 
Why I'm on the brink of burning my Israeli passport


I can no longer stand by while Israeli politicians like Ayelet Shaked condone the deaths of innocent Palestinian women and children


She is young. She is pretty. She is a university graduate and a computer engineer. She is also an Israeli Parliamentarian - and the reason why I am on the brink of burning my Israeli passport. Because behind that wide-eyed innocent face lurks the Angel of Death.

Ayelet Shaked represents the far-right Jewish Home party in the Knesset. This means she is well to the right of Benyamin Netanyahu, just in case you thought such a thing was not possible.

On Monday she quoted this on her Facebook page:  “...They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers...They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”

A week earlier, just before 17-year-old Mohammed Abu Khudair was snatched and burned alive, Shaked wrote: “This is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. The reality is that this is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people...”

So even before the boy died horribly she declared him to be the enemy, and afterwards, without any apparent hint of guilt or remorse, she was calling for the deaths of innocent women and their unborn babies.

She made me think about my mother’s sister Klara and her three small children who were living in Krakow in 1939 when the Germans invaded. They decided that the Jews – all Jews – were the enemy and had to be eliminated, not least the women and the little snakes they were raising. “Why? Ask them – they started it”, as the Nazis would say if asked.

I never met Klara or her children who had perished by 1942. I did meet my uncle Romek, who survived by working in Oskar Schindler's factory, and his wife Yetti who survived because she spoke good German and was able to pretend she was a fine German woman who had kicked out her Polish Jewish husband, as she smiled prettily at every Nazi she came across.
My father’s brother Shmuel and his young family also perished before I was born, taken in Holland, to where they had escaped from Berlin, to the same camp Anne Frank died in.

I know what it is to have been helpless victims, living and dying under racist oppressors’ boots, and I know that today’s Israelis are no longer the victims but the perpetrators of the current crisis...the fact remains that it is Israel which has the tanks, bombers, artillery, nuclear warheads and missile defences of Goliath, while ordinary Gazans had nothing a week ago and even less today, as even hospitals and schools were bombed.

Shaked got what she wanted: the death toll in Gaza is nearing 100
200
, one in four being children. Hundreds more have serious injuries in a place where hospitals have also been bombed and medical essentials are running out...

...And, as the bombs rain on Gaza, Israeli teens have taken to tweeting scantily-clad selfies alongside their political sentiments.  In two now deleted tweets, one wrote “Death to all of you Arabs you transfag”, while another proclaimed “Arabs may you be paralyzed & die with great suffering!”  Another teen simply tweeted “Death to these bugger*** Arabs”, and attached a photo of themselves pouting alongside it.

Seeing these angelic faces of evil spouting such genocidal rhetoric, I pick up my Israeli passport and a box of matches. “Not in my name, people. Not in my name!”

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Reply #103 - Jul 16th, 2014 at 7:12am
 
As an ex-soldier in the Israeli Defense Forces, I've seen how shockingly we treat Palestinians


There are moral red lines. Why do we keep crossing them?


I only knew Gaza from the stories.  It was the military zone for which the Givate Brigade was responsible, but we all knew the stories about how they managed to kill several militants in one ambush. Honestly, we were a bit jealous. I was drafted into the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) at the end of the Second Intifada into a special operations unit of the paratrooper brigade. From the start of my service I knew that Nablus and Jenin would be the areas for which we were responsible. Child’s play, seemingly, compared to the stories that came out of Gaza – but my child’s play. I’ll never forget the first time that I was shot at, the first Palestinian corpse I ever saw, and the fear and adrenaline during my first military operation.

My first mission involved the seizure of a Palestinian home. I had never before had the opportunity to be inside a Palestinian home, and my squad was surprised for a moment by the fact that within the home lived an entire family – spanning three generations. We woke everyone up, and took over the house.

We put everyone in one room - women, men, children, and the elderly. One of the guys was stationed at the door to ensure that they didn’t get out. In the meantime, we took care of our business. I remember asking myself: what do they think about all of this? What would I do if soldiers broke into my home? But I immediately repressed these questions and carried on with the mission. As time passed, fear turned into boredom, adrenaline stabilized, and my doubts about the extent of the operational logic and its justification would return to gnaw at me. But the next day there were already new operations. This was our daily routine, and as a result, the next time I didn’t really think about how the family whose home we entered felt. My personal red moral line blurred very quickly. Every time I would tell myself – this is still okay. But it’s in the nature of red lines to move along an imaginary scale. I wasn’t bothered when we destroyed entire homes during search operations, and when my squad accidentally shot an innocent woman, and we quickly buried the incident and moved on. Today I know that my ability to distinguish whether a particular action crosses the line, didn’t really exist back then.

What happened to me is happening to the IDF and to Israeli society at large. During Operation Cast Lead I had been a civilian active with Breaking the Silence for over a year, but I was still shocked by the incidents I heard had occurred there. I remember a friend who had taken part in Cast Lead. He returned shaken by the fact that homes of “Hamas members” were deemed legitimate targets for bombing without any relation to the risk they posed to our soldiers in the field. That was the first time he had encountered such orders during his military service. This is what he testified:

"In the morning we identified four men, aged 25 - 40, with keffiyehs, standing outside the house talking. It was suspect. We reported it to intelligence, specifying the house they were about to enter. Intelligence passed this on to the Shabak (Israeli Security Agency) who reported that this was known as a Hamas activist’s house. This is automatically acted upon. I don’t remember what we used - whether it was a helicopter or something else, but the house was bombed while these guys were inside. A woman ran out of the house holding a child, and escaped southward. That is to say, there had been innocent people inside."

The same red line that was crossed during Operation Cast Lead has become the starting line for Operation Protective Edge. Homes of “Hamas members” were added to the IDF’s long list of potential targets in the Gaza Strip.

The politicians that send us to perform these tasks don’t even pretend to promise hope for a better future. Just further use of force and violence. Our doubts about logic and justice don’t even interest us anymore, as our red moral lines are constantly moving in the face of our reality - much like mine during my military service. 150 killed in Gaza in the first six days of the operation, the vast majority of whom were civilians, and a quarter of whom were children. Millions of Israeli and Palestinian people live in existential fear that a rocket or a missile will fall on their heads. The end of one bout of violence merely sets an alarm for the next.

The red line at which we stopped during Operation Cast Lead (2009), is the same line from which we commenced Operation Pillar of Defense (2011). The point at which we stopped during Pillar of Defense is the same place from which we’ve started Protective Edge. What will our next red line be? And when will we cross that one too? Only we can answer that question. It depends on us, and what we allow others to do in our name.

Avner Gvaryahu served in the IDF as a sergeant in special forces from November 2004-November, 2007

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Re: Should Israel bomb/invade Gaza ?
Reply #104 - Jul 16th, 2014 at 8:40am
 

LATEST NEWS FROM GAZA;

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Israel approves Egyptian ceasefire proposal







"Oh!!!! The wicked Zionists are murdering our children!!!!!

PLEASE HELP US, PLEASE HELP US!!!!

Make the Israelis stop killing our children!!!!!"


Google;
hamas rejects gaza ceasefire





Jihad [religious fighting in Allah's cause] is the pinnacle of ISLAM.

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jihad - is the pinnacle of islam


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