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Reply #15 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:55pm
 
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:47pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:31pm:
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Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:00pm:
[quote author=Laugh_till_you_cry link=1405132725/0#0 date=1405132725]Is this the future as prices continually outstrip wages growth of middle class. I contend that this problem started when Australian dollar fell to around US$ 0.5 back in the late 80s through the 90s. Prices went up then and prices are sticky. They don't go down when the A$ rose again. ...


Who cares what you 'contend'?

When have any of your posts had any grounding in a realistic society or scenario? You're a scare-monger and an emotional parasite.You're beginning to sound remarkably like my second-last ex-wife!

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Reply #16 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:56pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:55pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:47pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:31pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:00pm:
[quote author=Laugh_till_you_cry link=1405132725/0#0 date=1405132725]Is this the future as prices continually outstrip wages growth of middle class. I contend that this problem started when Australian dollar fell to around US$ 0.5 back in the late 80s through the 90s. Prices went up then and prices are sticky. They don't go down when the A$ rose again. ...


Who cares what you 'contend'?

When have any of your posts had any grounding in a realistic society or scenario? You're a scare-monger and an emotional parasite.You're beginning to sound remarkably like my second-last ex-wife!

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Reply #17 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 7:01am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:16pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:55pm:
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Hardly rich when you compare income/costs of living.


We come out pretty close to the top. Doesn't stop people whinging of course. Our lavish lifestyle is hard to maintain. Life's tough at the top, you know.


If it wasn't for oil, gas, iron ore and coal Australian life would be very agrarian as it was before the 1950s living off the sheep's back.


We would be a bit poorer, but we would simply focus on other industries. The mining sector is actually harming our industrial sector by paying such high wages and pulling all the good people away. Without mining those same good people would accept lower wages in a more conventional industrial setting. You are creating a false dichotomy between farming and mining. We can compete in other industries too, it's just that there is more money in mining, so that is what people choose to do. Maybe not car assembly or aircraft carriers that require a certain economy of scale we cannot recreate (or government handouts), but there are plenty of supporting or alternative industries that we can compete in - and do, despite the high wages.
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Reply #18 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:22am
 
Australian food may be more expensive, but in a strange irony its too expensive to grow food here as well.
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Reply #19 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 7:58pm
 
miketrees wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 8:22am:
Australian food may be more expensive, but in a strange irony its too expensive to grow food here as well.


The writing is on the wall. Australian food processing industry is on the verge of becoming extinct due to high cost of production. With the industry will fall the growers because the only market left will be the fresh fruit and vegetables market which will be very seasonal. Bye bye Birdseye.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/food-processing/4737622

"...US food processor Simplot is threatening to close two of its Australian frozen vegetable plants. The company says the cost of manufacturing in Australia is simply too high. Is our food manufacturing sector going the way of the auto industry? Madeleine Genner investigates.

While the Australian manufacturing industry has had plenty of attention of late—with Ford last month closing two car plants and axing over 1000 jobs—the next sector to suffer the twin blows of a high Australian dollar and cheap offshore labour may be food manufacturing.

Simplot, a major frozen vegetable processor, has announced it may have to close two of its Australian plants—and fire 325 workers.

The US food giant produces products for household brands like Edgell, Birdseye, and even Chiko rolls. But Simplot says its frozen vegetable plants in Bathurst in NSW, and Devonport in Tasmania, simply can't compete with cheap imports.

And Australian vegetable growers are calling on the government to do more.

Andrew Craigie is a vegetable farmer from the north-west coast of Tasmania. He grows peas, beans and potatoes. Some are for the fresh market, but a lot of his produce goes to the frozen vegetable processor Simplot.

‘It’s a horrible feeling,’ he says of the announcement that Simplot may close. ‘These sorts of announcements destroy everybody’s confidence to invest in future technologies to make themselves more efficient, to stay on world’s best practice and scale of producing.'

We can’t wait till 2025. The Australian Food Processing Industry is struggling to stay viable right now under the demands of increasing costs including labour, electricity, freight—a whole range of factors are impacting on our ability to actually process food here in Australia, and if we’re not careful we’ll be relying on imported foods. And that brings with it a whole range of concerns in itself.

ANDREW WHITE, AUSVEG
‘We’d have to re-evaluate our whole business of how we could actually survive, adjust, diversify. It would be a huge problem to anyone in our position.’

Mr Craigie says the frozen food market is vital for farms like his—Simplot Devonport processes 45,000 tonnes of vegetables for the frozen market each year, and dumping that produce on the fresh food market would create a catastrophic glut.

At this stage Simplot isn't definitely closing its doors—but the company's frozen vegetable plants in Bathurst in NSW and Devonport in Tasmania have been given two months to turn their fortunes around.

In a statement, the company said the threat of closure was due to ‘unsatisfactory financial returns arising from a very competitive food industry environment and unsustainably high costs associated with manufacturing in Australia.’

The two plants employ almost 500 permanent and casual staff and, for the moment, Simplot's Devonport manager Richard Hays is remaining upbeat.

‘I think from my perspective we want to do everything—and it’s my commitment to the people here to do everything we can—to be as cost-competitive as possible,’ he says. ‘And I think we’ll understand that over the coming months—what that looks like.’

But the company faces an uphill battle. Right now, the Tasmanian facility processes a range of frozen vegetables while the NSW plant is a major processor of sweet corn.

Both are under pressure due to cheap imports, and Australia's peak vegetable body AusVeg wants the federal government to do more..."
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Re: Australia food more expensive than other countries
Reply #20 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 11:20am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
Is this the future as prices continually outstrip wages growth of middle class. I contend that this problem started when Australian dollar fell to around US$ 0.5 back in the late 80s through the 90s. Prices went up then and prices are sticky. They don't go down when the A$ rose again.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/why-is-food-so-expensive-in-australia-comp...

"...According to Numbeo, a website where users contribute data from around the world, grocery prices in the US were 24.85 per cent lower than in Australia. In Singapore they were 18.52 per cent lower, in the UK 12.25 per cent lower, France 9.67 per cent lower and Japan 9.47 per cent lower..."

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/07/10/1229684/016234-food-prices-deskt...


The problem really starts with the emergence of the 'Aussie' in the seventies. Nationalism (all Aussies are nationalists) is what helps force prices higher by for one thing preventing us  challenging them. To question prices is to "whine" or "whinge" both forbidden activities in Aussieland, as they amount to, in effect, criticism of nation. Then there is the xenophobia and outright racism of the Aussie, the cultural cringe forced rejection by many potential immigrants, that has kept the population small, resulting in poor economies of scale, the high prices that result leaving us easy targets for cheap imports, exacerbating the situation further by causing Aussie businesses to contract and charge even higher prices. Add to that the stigma associated with coming from convict ancestors is suppressed by 'demanding' a high price is paid: The 'I'm paying a high price for this, I can't possibly be a convict', thing. 

But expecting the poor dumb Aussie, with his love for high prices and things British etc, is going to change, is completely unrealistic. The answer is for us 'Ostralians' to lead by example. Establish a movement, create a party, then seize the balance of power. Get rid of the 'Aussie' by 'transporting' him to oblivion. He has served his God given purpose to keep the population low, the land undeveloped, so that we in effect can now start with a blank canvas, and paint a truly beautiful picture. Keeping in mind it is the year 2014, the potential for building a great nation starting now, as opposed to one that came about naturally, the USA for example, is much greater. (End of rant).
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Reply #21 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:37pm
 
GA wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 11:20am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
Is this the future as prices continually outstrip wages growth of middle class. I contend that this problem started when Australian dollar fell to around US$ 0.5 back in the late 80s through the 90s. Prices went up then and prices are sticky. They don't go down when the A$ rose again.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/why-is-food-so-expensive-in-australia-comp...

"...According to Numbeo, a website where users contribute data from around the world, grocery prices in the US were 24.85 per cent lower than in Australia. In Singapore they were 18.52 per cent lower, in the UK 12.25 per cent lower, France 9.67 per cent lower and Japan 9.47 per cent lower..."

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/07/10/1229684/016234-food-prices-deskt...


The problem really starts with the emergence of the 'Aussie' in the seventies. Nationalism (all Aussies are nationalists) is what helps force prices higher by for one thing preventing us  challenging them. To question prices is to "whine" or "whinge" both forbidden activities in Aussieland, as they amount to, in effect, criticism of nation. Then there is the xenophobia and outright racism of the Aussie, the cultural cringe forced rejection by many potential immigrants, that has kept the population small, resulting in poor economies of scale, the high prices that result leaving us easy targets for cheap imports, exacerbating the situation further by causing Aussie businesses to contract and charge even higher prices. Add to that the stigma associated with coming from convict ancestors is suppressed by 'demanding' a high price is paid: The 'I'm paying a high price for this, I can't possibly be a convict', thing. 

But expecting the poor dumb Aussie, with his love for high prices and things British etc, is going to change, is completely unrealistic. The answer is for us 'Ostralians' to lead by example. Establish a movement, create a party, then seize the balance of power. Get rid of the 'Aussie' by 'transporting' him to oblivion. He has served his God given purpose to keep the population low, the land undeveloped, so that we in effect can now start with a blank canvas, and paint a truly beautiful picture. Keeping in mind it is the year 2014, the potential for building a great nation starting now, as opposed to one that came about naturally, the USA for example, is much greater. (End of rant).


Perhaps this is Darwinism at work. The poor dumb Aussie will be displaced by the intellectual discerning price conscious immigrant. There is no doubt that the level of intellectuals and professionals among immigrants is higher than the general dumb Aussie population.

Take denizens Mahdi and Hermoine for example. Yes, please, please take them away. Export them to UK and increase the average IQ of both countries.
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Reply #22 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:44pm
 
Our prices are high because our wages so high. If there are locals working on it, it will cost more than a direct import because of this. This is not a problem - it is a symptom of getting paid too much. There are worse problems to have.
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Reply #23 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:44pm:
Our prices are high because our wages so high. If there are locals working on it, it will cost more than a direct import because of this. This is not a problem - it is a symptom of getting paid too much. There are worse problems to have.


How much was that fish per kg?
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Reply #24 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:58pm
 
One thing that escapes you all. Australian food is much higher standard than most other countries.
Over here, in the US, the soils are worked out - impoverished. To many imported weeds, bugs, fungus's. Nothing grows here without sprays of fungicide, insecticide, herbicide and whatever.
You would pay a very high premium here for the quality of Australian fruit and vegetables.
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Reply #25 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 2:40pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:37pm:
GA wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 11:20am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
Is this the future as prices continually outstrip wages growth of middle class. I contend that this problem started when Australian dollar fell to around US$ 0.5 back in the late 80s through the 90s. Prices went up then and prices are sticky. They don't go down when the A$ rose again.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/why-is-food-so-expensive-in-australia-comp...

"...According to Numbeo, a website where users contribute data from around the world, grocery prices in the US were 24.85 per cent lower than in Australia. In Singapore they were 18.52 per cent lower, in the UK 12.25 per cent lower, France 9.67 per cent lower and Japan 9.47 per cent lower..."

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/07/10/1229684/016234-food-prices-deskt...


The problem really starts with the emergence of the 'Aussie' in the seventies. Nationalism (all Aussies are nationalists) is what helps force prices higher by for one thing preventing us  challenging them. To question prices is to "whine" or "whinge" both forbidden activities in Aussieland, as they amount to, in effect, criticism of nation. Then there is the xenophobia and outright racism of the Aussie, the cultural cringe forced rejection by many potential immigrants, that has kept the population small, resulting in poor economies of scale, the high prices that result leaving us easy targets for cheap imports, exacerbating the situation further by causing Aussie businesses to contract and charge even higher prices. Add to that the stigma associated with coming from convict ancestors is suppressed by 'demanding' a high price is paid: The 'I'm paying a high price for this, I can't possibly be a convict', thing. 

But expecting the poor dumb Aussie, with his love for high prices and things British etc, is going to change, is completely unrealistic. The answer is for us 'Ostralians' to lead by example. Establish a movement, create a party, then seize the balance of power. Get rid of the 'Aussie' by 'transporting' him to oblivion. He has served his God given purpose to keep the population low, the land undeveloped, so that we in effect can now start with a blank canvas, and paint a truly beautiful picture. Keeping in mind it is the year 2014, the potential for building a great nation starting now, as opposed to one that came about naturally, the USA for example, is much greater. (End of rant).


Perhaps this is Darwinism at work. The poor dumb Aussie will be displaced by the intellectual discerning price conscious immigrant. There is no doubt that the level of intellectuals and professionals among immigrants is higher than the general dumb Aussie population.


The path of least resistance, as far as migration goes, would be a massive influx of 'immigrants' in the form of an invasion. This is inevitable if we look at ourselves as being inseparable from the rest of physical reality. What I mean is if there is a low population pressure, here, and a higher one to our north, then it's only a matter of time before it equalizes. Populate or perish, sums it up.  With out a change in political direction, we are doomed as a nation in other words. A third wave of immigration is badly needed. But first we have to make preparations, we don't want, for example, another 'Asian problem' ( the problems faced by Asian boat people, when they where jammed into already overfilled cities, in the 70's and on). Plans for new cities have to be drawn up, something that is nowhere near as simple as it sounds, and something that can't be down by existing parties (they've 'all' been around for long enough, proof that they're incapable of making the changes needed).

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Reply #26 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 5:45pm
 
Richdude wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:58pm:
One thing that escapes you all. Australian food is much higher standard than most other countries.
Over here, in the US, the soils are worked out - impoverished. To many imported weeds, bugs, fungus's. Nothing grows here without sprays of fungicide, insecticide, herbicide and whatever.
You would pay a very high premium here for the quality of Australian fruit and vegetables.


What a load of male bovine anus product.
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Reply #27 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:38pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 5:45pm:
Richdude wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:58pm:
One thing that escapes you all. Australian food is much higher standard than most other countries.
Over here, in the US, the soils are worked out - impoverished. To many imported weeds, bugs, fungus's. Nothing grows here without sprays of fungicide, insecticide, herbicide and whatever.
You would pay a very high premium here for the quality of Australian fruit and vegetables.


What a load of male bovine anus product.

Says the backward, no idea guy with ...er... no idea.

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Reply #28 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 8:10pm
 
ex abusu non arguitur ad usum / from the abuse no argument is drawn against the use

an eagle does not catch flies  &  we do not eat to live but live to eat

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Reply #29 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 8:21pm
 
fantasy island wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 8:10pm:
ex abusu non arguitur ad usum / from the abuse no argument is drawn against the use

an eagle does not catch flies  &  we do not eat to live but live to eat

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yes...

Australia is one of the fattest nations in the world... so food can't be that expensive..

in fact..

I'd say its near rock bottom in price.. any lower and the farmer would be sowing their crops back into the ground...

we have enough competition in Australia to ensure prices are kept to a minimum...
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