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Re: Child's assault may prompt revenge: court
Reply #45 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 7:59pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:42am:

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:07pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 9:34pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 5:39pm:

Regardless of his ethnicity, the courts need to stop protecting these slime balls.

In fact, they should have a half hour show on tele every week who's sole purpose is to out these slime ...

Encouraging vigilante action before a case is even heard is a terrible, terrible idea.

I'm not encouraging anything ... I merely don't think we should protect them .

What, we shouldn't protect people accused of a crime?

we shouldn't protect child abusers .....

We should protect everyone at risk, but in this case you mean accused abuser.

listen, if they arrest someone for suspicion of robbery, they release his name, if they arrest someone for fighting, they release his name, if they arrest somone for streaking, they release his name almost every other crime and the name is released BEFORE it even goes to court ... before guilt has been determined ...

why treat child abusers differently? the courts needs to get their priorities right and protect the kids, not the perps.

Innocent until proven guilty!

I have no problem with that, but that's not how the system works ........why have different rules for all the other crimes? if it's just about any other crime, they have no problem releasing names .... child abusers however are special ... they need protection Cheesy

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Re: Child's assault may prompt revenge: court
Reply #46 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:53pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:42am:

listen, if they arrest someone for suspicion of robbery, they release his name, if they arrest someone for fighting, they release his name, if they arrest somone for streaking, they release his name almost every other crime and the name is released BEFORE it even goes to court ... before guilt has been determined ...

why treat child abusers differently? the courts needs to get their priorities right and protect the kids, not the perps.

It's about risk of retribution based on accusation.

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Re: Child's assault may prompt revenge: court
Reply #47 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:23pm

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:42am:

listen, if they arrest someone for suspicion of robbery, they release his name, if they arrest someone for fighting, they release his name, if they arrest somone for streaking, they release his name almost every other crime and the name is released BEFORE it even goes to court ... before guilt has been determined ...

why treat child abusers differently? the courts needs to get their priorities right and protect the kids, not the perps.

It's about risk of retribution based on accusation.

what about the risk to other kids of releasing a possible child abuser into the community where he has opportunity to repeat the crime on another kid? Why are risks to him more important than risks to the greater community?

I'm happy to have one rule for all .... name them, don't name them, I don't really have a preference ... just make up your mind ... to make an exception to protect child abusers in my books is simply not acceptable

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Re: Child's assault may prompt revenge: court
Reply #48 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:42pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

what about the risk to other kids of releasing a possible child abuser into the community where he has opportunity to repeat the crime on another kid? Why are risks to him more important than risks to the greater community?

That is what the court system is there to determine. Risks if bail should or shouldn't be granted. It's not up to vigilante mobs.

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

I'm happy to have one rule for all .... name them, don't name them, I don't really have a preference ... just make up your mind ... to make an exception to protect child abusers in my books is simply not acceptable

The rule is to not name them if there is a reasonable risk of vigilante actions, I think that is both fair and equal.

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Re: Child's assault may prompt revenge: court
Reply #49 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:08pm

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:42pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

what about the risk to other kids of releasing a possible child abuser into the community where he has opportunity to repeat the crime on another kid? Why are risks to him more important than risks to the greater community?

That is what the court system is there to determine. Risks if bail should or shouldn't be granted. It's not up to vigilante mobs.

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

I'm happy to have one rule for all .... name them, don't name them, I don't really have a preference ... just make up your mind ... to make an exception to protect child abusers in my books is simply not acceptable

The rule is to not name them if there is a reasonable risk of vigilante actions, I think that is both fair and equal.

then lets agree to disagree ...... in my books it's not fair or equal by any stretch of the imagination

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Re: Child's assault may prompt revenge: court
Reply #50 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:47am

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

then lets agree to disagree ...... in my books it's not fair or equal by any stretch of the imagination

It's just that you have not really explained why. I mean you pointed out that other accusations are not treated this way, yes, but other accusations don't have the same effects.

Innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.

So we can agree to disagree, sure. But this isn't simply a matter of opinion in the way that one prefers vanilla to strawberry.

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Re: Child's assault may prompt revenge: court
Reply #51 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 9:30am

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:42am:

listen, if they arrest someone for suspicion of robbery, they release his name, if they arrest someone for fighting, they release his name, if they arrest somone for streaking, they release his name almost every other crime and the name is released BEFORE it even goes to court ... before guilt has been determined ...

why treat child abusers differently? the courts needs to get their priorities right and protect the kids, not the perps.

It's about risk of retribution based on accusation.

"THE man who allegedly raped and murdered his defacto’s two-year-old daughter at their coastal home in Coffs Harbour has failed in his bid to hide his identity.
Visiting magistrate Robert Rabbidge this morning ruled it in the community’s interest to identify the alleged child killer, who allegedly molested and murdered the toddler between 7pm and 2.15am on April 20.
Thomas Lock, 23, was arrested by child abuse squad detectives yesterday afternoon and charged with murder, sexual intercourse with a person under 10-years-old and possession of 2g of methylamphetamine.
He was not forced by Mr Rabbidge to appear in court, after his defence team said he “didn’t want to come today”.
Mr Rabbidge described the alleged rape and murder as an “extraordinarily serious matter” and “distressing crimes”.
In reference to suppressing the suspect’s identity, Mr Rabbidge said “representing the community, I’m not convinced that I should make such an order”.
The toddler’s name has been suppressed.
“In my view that (the name of perpetrator) should not be suppressed,” Mr Rabbidge said."

Would similar risk of retribution not exist in the above??????

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Re: Child's assault may prompt revenge: court
Reply #52 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 10:58am

Kytro wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:47am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

then lets agree to disagree ...... in my books it's not fair or equal by any stretch of the imagination

It's just that you have not really explained why. I mean you pointed out that other accusations are not treated this way, yes, but other accusations don't have the same effects.

Innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.

So we can agree to disagree, sure. But this isn't simply a matter of opinion in the way that one prefers vanilla to strawberry.

really? when they release the names of bikies who beat up another bikie in the streets of broadbeach, doesn't that then mean he then risks being targetted by other bikies? yet his name was front page for weeks

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Re: Child's assault may prompt revenge: court
Reply #53 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 4:57pm

Alinta wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

"THE man who allegedly raped and murdered his defacto’s two-year-old daughter at their coastal home in Coffs Harbour has failed in his bid to hide his identity.
Visiting magistrate Robert Rabbidge this morning ruled it in the community’s interest to identify the alleged child killer, who allegedly molested and murdered the toddler between 7pm and 2.15am on April 20.
Thomas Lock, 23, was arrested by child abuse squad detectives yesterday afternoon and charged with murder, sexual intercourse with a person under 10-years-old and possession of 2g of methylamphetamine.
He was not forced by Mr Rabbidge to appear in court, after his defence team said he “didn’t want to come today”.
Mr Rabbidge described the alleged rape and murder as an “extraordinarily serious matter” and “distressing crimes”.
In reference to suppressing the suspect’s identity, Mr Rabbidge said “representing the community, I’m not convinced that I should make such an order”.
The toddler’s name has been suppressed.
“In my view that (the name of perpetrator) should not be suppressed,” Mr Rabbidge said."

Would similar risk of retribution not exist in the above??????

Quite possibly, it seems that this judge has a different view.

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Re: Child's assault may prompt revenge: court
Reply #54 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 4:58pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

Kytro wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:47am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

then lets agree to disagree ...... in my books it's not fair or equal by any stretch of the imagination

It's just that you have not really explained why. I mean you pointed out that other accusations are not treated this way, yes, but other accusations don't have the same effects.

Innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.

So we can agree to disagree, sure. But this isn't simply a matter of opinion in the way that one prefers vanilla to strawberry.

really? when they release the names of bikies who beat up another bikie in the streets of broadbeach, doesn't that then mean he then risks being targetted by other bikies? yet his name was front page for weeks

I also disagree with this. Like I said if it puts them at a significant risk then the names shouldn't be released.

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