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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Are Abbott Voters Anti Australian? Reply #15 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:00pm Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 2:39pm: The mass immigration of incompatible races and religions. Herbert, if the lesson you learnt from WWII was that we need to shun other races, I think you are thinking of a different worldwide global conflict.
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Reply #16 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:09pm

Meanwhile .... back at the mosque ... speaking of voters being anti-Australian ...

"There are somewhere between 360,000 and 500,000 practising Muslims in Australia. Some clerics claim a much higher figure but we can never know the exact figure because census questions of “faith” are optional and in line with our 18C restriction. The US-based Pew Research Centre has forecast an increase of 80% in the number of Australia’s Muslims by 2030.

So, if we take today’s most conservative figure of 360,000, and if we conservatively assume that our Muslim population is only one-quarter that of Britain’s, then of those questioned in a recent survey, 1.5 per cent say they would find London-type bombings fully justified. Therefore 5,400 Australian Muslims approve of these atrocities.

Another 6 per cent (21,600) said they feel sympathy with the feelings and motives of those who, one day, will commit similar atrocities here. Similarly, some 8 per cent (28,800) of Australia’s Muslims believe they are justified in bringing our Western society to an end".

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Aussie, if your father thinks/thought the Poms are the problem, then it might be time you had a quiet little chat to him about some of the unsavoury realities that have arrived with a 'Multicultual Australia'.

Break it gently to him, won't you.

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Reply #17 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:13pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:

Meanwhile .... back at the mosque ... speaking of voters being anti-Australian ...

"There are somewhere between 360,000 and 500,000 practising Muslims in Australia. Some clerics claim a much higher figure but we can never know the exact figure because census questions of “faith” are optional and in line with our 18C restriction. The US-based Pew Research Centre has forecast an increase of 80% in the number of Australia’s Muslims by 2030.

So, if we take today’s most conservative figure of 360,000, and if we conservatively assume that our Muslim population is only one-quarter that of Britain’s, then of those questioned in a recent survey, 1.5 per cent say they would find London-type bombings fully justified. Therefore 5,400 Australian Muslims approve of these atrocities.

Another 6 per cent (21,600) said they feel sympathy with the feelings and motives of those who, one day, will commit similar atrocities here. Similarly, some 8 per cent (28,800) of Australia’s Muslims believe they are justified in bringing our Western society to an end".

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Reply #18 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:31pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:

Meanwhile .... back at the mosque ... speaking of voters being anti-Australian ...

"There are somewhere between 360,000 and 500,000 practising Muslims in Australia. Some clerics claim a much higher figure but we can never know the exact figure because census questions of “faith” are optional and in line with our 18C restriction. The US-based Pew Research Centre has forecast an increase of 80% in the number of Australia’s Muslims by 2030.

So, if we take today’s most conservative figure of 360,000, and if we conservatively assume that our Muslim population is only one-quarter that of Britain’s, then of those questioned in a recent survey, 1.5 per cent say they would find London-type bombings fully justified. Therefore 5,400 Australian Muslims approve of these atrocities.

Another 6 per cent (21,600) said they feel sympathy with the feelings and motives of those who, one day, will commit similar atrocities here. Similarly, some 8 per cent (28,800) of Australia’s Muslims believe they are justified in bringing our Western society to an end".

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Aussie, if your father thinks/thought the Poms are the problem, then it might be time you had a quiet little chat to him about some of the unsavoury realities that have arrived with a 'Multicultual Australia'.

Break it gently to him, won't you.

Having passed on, he's just a tad too far away for that word in his ear. As for Pickering's dog whistling, there are rat bags in all groups, including his own Family ~ his son is an alleged high flying drug dealer and associate of the underworld. He without sin and all that, wot?

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Reply #19 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:35pm

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

Do they? Or do they vote for the party that will benefit them personally the most?

Remember how John Howard would always announce handouts before an election?

John Howard was a cunning snake. He knew that many, if not most, vote with their wallet in mind, not the national interest.

I'll think you will find that most people think what benefits them benefits the nation.

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Reply #20 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:45pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

... but I don't think you can accuse many voters of being against Australia.

Wrong.

A large percentage of voters and politicians have been very much against the Australia that the diggers fought and died for during WWII.

They've been on a mission to wipe out the Australia that the diggers knew.

The mass immigration of incompatible races and religions.

Yes, people disagree about what they think Australia should be of course. I wasn't implying otherwise.

There is no "mass" immigration you speak of. Mostly Muslims and the middle east is what I expect you are talking about. They are not a significant proportion of the population at 2.2%.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

The initiating and granting of government funds towards a 'Multicultural Australia' ... with it balkanising Australia into a patchwork of ethnic communities with their own professional lobbyists and their State and federal councils.

The elimination of Australian history in the classrooms. The dumping of English Grammar in the public schools.

The scrapping of the Australian Conservative Party.

The conservative party was registered due to lack of members, not a sinister plot. Like I said, some people think that multiculturalism is best for Australia while others disagree. This isn't about what is or isn't good, but about intention.

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

The public monstering of anyone who dares to put his or her head up and call for the preservation of British Australia and the monarchy.

And a great deal more sedition and subterfuge upon the theme of withdrawing Australia from the Anglo-sphere ... (Abbott is not one of these).

I don't think to monarchy has anything to do with this. Nations change over time, it is inevitable and always will be, there is no way change can or will be be prevented. One way or another, change will come. Always has, always will.

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Reply #21 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:47pm

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Like I said, many conservatives (an even others) don't accept climate change. I think they are wrong, but it's not evidence they are trying to damage the country.

I think that is wrong ....

if considering they greater good, they would also have to consider the fact that their own personal opinion may be wrong, and they would have to err on the side of caution .... I personally feel that working weekends is for greedy shmucks ... but for the good of my family, I do it anyway when I have to ..... not because I believe I should, but because my families well being takes priority over my opinions.

lib voters don't care about the greater good, they only care about their own opinion

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Reply #22 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 5:14pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Like I said, many conservatives (an even others) don't accept climate change. I think they are wrong, but it's not evidence they are trying to damage the country.

I think that is wrong ....

if considering they greater good, they would also have to consider the fact that their own personal opinion may be wrong, and they would have to err on the side of caution .... I personally feel that working weekends is for greedy shmucks ... but for the good of my family, I do it anyway when I have to ..... not because I believe I should, but because my families well being takes priority over my opinions.

lib voters don't care about the greater good, they only care about their own opinion

An inability or lack of will to look at the evidence does not imply that ill will. Ideology is extremely powerful.

Fundamental attribution error. Don't assume actions are driven by they type of person someone is over the circumstances.

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Reply #23 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 5:24pm

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 5:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Like I said, many conservatives (an even others) don't accept climate change. I think they are wrong, but it's not evidence they are trying to damage the country.

I think that is wrong ....

if considering they greater good, they would also have to consider the fact that their own personal opinion may be wrong, and they would have to err on the side of caution .... I personally feel that working weekends is for greedy shmucks ... but for the good of my family, I do it anyway when I have to ..... not because I believe I should, but because my families well being takes priority over my opinions.

lib voters don't care about the greater good, they only care about their own opinion

An inability or lack of will to look at the evidence does not imply that ill will. Ideology is extremely powerful.

Fundamental attribution error. Don't assume actions are driven by they type of person someone is over the circumstances.

I'll concede that often they do it unknowingly ... but that doesn't make them any less anti Australian.

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Reply #25 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 7:35pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:

Meanwhile .... back at the mosque ... speaking of voters being anti-Australian ...

[i]"There are somewhere between 360,000 and 500,000 practising Muslims in Australia...The US-based Pew Research Centre has forecast an increase of 80% in the number of Australia’s Muslims by 2030.

An 80% increase by 2030 would mean what? That the current 2% of the population that is Muslim would increase to 3%?

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:09pm:

our Muslim population is only one-quarter that of Britain’s, then of those questioned in a recent survey, 1.5 per cent say they would find London-type bombings fully justified. Therefore 5,400 Australian Muslims approve of these atrocities.

Quite a low number. If you asked Catholics or Jews the same question, you would almost certainly get a higher number.

Repeatedly, surveys have shown that Muslims are less likely than other religions to agree with the killing of civilians:

The following links have graphs that demonstrate that Muslims are the most peaceful religious group:

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The following survey by Gallup of religious folk found that North Americans and Europeans were far more likely to agree with killing civilians than Middle Easterners & North Africans:

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Even amongst the non-religious, living amongst Muslims has a positive result:

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75379 Gender:	Re: Are Abbott Voters Anti Australian? Reply #26 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 7:44pm Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 5:29pm: Well that poll and it's outcome is a complete joke. Yes Grendel, it's only important what you think ... what others think is irrelevant
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Reply #27 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:04pm

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

I chose none of. First of all it's nationalistic nonsense, but mostly I would have say that most people choose a party they believe will benefit Australia the most. They may not have evaluated all the policies, they might have strange ideas of what is beneficial, but I don't think you can accuse many voters of being against Australia.

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Reply #28 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:02pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 5:24pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 5:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:47pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Like I said, many conservatives (an even others) don't accept climate change. I think they are wrong, but it's not evidence they are trying to damage the country.

I think that is wrong ....

if considering they greater good, they would also have to consider the fact that their own personal opinion may be wrong, and they would have to err on the side of caution .... I personally feel that working weekends is for greedy shmucks ... but for the good of my family, I do it anyway when I have to ..... not because I believe I should, but because my families well being takes priority over my opinions.

lib voters don't care about the greater good, they only care about their own opinion

An inability or lack of will to look at the evidence does not imply that ill will. Ideology is extremely powerful.

Fundamental attribution error. Don't assume actions are driven by they type of person someone is over the circumstances.

I'll concede that often they do it unknowingly ... but that doesn't make them any less anti Australian.

I think it matters. Intent is important

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Reply #29 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 10:14am

____ wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:24am:

Let's take the issue of AGW as an example.

Abbott voters have selected short term self interests over what is in the highest intent for Australia and Australians, working for world action on carbon pollution through example.

Are Abbott voters anti Australians.

The ALP went to the election promising to "terminate" the carbon tax.

So don't forget to include everyone that voted for them in you retarded myopic thread.

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