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Reply #15 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 5:07pm

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

why do they still believe in the lies when there's 100% proof that man made GW is the biggest lie in human history?

Because you misunderstand scientific evidence fundamentally. The idea that scientists across the globe have been fooled or participate in a conspiracy is ridiculous in the extreme. If you had any idea of how science works you would know this.

Science is wrong and only denizen Mechanic knows what is really happening.

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Reply #16 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:02pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

why do they still believe in the lies when there's 100% proof that man made GW is the biggest lie in human history?

Because you misunderstand scientific evidence fundamentally. The idea that scientists across the globe have been fooled or participate in a conspiracy is ridiculous in the extreme. If you had any idea of how science works you would know this.

Science is wrong and only denizen Mechanic knows what is really happening.

..except the science he needs to prove why the science is wrong Grin

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Reply #17 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:03pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

why do they still believe in the lies when there's 100% proof that man made GW is the biggest lie in human history?

Because you misunderstand scientific evidence fundamentally. The idea that scientists across the globe have been fooled or participate in a conspiracy is ridiculous in the extreme. If you had any idea of how science works you would know this.

Science is wrong and only denizen Mechanic knows what is really happening.

..except the science he needs to prove why the science is wrong Grin

His proof is he says its wrong.

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Reply #18 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:04pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:03pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 5:07pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

why do they still believe in the lies when there's 100% proof that man made GW is the biggest lie in human history?

Because you misunderstand scientific evidence fundamentally. The idea that scientists across the globe have been fooled or participate in a conspiracy is ridiculous in the extreme. If you had any idea of how science works you would know this.

Science is wrong and only denizen Mechanic knows what is really happening.

..except the science he needs to prove why the science is wrong Grin

His proof is he says its wrong.

oh yeh, I forgot Cool

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Reply #19 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 7:52pm

oh sure.. you can totally believe the lying scientist that are just making up their own data... Roll Eyes

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For years, computer simulations have predicted that sea ice should be disappearing from the Poles. (uh oh, we got it wrong again Shocked

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Now, with the news that Antarctic sea-ice levels have hit new highs, comes yet another mishap to tarnish the credibility of climate science.

Climatologists base their doom-laden predictions of the Earth’s climate on computer simulations. Roll Eyes

But these have long been the subject of ridicule because of their stunning failure to predict the pause in warming – nearly 18 years long on some measures – since the turn of the last century.

It’s the same with sea ice. We hear a great deal about the decline in Arctic sea ice, in line with or even ahead of predictions.

But why are environmentalists and scientists so much less keen to discuss the long-term increase in the southern hemisphere?

In fact, across the globe, there are about one million square kilometres more sea ice than 35 years ago, which is when satellite measurements began.

It’s fair to say that this has been something of an embarrassment for climate modellers. Embarrassed

But it doesn’t stop there.

In recent days a new scandal over the integrity of temperature data has emerged, this time in America, where it has been revealed as much as 40 per cent of temperature data there are not real thermometer readings. Shocked

Many temperature stations have closed, but rather than stop recording data from these posts, the authorities have taken the remarkable step of ‘estimating’ temperatures based on the records of surrounding stations. (oh for crying out loud Roll Eyes

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So vast swathes of the data are actually from ‘zombie’ stations that have long since disappeared.

This is bad enough, but it has also been discovered that the US’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is using estimates even when perfectly good raw data is available to it – and that it has adjusted historical records. (what Shocked

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Why should it do this?

Many have noted that the effect of all these changes is to produce a warmer present and a colder past, with the net result being the impression of much faster warming. They draw their conclusions accordingly.

Naturally, if the US temperature records are indeed found to have been manipulated, this is unlikely to greatly affect our overall picture of rising temperatures at the end of the last century and a standstill thereafter.

The US is, after all, only a small proportion of the globe.

Similarly, climatologists’ difficulties with the sea ice may be of little scientific significance in the greater scheme of things.

We have only a few decades of data, and in climate terms this is probably too short to demonstrate that either the Antarctic increase or the Arctic decrease is anything other than natural variability.

But the relentless focus by activist scientists on the Arctic decline does suggest a political imperative rather than a scientific one – and when put together with the story of the US temperature records, it’s hard to avoid the impression that what the public is being told is less than the unvarnished truth.

As their credulity is stretched more and more, the public will – quite rightly – treat demands for action with increasing caution…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681812/Its-politics-not-science-driving...

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Reply #20 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 7:59pm

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Our climate is absorbing a lot of heat. When scientists add up all of the heat warming the oceans, land, and atmosphere and melting the ice, they find our climate is accumulating 4 Hiroshima atomic bombs worth of heat every second.

so according to scientists .. 345600 Hiroshima atomic bombs are going off every day... oh pahleaaase... Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:10pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

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Our climate is absorbing a lot of heat. When scientists add up all of the heat warming the oceans, land, and atmosphere and melting the ice, they find our climate is accumulating 4 Hiroshima atomic bombs worth of heat every second.

www.skepticalscience.com/4-Hiroshima-bombs-worth-of-heat-per-second.html

so according to scientists .. 345600 Hiroshima atomic bombs are going off every day... oh pahleaaase... Roll Eyes

Wish I could have got information with pictures and spanner icons for you. But the following will have to do. Please wash your hands before touching keyboard or screen. Grease is a bitch. You might have to take your shoes off to follow the math.

"...How 4 Hiroshimas Per Second was calculated
In 2012, several Skeptical Science contributors teamed up with John Church to publish a paper (Nuccitelli et al. 2012) in response to a flawed publication by Douglass & Knox (2012). In our paper, we analyzed global heat data, created by combining pentadal (5-year average) ocean heat content data to a depth of 2,000 meters from Levitus et al. (2012), and land, atmosphere, and ice heating data from Church et al. (2011).

Fig 1

As this figure shows, there has been no significant slowing in global heat accumulation, contrary to the mythical 'global warming pause'. So, how do we come up with 4 Hiroshima atomic bomb detonation equivalents per second from this data?

The slope of the global heat accumulation graph tells us how rapidly the Earth's climate is building up heat. Over the past decade, the rate is 8 x 1021 Joules per year, or 2.5 x 1014 Joules per second. The yield of the Hiroshima atomic bomb was 6.3 x 1013 Joules, hence the rate of global heat accumulation is equivalent to about 4 Hiroshima bomb detonations per second. That's nearly 2 billion atomic bomb detonations worth of heat accumulating in the Earth's climate system since 1998, when we're told global warming supposedly 'paused'. That has to be the worst pause ever.

The data used in Nuccitelli et al. (2012) are now available for download so you can check

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Reply #22 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:49pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

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Our climate is absorbing a lot of heat. When scientists add up all of the heat warming the oceans, land, and atmosphere and melting the ice, they find our climate is accumulating 4 Hiroshima atomic bombs worth of heat every second.

so according to scientists .. 345600 Hiroshima atomic bombs are going off every day... oh pahleaaase... Roll Eyes

I think you misunderstand the level of energies involved in these things.

The Japan earthquake was a megaton.

The sun produces about 1 trillion megatons of energy a second. In other words if earth keeps 0.0000000000016 % of the energy emitted then it makes sense. Not that unreasonable after all.

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Reply #23 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:57pm

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:49pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

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Our climate is absorbing a lot of heat. When scientists add up all of the heat warming the oceans, land, and atmosphere and melting the ice, they find our climate is accumulating 4 Hiroshima atomic bombs worth of heat every second.

so according to scientists .. 345600 Hiroshima atomic bombs are going off every day... oh pahleaaase... Roll Eyes

I think you misunderstand the level of energies involved in these things.

The Japan earthquake was a megaton.

The sun produces about 1 trillion megatons of energy a second. In other words if earth keeps 0.0000000000016 % of the energy emitted then it makes sense. Not that unreasonable after all.

no, its how they put it to try and "scare"
everyone..

not that you could even believe the figures.. as shown above.. they just make up their own... Roll Eyes

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Reply #24 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:08pm

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

why do they still believe in the lies when there's 100% proof that man made GW is the biggest lie in human history?

Because you misunderstand scientific evidence fundamentally. The idea that scientists across the globe have been fooled or participate in a conspiracy is ridiculous in the extreme. If you had any idea of how science works you would know this.

The Libbos should stick to cleaning up coal with OMO soap powder. That's about as much contribution you are going to get from them on this important matter.

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Reply #25 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:13pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 8:49pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

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Our climate is absorbing a lot of heat. When scientists add up all of the heat warming the oceans, land, and atmosphere and melting the ice, they find our climate is accumulating 4 Hiroshima atomic bombs worth of heat every second.

so according to scientists .. 345600 Hiroshima atomic bombs are going off every day... oh pahleaaase... Roll Eyes

I think you misunderstand the level of energies involved in these things.

The Japan earthquake was a megaton.

The sun produces about 1 trillion megatons of energy a second. In other words if earth keeps 0.0000000000016 % of the energy emitted then it makes sense. Not that unreasonable after all.

not that you could even believe the figures.. as shown above.. they just make up their own... Roll Eyes

That's actually correct.

The figures are fabricated.

Of course, they'll tell you that they fabricate them through scientific methods.

Then again, they believe that consensus is part of the scientific method.

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Reply #26 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:14pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:08pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

why do they still believe in the lies when there's 100% proof that man made GW is the biggest lie in human history?

Because you misunderstand scientific evidence fundamentally. The idea that scientists across the globe have been fooled or participate in a conspiracy is ridiculous in the extreme. If you had any idea of how science works you would know this.

The Libbos should stick to cleaning up coal with OMO soap powder. That's about as much contribution you are going to get from them on this important matter.

even under the calculations of the loopy's if we left the carbon tax in until the end of the century we'd "might" drop the temperature by .004 of one degree...

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Reply #27 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:18pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:14pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:08pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

why do they still believe in the lies when there's 100% proof that man made GW is the biggest lie in human history?

Because you misunderstand scientific evidence fundamentally. The idea that scientists across the globe have been fooled or participate in a conspiracy is ridiculous in the extreme. If you had any idea of how science works you would know this.

The Libbos should stick to cleaning up coal with OMO soap powder. That's about as much contribution you are going to get from them on this important matter.

even under the calculations of the loopy's if we left the carbon tax in until the end of the century we'd "might" drop the temperature by .004 of one degree...

Cheesy

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How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: Responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming

Below is a complete listing of the articles in “How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic,” a series by Coby Beck containing responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming. There are four separate taxonomies; arguments are divided by:

Stages of Denial,
Scientific Topics,
Types of Argument, and
Levels of Sophistication.

Individual articles will appear under multiple headings and may even appear in multiple subcategories in the same heading.

http://grist.org/series/skeptics/

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Reply #28 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:28pm

13 JULY 2014
INTERVIEW WITH ANTHONY ALBANESE
ANDREW BOLT, PRESENTER

ANDREW BOLT: Can I start with the carbon tax. Now, Labor this week voted with Palmer against repealing the carbon tax, and at the last election you promised to get rid of the tax. Why did you break your word?

ANTHONY ALBANESE: We didn’t break our word, Andrew. We voted for exactly what we said we would do, which is, we would get rid of the carbon tax, but replace it with an emissions trading scheme. See, we understand that the science is in –

ANDREW BOLT: You said terminate. I saw Kevin Rudd stand there, “I will terminate the tax.”

ANTHONY ALBANESE: And replace it with an emissions trading scheme. We can’t afford to have no policy on climate change. We think the science is in on climate change, and, what’s more, not only are we not climate sceptics, we’re not market sceptics, either. We want to harness the power of the market through an emissions trading scheme, to use that, to drive that change through the economy.

ANDREW BOLT: Alright. Talking about the emissions trading scheme, the IPC scientist, professor Roger Jones, estimates that, at the very most, if
global warming theory hasn’t been exaggerated, your carbon tax or an emissions trading scheme to achieve the same effect, would cut the world’s temperatures by 4,000ths by one degree by the end of the century. Is he right? 4000ths of one degree?

ANTHONY ALBANESE: Well, Andrew, what we know is that 95% of the
scientists -

ANDREW BOLT; No, no, I’m asking you about that calculation. I’m asking you about that calculation. Is he right, would your policy achieve a cut in the world’s temperature, by the end of the century, by 4,000ths of one degree?

ANTHONY ALBANESE: Well, Andrew, what we know is that we need to act on climate change, and the best way to do it –

ANDREW BOLT: But is that so hard to answer, Anthony? What’s so hard to answer, about that question? You’re asking Australians to pay all this money, what’s the –

ANTHONY ALBANESE: No, no, Andrew, I’m not asking Australians to pay all this money. What I’m asking for, is for the power of the market to drive through change through the economy, so that we drive down emissions.

ANDREW BOLT: To what effect?

ANTHONY ALBANESE: Australians know that 2013 was our hottest year on record. Roll Eyes

ANDREW BOLT: I find it amazing -

ANTHONY ALBANESE: You want to talk about scientists –

ANDREW BOLT: I find it amazing that you guys make Australians pay billions, and you can’t even tell us what that – all that paying actually achieves, and you dodge the question repeatedly.

ANTHONY ALBANESE: No, no, I don’t, Andrew – Grin

ANDREW BOLT: Alright, well, tell me how much difference.

ANTHONY ALBANESE: What we’re seeing is that the rest of the world is acting, and that’s the wrong question, Andrew, because –

ANDREW BOLT: Oh, that’s what you guys always say. That’s what you and Tim Flannery always say.

ANTHONY ALBANESE: No, no.

ANDREW BOLT: Pay all this money, we don’t know what it’ll achieve, and if you ask what will it achieve, you say, “Wrong question.” But listen, Labor’s also –

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