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Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:21pm
 
Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women, many early Church and Jewish leaders did not:
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Here are some quotes from well-known Church leaders and theologians that do not in any way reflect what the Bible says about women.

Clement of Alexandria (Theologian and Greek Father, C2nd): “Every woman should be filled with shame by the thought that she is a woman…the consciousness of their own nature must evoke feelings of shame”

Origen (Theologian and Greek Father, C2nd-3rd) “Men should not sit and listen to a woman… even if she says admirable things, or even saintly things, that is of little consequence, since it came from the mouth of a woman.”

Tertullian (the Father of Latin Christianity, 155-245): ”And do you not know that you are (each) an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the devil’s gateway: you are the unsealer of that (forbidden) tree: you are the first deserter of the divine law: you are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. On account of your desert— that is, death— even the Son of God had to die. And do you think about adorning yourself over and above your tunics of skins?”

Chrysostom (Archbishop of Constantinople and Doctor of the Church,  C4th) “God maintained the order of each sex by dividing the business of life into two parts, and assigned the more necessary and beneficial aspects to the man and the less important, inferior matter to the woman.”

Jerome (Priest, Theologian, Doctor of the Church and Latin Father, C4th-5th): “Woman is the root of all evil.”

Augustine (Bishop of Hippo, Doctor of the Church and Latin Father, 354-430): “I don’t see what sort of help woman was created to provide man with, if one excludes procreation. If woman is not given to man for help in bearing children, for what help could she be? To till the earth together? If help were needed for that, man would have been a better help for man. The same goes for comfort in solitude. How much more pleasure is it for life and conversation when two friends live together than when a man and a woman cohabitate?”

“. . . the woman together with her own husband is the image of God, so that that whole substance may be one image; but when she is referred separately to her quality of help-meet, which regards the woman herself alone, then she is not the image of God; but as regards the man alone, he is the image of God as fully and completely as when the woman too is joined with him in one.”  On the Trinity Book 12 7.10

Martin Luther (German priest, theologian and Protestant Reformer, C16th) : “The woman certainly differs from the man, for she is weaker in body and intellect. Nevertheless Eve was an excellent creature and equal to Adam in so far as the divine image: that is, righteousness, wisdom and eternal salvation, is concerned. Still, she was only a woman. As the sun is much more glorious than the moon (though also the moon is glorious), so the woman was inferior to the man both in honour and dignity, though she, too, was a very excellent work of God.” From Luther’s Commentary on Genesis.

John Calvin (French theologian, pastor and Protestant Reformer, 1509-1564), of the first post-resurrection appearance of Jesus to women rather than to men: “I consider this was done by way of reproach, because they [the men] had been so tardy and sluggish to believe. And indeed, they deserve not only to have women for their teachers, but even oxen and asses. . . Yet it pleased the Lord, by means of those weak and contemptible vessels, to give display of his power.” From Calvin’s Commentary on the Gospel of John.

On this account, all women are born that they may acknowledge themselves as inferior in consequence to the superiority of the male sex. From Calvin’s Commentary on 1 Corinthians (Chapter 11)

John Knox (Scottish clergyman and Protestant Reformer, C16th: “[Women are] weake, fraile, impatient, feeble and foolish.”

He also said women were “unconstant, variable, cruel and lacking the spirit of counsel and regiment” and “woman in her greatest perfection was made to serve and obey man.” From his The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women.

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Reply #1 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:22pm
 
Even early Jewish writers had misogynist views on women:
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Ben Sirach, a Jew writing in 2BC, wrote in his Apocryphal work Ecclesiasticus that a good wife is a silent wife and that all women have a disposition of sexual wantonness (Sirach 25:13-25; 26:13-16; 42:9-11, 12-14). “He maintained that women in general constitute a threat to the dignity and well-being of men and that the most dangerous threat comes from a man’s own daughter.” (“Women in Second Temple Judaism” in The Eerdmans Dictionary of Early Judaism.)

An unknown Jewish writer, also writing in 2BC, states that “Women are evil … treacherous … lustful …” (Testament of Reuben 2:13-16)

The Jewish philosopher Philo, writing in the 1AD, “…accepted the Aristotelian judgment that the female is, in and of herself, inferior to the male. He used this to explain the biblical narratives allegorically. The women of the Bible [he thought] represent inferior aspects of a person’s psyche, namely the senses, while the male figures represent the superior mind. The creation of woman, for example, is explained as a corruption of the mind by the senses (Opificio Mundi 59).” (“Women in Second Temple Judaism” in The Eerdmans Dictionary of Early Judaism.)

Tertullian, an early Christian theologian writing in 2-3AD, called women “the Devil’s gateway”.  He had the opinion that all women are guilty of the Fall, and that women are especially guilty of Jesus’ death. (On the Apparel of Women, chapter 1.)

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Reply #2 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:29pm
 
The Bible had a great deal to say about how women should behave:
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Silence in the church

    "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."[1 Cor. 14:34–35]

Instructions for Timothy
See also: 1 Timothy 2:12 ("I suffer not a woman")

    "I desire that the men pray everywhere lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting, and the women likewise [or 'in like manner']"[1 Tim. 2:8]

    "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."[1 Tim. 2:11-12]

    "[I desire women] to array themselves in a befitted catastola,[17] with reverence and restraint, not with braids, or gold, or pearls, or costly garments. But as becomes women proclaiming godliness, with good deeds."[1 Tim. 2:9–10]

    "Let a woman learn, quietly, in all subjection [to God]."[1 Tim. 2:11]

    "Now I permit a woman neither to teach nor exercise authority over a man, but let her be in quietness. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived [when he sinned]; but the woman, having [first] been thoroughly deceived, became [involved] in the transgression [of Adam], and she will be saved by the Child-bearing [i.e., the bearing of Jesus Christ], if they abide in faith, and love and sanctification with self-restraint."[1 Tim. 2:12–15]

Bishops and deacons

    "Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach...."[1 Tim. 3:1–2]

    "A deacon must be faithful to his wife and must manage his children and his household well...."[1 Tim. 3:12]

    "The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you. An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient."[Titus 1:5–6]

Criteria for deacons

    "Deacons likewise must be serious, not double tongued, not indulging in much wine, not greedy for money; they must hold fast to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. And let them first be tested; then, if they prove themselves blameless, let them serves as deacons. Women likewise must be serious, not slanders, but temperate, faithful in all things. Let deacons be married only once, and let them manage their children and their households well; for those who serve well as deacons gain good standing for themselves and the great boldness in the faith that is in Christ Jesus."[1 Tim. 3:8–13]

Headship

A New Testament passage that has long been interpreted to require a male priority in marriage are these verses: "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord," and "the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church…."[Eph. 5:22–24] Both Christian Egalitarians and Complementarians agree that the Apostle Paul wrote that the "husband is head…" and "wives, submit…," and that he was divinely inspired to write what he wrote, but the two groups diverge in their interpretation of this passage.

    "But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man."[1 Cor. 11:3–9]
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Submission to one's husband

    "Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, people have never hated their own bodies, but they feed and care for them, just as Christ does the church— or we are members of his body."[Eph. 5:22–30]

    "Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."[Col. 3:18–19]

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle_and_women]

All in all we get a picture where women are treated as subservient to men and must be kept in that position according to the dictates of Christian religious teaching.

Today, women cannot be ordained in mainstream Christianity, sexism is rampant.  Grin  Cheesy
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Reply #3 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:30pm
 
That's in the past. Muslims are still doing it.
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Reply #4 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:35pm
 
hermoine wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:30pm:
That's in the past. Muslims are still doing it.


Those Christian teachings are still being taught as part of the Bible and are evident in Christian attitudes towards women.  Women cannot be ordained, they cannot give services in mainstream Christian churches.  In some of the odder sects, such as the Exclusive Brethren believe women should be completely subservient to their husbands.   That is today, not yesterday.  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #5 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:38pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:35pm:
hermoine wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:30pm:
That's in the past. Muslims are still doing it.


Those Christian teachings are still being taught as part of the Bible and are evident in Christian attitudes towards women.  Women cannot be ordained, they cannot give services in mainstream Christian churches.  In some of the odder sects, such as the Exclusive Brethren believe women should be completely subservient to their husbands.   That is today, not yesterday.  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
At least they can show their hair, leave the house when they want, wear what they want, inherit money, get a divorce without a males consent, marry outside their religion without threat of death, marry who they want, don't get treated like a second class member of the family etc etc etc.
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Reply #6 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:51pm
 
hermoine wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
At least they can show their hair, leave the house when they want, wear what they want, inherit money, get a divorce without a males consent, marry outside their religion without threat of death, marry who they want, don't get treated like a second class member of the family etc etc etc.


Not if they are members of the Exclusive Brethren.  Women must cover their hair, cannot leave the house except in the company of related menfolk, cannot divorce nor marry outside their religion.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2007/jun/02/familyandrelationships.features

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_Brethren
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Reply #7 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:03pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:51pm:
hermoine wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
At least they can show their hair, leave the house when they want, wear what they want, inherit money, get a divorce without a males consent, marry outside their religion without threat of death, marry who they want, don't get treated like a second class member of the family etc etc etc.


Not if they are members of the Exclusive Brethren.  Women must cover their hair, cannot leave the house except in the company of related menfolk, cannot divorce nor marry outside their religion.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2007/jun/02/familyandrelationships.features

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_Brethren
Well they are only a tiny group of the christian religion. In Islam those things are common.
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Reply #8 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:40pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:21pm:
Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,.....




Hot_Breath,

YES, IT DOES DOESN'T IT.

e.g.
Compare what the bible commands, of how Christian men should treat their women;

Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
19  Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.



Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26  That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27  That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28  So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.


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and then, what ISLAM/Allah commands, as to how moslem men should treat their women;



THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #1


The Koran [Allah] instructs moslems to beat disobedient wives, but ever so lightly.

And you know, don't you, that moslem men do beat their wives,...ever so lightly.

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
Koran 4.34


Actually, i have read somewhere, that the 'clarifying' insertion "(lightly)", DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE ARABIC KORAN.

And that this 'insertion' is [has been] added in some English translations of the Koran - to mislead those readers of the English translation of the Koran, one can only assume.



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THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #2

IMO, within ISLAM, women have the status of cattle or 'fields'.

The Koran [i.e. Allah] states that the woman, the wife, has the status of a field [of earth, 'tilth'].

And her husband may use her [plough her] as he wishes ['how ye will'].

And remember that every word in the Koran, has the sanctity of coming directly from Allah himself.

And remember also, that Allah is never wrong, mistaken.


"Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe."
Koran 2.223

Dictionary;
tilth = = cultivation of land; tillage.



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THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #3

Under ISLAMIC inheritance law.
Any daughter receives 1/2 the entitlement of any male heir.
e.g.
Where there is a son, and a daughter, to inherit an estate.
The estate is divided into 3 parts.
The son receives 2 parts.
The daughter receives 1 part.


"Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half...."
Koran 4.11






ALSO;
In the Hadith, Mohammed actually says that most of the inhabitants of HELL were women,
AND Mohammed SAID THAT THAT WAS THE CASE, BECAUSE WOMEN WERE WICKED CREATURES.




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A GALLERY - of acid-attacks on Islamic women - BY 'RIGHTLY GUIDED' MOSLEM MEN
http://freemenow.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/epidemic-of-acid-attacks-on-islamic-wo...


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Reply #9 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 3:32pm
 
hermoine wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:03pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:51pm:
hermoine wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:38pm:
At least they can show their hair, leave the house when they want, wear what they want, inherit money, get a divorce without a males consent, marry outside their religion without threat of death, marry who they want, don't get treated like a second class member of the family etc etc etc.


Not if they are members of the Exclusive Brethren.  Women must cover their hair, cannot leave the house except in the company of related menfolk, cannot divorce nor marry outside their religion.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2007/jun/02/familyandrelationships.features

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_Brethren
Well they are only a tiny group of the christian religion. In Islam those things are common.


No, the Exclusive Brethren is a fundamentalist Christian Group, they are representatives of the true teachings of Christianity.  They have told me so, who am I to doubt them????    Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:40pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:21pm:
Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,.....




Hot_Breath,

YES, IT DOES DOESN'T IT.


So why don't Christians obey it's teachings and implement it, Yadda?  Are you suggesting they are all hypocrites?  Are you confessing that modern Christianity has little to do with the real teachings of Christ?   Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Reply #11 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:24pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 3:34pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:40pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:21pm:
Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,.....




Hot_Breath,

YES, IT DOES DOESN'T IT.


So why don't Christians obey it's teachings and implement it, Yadda?  Are you suggesting they are all hypocrites?  Are you confessing that modern Christianity has little to do with the real teachings of Christ?   Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Only in Reformed  'Christian ' countries is there a push for it.

You wouldn't have a call for the equality of the sexes from other religions.

Islam actively resists it, laffin' boy (idiotic denomination).



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Reply #12 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:53pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 7:24pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 3:34pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 1:40pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 12:21pm:
Christianity as a religion has been well known for it's misogyny since the beginning.  While the Bible actually preaches equality for women,.....




Hot_Breath,

YES, IT DOES DOESN'T IT.


So why don't Christians obey it's teachings and implement it, Yadda?  Are you suggesting they are all hypocrites?  Are you confessing that modern Christianity has little to do with the real teachings of Christ?   Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Only in Reformed  'Christian ' countries is there a push for it.

You wouldn't have a call for the equality of the sexes from other religions.

Islam actively resists it, laffin' boy (idiotic denomination).


Islam as a whole?  Funny, I didn't see much evidence of that when I was last in Indonesia or Malaysia, Soren.  Have you ever stepped outside of Australia?  Ever?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #13 - Jul 14th, 2014 at 9:12pm
 
Notable how 3 populous Muslim countries beat Australia to the punch with women heads of government.

Even the US hasn't achieved that yet.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 14th, 2014 at 9:12pm:
Notable how 3 populous Muslim countries beat Australia to the punch with women heads of government.

Even the US hasn't achieved that yet.
Yeah, one got shot. I don't know what happened to the other two.
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