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Reply #60 - Jul 17^th, 2014 at 8:16pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

You denying that Christianity has a history of misogyny Matty? Amazing. So, how do you explain all the quotes I provided from Christian philosophers and thinkers? Grin

The equality of the sexes is a fairly recent WESTERN development, starting with the troubadours and really taking off in 19th century England - home of liberal democracy!!! (you must be shocked, Hot Bread)

Their arguments? Based on... er.... Christian ideas such as the equality of all before their creator, the human dignity of all who are created in the image of that creator. These are the grounds for ideas such as equality before the law and that flows from it.

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Reply #61 - Jul 17^th, 2014 at 8:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse?

Sorry, Soren that doesn't work. Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny. You look more foolish than usual even attempting it. Roll Eyes

Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny. Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation? Roll Eyes

TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West.

If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality.

Given that we live in these times, harping about what Christianity has overcome but Islam hasn't is more than ridiculous, it's is stupid and dishonest. It is an attempt to deflect and cover up Islam's shortcomings TODAY by screeching about Christianity's shortcomings in the past which it has successfully rectified and grew out of.

Misogyny TODAY is an Islamic problem, not a Western one.

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Re: Christian Misogyny
Reply #62 - Jul 18^th, 2014 at 11:48am

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

You denying that Christianity has a history of misogyny Matty? Amazing. So, how do you explain all the quotes I provided from Christian philosophers and thinkers? Grin

The equality of the sexes is a fairly recent WESTERN development, starting with the troubadours and really taking off in 19th century England - home of liberal democracy!!! (you must be shocked, Hot Bread)

Their arguments? Based on... er.... Christian ideas such as the equality of all before their creator, the human dignity of all who are created in the image of that creator. These are the grounds for ideas such as equality before the law and that flows from it.

Yet that does not explain all the quotes I provided from the greatest thinkers and theologians in the Christian religion Soren. Nor does it negate the 2,000 year long history of the religion's hatred towards and oppression of womyn. When were the first Christian womyn ordained? When were the first Christian womyn appointed as bishops? When will the first Christian womyn be appointed Cardinals or Pope? Womyn have been waiting 2,000 years for their equality to be recognised by their own religion Soren and you're just attempting to act as an obvious and unsuccessful apologist for it! Cheesy

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Reply #63 - Jul 18^th, 2014 at 12:05pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Yet that does not explain all the quotes I provided from the greatest thinkers and theologians in the Christian religion Soren. Nor does it negate the 2,000 year long history of the religion's hatred towards and oppression of womyn. When were the first Christian womyn ordained? When were the first Christian womyn appointed as bishops? When will the first Christian womyn be appointed Cardinals or Pope? Womyn have been waiting 2,000 years for their equality to be recognised by their own religion Soren and you're just attempting to act as an obvious and unsuccessful apologist for it! Cheesy

TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West. If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality.

Given that we live in these times, harping about what Christianity has overcome but Islam hasn't is more than ridiculous, it's is stupid and dishonest. It is an attempt to deflect and cover up Islam's shortcomings TODAY by screeching about Christianity's shortcomings in the past which it has successfully rectified and grew out of.

Misogyny TODAY is an Islamic problem, not a Western one.

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Re: Christian Misogyny
Reply #64 - Jul 18^th, 2014 at 12:25pm

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse?

Sorry, Soren that doesn't work. Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny. You look more foolish than usual even attempting it. Roll Eyes

Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny. Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation? Roll Eyes

TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West.

If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality.

Given that we live in these times, harping about what Christianity has overcome but Islam hasn't is more than ridiculous, it's is stupid and dishonest. It is an attempt to deflect and cover up Islam's shortcomings TODAY by screeching about Christianity's shortcomings in the past which it has successfully rectified and grew out of.

Misogyny TODAY is an Islamic problem, not a Western one.

Where is the Female Pope? Where are the Female Cardinals/Bishops/Priests? Why are Nuns subservient to males in Christianity? Why do Christian sects still teach that womyn must be subservient to their men?

Looks to me like Misogyny is a Christian problem as well.

Stop blaming Islam for Christianity's treatment of womyn! Stop being a Christian apologist! Cheesy

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Reply #65 - Jul 18^th, 2014 at 3:20pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse?

Sorry, Soren that doesn't work. Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny. You look more foolish than usual even attempting it. Roll Eyes

Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny. Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation? Roll Eyes

TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West.

If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality.

Given that we live in these times, harping about what Christianity has overcome but Islam hasn't is more than ridiculous, it's is stupid and dishonest. It is an attempt to deflect and cover up Islam's shortcomings TODAY by screeching about Christianity's shortcomings in the past which it has successfully rectified and grew out of.

Misogyny TODAY is an Islamic problem, not a Western one.

Where is the Female Pope? Where are the Female Cardinals/Bishops/Priests? Why are Nuns subservient to males in Christianity? Why do Christian sects still teach that womyn must be subservient to their men?

Looks to me like Misogyny is a Christian problem as well.

Stop blaming Islam for Christianity's treatment of womyn! Stop being a Christian apologist! Cheesy

The West is not a theocracy like the leading Sunni and Shia Muslim countries. What the Catholic Church as a church does has no relevance to the FACT that women in the West are equal before the law, unlike women in Islamic countries - or indeed in Muslim communities everywhere.

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Reply #66 - Jul 18^th, 2014 at 4:44pm

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse?

Sorry, Soren that doesn't work. Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny. You look more foolish than usual even attempting it. Roll Eyes

Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny. Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation? Roll Eyes

TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West.

If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality.

Given that we live in these times, harping about what Christianity has overcome but Islam hasn't is more than ridiculous, it's is stupid and dishonest. It is an attempt to deflect and cover up Islam's shortcomings TODAY by screeching about Christianity's shortcomings in the past which it has successfully rectified and grew out of.

Misogyny TODAY is an Islamic problem, not a Western one.

Where is the Female Pope? Where are the Female Cardinals/Bishops/Priests? Why are Nuns subservient to males in Christianity? Why do Christian sects still teach that womyn must be subservient to their men?

Looks to me like Misogyny is a Christian problem as well.

Stop blaming Islam for Christianity's treatment of womyn! Stop being a Christian apologist! Cheesy

The West is not a theocracy like the leading Sunni and Shia Muslim countries. What the Catholic Church as a church does has no relevance to the FACT that women in the West are equal before the law, unlike women in Islamic countries - or indeed in Muslim communities everywhere.

The UK is a theocracy. The Vatican is a theocracy. Where is the Female Archbishop of Canterbury. Where is the Female Pope? Well? Grin

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Re: Christian Misogyny
Reply #67 - Jul 18^th, 2014 at 6:11pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 12:25pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 8:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

So, you're not denying it but instead attempting to deflect responsibility by suggesting that the Muslims are worse?

Sorry, Soren that doesn't work. Stop being an apologist for 2,000 years of Christian misogyny. You look more foolish than usual even attempting it. Roll Eyes

Remember, the thread is about Christian Misogyny, not Muslim Misogyny. Speak to the topic for a change or are you incapable for doing so and must always attempt to drag Islam into every conservation? Roll Eyes

TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West.

If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality.

Given that we live in these times, harping about what Christianity has overcome but Islam hasn't is more than ridiculous, it's is stupid and dishonest. It is an attempt to deflect and cover up Islam's shortcomings TODAY by screeching about Christianity's shortcomings in the past which it has successfully rectified and grew out of.

Misogyny TODAY is an Islamic problem, not a Western one.

Where is the Female Pope? Where are the Female Cardinals/Bishops/Priests? Why are Nuns subservient to males in Christianity? Why do Christian sects still teach that womyn must be subservient to their men?

Looks to me like Misogyny is a Christian problem as well.

Stop blaming Islam for Christianity's treatment of womyn! Stop being a Christian apologist! Cheesy

The West is not a theocracy like the leading Sunni and Shia Muslim countries. What the Catholic Church as a church does has no relevance to the FACT that women in the West are equal before the law, unlike women in Islamic countries - or indeed in Muslim communities everywhere.

The UK is a theocracy. The Vatican is a theocracy. Where is the Female Archbishop of Canterbury. Where is the Female Pope? Well? Grin

You are an idiot if you think the UK is a theocracy. No, worse than an idiot.

Vatican? Population 800.
Countries where sharia is the basis of the relationship between the sexes? 1 billion plus.

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Reply #68 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:26am

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 6:11pm:

You are an idiot if you think the UK is a theocracy. No, worse than an idiot.

The UK's Head of State is also the Head of the State established, official Church, Soren. That is a theocracy.

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Vatican? Population 800.

Immaterial. The Vatican's Head of State is also the Head of the Vatican's Government. Priests control the Vatican Government, they are the Vatican Government. That is a theocracy. It doesn't matter how big or how small it is, it is still a theocracy. Roll Eyes

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IQSRLOW :) New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 48 Gender:	Re: Christian Misogyny Reply #69 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:50am Quote: The UK's Head of State is also the Head of the State established, official Church, Soren. That is a theocracy. What sex in the head of state in the UK, Brian? Looks like you shut down your socks own argument about Christian misogyny. Stupid white ants
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Reply #70 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 8:22pm

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The UK's Head of State is also the Head of the State established, official Church, Soren. That is a theocracy.

What sex in the head of state in the UK, Brian? Grin

Yet, as has been noted, it took until last week to see the Ordination of female bishops in the Anglican Church, and the first female priest was only Ordained 15 years ago. So, we have approximately 400 years for them to stop discriminating against women in their branch of Christianity, which it should note was founded by a man and has been headed more often than not during that approximately 400 years, by men. Looks to me like the most recent HoC hasn't been trying too hard in her 50 years of rule to change matters, now does it?

However, that is just one branch of Christianity. There are quite a few other denominations and sects, the majority of whom still teach the misogynist belief that women must obey their husbands and their church, do not ordain women and don't have women amongst their hierarchies. Roll Eyes

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Reply #71 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 8:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

IQSRLOW

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The UK's Head of State is also the Head of the State established, official Church, Soren. That is a theocracy.

What sex in the head of state in the UK, Brian? Grin

Yet, as has been noted, it took until last week to see the Ordination of female bishops in the Anglican Church, and the first female priest was only Ordained 15 years ago. So, we have approximately 400 years for them to stop discriminating against women in their branch of Christianity, which it should note was founded by a man and has been headed more often than not during that approximately 400 years, by men. Looks to me like the most recent HoC hasn't been trying too hard in her 50 years of rule to change matters, now does it?

However, that is just one branch of Christianity. There are quite a few other denominations and sects, the majority of whom still teach the misogynist belief that women must obey their husbands and their church, do not ordain women and don't have women amongst their hierarchies. Roll Eyes

Are you really trying to tell us that you see no huge differences between the rights and lives of women in the West and in Muslim countries?

Really?

Your priority is the history of Europe and not the lives of women who are honour killed, hidden in black cloth, mutilated today??

Really?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Christian Misogyny Reply #72 - Jul 28^th, 2014 at 1:37pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:26am: The UK's Head of State is also the Head of the State established, official Church, Soren. That is a theocracy. That is simply idiotic, even by your standards.
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Reply #73 - Jul 28^th, 2014 at 2:02pm

Soren wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 12:05pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 18^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Yet that does not explain all the quotes I provided from the greatest thinkers and theologians in the Christian religion Soren. Nor does it negate the 2,000 year long history of the religion's hatred towards and oppression of womyn. When were the first Christian womyn ordained? When were the first Christian womyn appointed as bishops? When will the first Christian womyn be appointed Cardinals or Pope? Womyn have been waiting 2,000 years for their equality to be recognised by their own religion Soren and you're just attempting to act as an obvious and unsuccessful apologist for it! Cheesy

TODAY, there is legal, social equality of the sexes in the West. If this is a good thing then the Muslims are worse because they do not have such equality.

YET, modern equal opportunities legislation does NOT apply to religious denominations/churches or orders! So, what good is it in overturning 2,000+ years of oppression for womyn in the Christian religion?

We are NOT discussing secular society! We ARE discussing religious society. You appear unable to differentiate between the two! Grin

Misogyny is a social problem which is most evident in religion - all religions. Yet we are discussing the Christian hypocrisy and you keep trying to divert attention to the Muslim one! Stop being an apologist for Christian hypocrisy! Grin

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