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Re: The growing threat of Islam's immigrant activists
Reply #15 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:03am

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted.

How, exactly, will they be "confronted"?

Surveillance, eavesdropping, disruption, arrest, passport cancellation, cutting off of funding mechanisms, freezing of bank accounts, court orders to desist and to stay away, to stop associating, then arrests, then imprisonment, more eavesdropping and surveillance, deportations, accidental slips in the bathroom while slaughtering the Eid goat, skiing accidents, whatever.

No government can be as idiotic as you and wait until these bvggers actually kill someone coz 'it's not illegal to be a bludgehadeen' or whatever your latest freaking nonsense might be about, gweggowy.

So, is this to be confined purely to Islamist Terrorists, Soren or is it to be applied to all Muslims? Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40449	Re: The growing threat of Islam's immigrant activists Reply #16 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:06am Yadda wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:41pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:20pm: Oh, look, it's Herbie telling us the sky is falling...again. Wake up brian. I am awake to your bigotry and hatred, Yadda. That is sufficient.
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Grand Duke Imam Mahdi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 564 Gender:	Re: The growing threat of Islam's immigrant activists Reply #17 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:08am Ah the TROLL Brain Toss to another Trolls rescue as per usual. As usual Brain Toss the BIGOT and his lap dog troll Groggery have nothing constructive to contribute except trolling. It must be hard being one of Islam's immigrant activists for them.
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Reply #18 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:32am

George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted. The distinct probability that Australia will suffer an event similar to America, Great Britain, Spain and others looms large in the not too distant future.

I guess some of the above mentioned countries also had their share of Doubting Thomas's who thought it would never happen.......and that 'the sky would never fall'.

Why would any sane government continue a policy of inviting a particular religion of people to come settle in the UK, Australia and elsewhere who have a proven track record of producing lunatics among them who want to perform mass-murder upon the civilian population?

It doesn't make any sense except in terms of Party Politics and the competition to win elections by not 'off-siding' the 'Ethnic Vote'. Bob Carr pointed this out in the most candid of terms to Julia Gillard when he told her not to "upset the Muslims" by voting against the Palestinians in the UN Security Council. So she 'abstained'.

A clear case of letting the tail wag the dog.

Abbott has demonstrated he has more personal integrity than a dozen previous PMs put together.

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Re: The growing threat of Islam's immigrant activists
Reply #19 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:23am

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:08am:

Ah the TROLL Brain Toss to another Trolls rescue as per usual. As usual Brain Toss the BIGOT and his lap dog troll Groggery have nothing constructive to contribute except trolling. It must be hard being one of Islam's immigrant activists for them. Grin

I don't think Greg needs much rescuing by Brian or anybody if this is the best you can do troll. Grin

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 94452 Gender:	Re: The growing threat of Islam's immigrant activists Reply #20 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:53am Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 5:52pm: link No mention of Pickering, Herbie. You're learning.
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Re: The growing threat of Islam's immigrant activists
Reply #21 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:03am:

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted.

How, exactly, will they be "confronted"?

Surveillance, eavesdropping, disruption, arrest, passport cancellation, cutting off of funding mechanisms, freezing of bank accounts, court orders to desist and to stay away, to stop associating, then arrests, then imprisonment, more eavesdropping and surveillance, deportations, accidental slips in the bathroom while slaughtering the Eid goat, skiing accidents, whatever.

No government can be as idiotic as you and wait until these bvggers actually kill someone coz 'it's not illegal to be a bludgehadeen' or whatever your latest freaking nonsense might be about, gweggowy.

So, is this to be confined purely to Islamist Terrorists, Soren or is it to be applied to all Muslims? Roll Eyes

Good question. How and where do you draw the line between the actors and their enablers, sympathisers, collaborators and excusers?

If the terrorists didn't have so many supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators across the world, it would be a much, much smaller problem.

To my mind, Islamic terrorism is a problem Muslims should solve. But they are washing their hands of all responsibility. The Brits and the Irish never said that Irish terrorism was somehow the world's responsibility.
Yet Islamic terrorism is sold as the world's responsibility, not the Muslims'.

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Re: The growing threat of Islam's immigrant activists
Reply #22 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:14pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:08am:

Ah the TROLL Brain Toss to another Trolls rescue as per usual. As usual Brain Toss the BIGOT and his lap dog troll Groggery have nothing constructive to contribute except trolling. It must be hard being one of Islam's immigrant activists for them. Grin

I don't think Greg needs much rescuing by Brian or anybody if this is the best you can do troll. Grin

He needed you troll Grin

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Reply #23 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:44pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:32am:

Why would any sane government continue a policy of inviting a particular religion of people to come settle in the UK, Australia and elsewhere who have a proven track record of producing lunatics among them who want to perform mass-murder upon the civilian population?

Well not all Christians are like that. Admittedly there a few like the IRA or the people in the US government who bombed Hiroshima or villages in Afghanistan, but it is not really helpful to generalise is it?

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Reply #24 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:53pm

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:44pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:32am:

Why would any sane government continue a policy of inviting a particular religion of people to come settle in the UK, Australia and elsewhere who have a proven track record of producing lunatics among them who want to perform mass-murder upon the civilian population?

Well not all Christians are like that. Admittedly there a few like the IRA or the people in the US government who bombed Hiroshima or villages in Afghanistan, but it is not really helpful to generalise is it?

Muslims are like it though.

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Reply #25 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:58pm

Soren wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:58pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 12:03am:

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

George_Orhell wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:46pm:

Yes, Muslim fundamentalists are certainly a future problem to this country which will have to be confronted.

How, exactly, will they be "confronted"?

Surveillance, eavesdropping, disruption, arrest, passport cancellation, cutting off of funding mechanisms, freezing of bank accounts, court orders to desist and to stay away, to stop associating, then arrests, then imprisonment, more eavesdropping and surveillance, deportations, accidental slips in the bathroom while slaughtering the Eid goat, skiing accidents, whatever.

No government can be as idiotic as you and wait until these bvggers actually kill someone coz 'it's not illegal to be a bludgehadeen' or whatever your latest freaking nonsense might be about, gweggowy.

So, is this to be confined purely to Islamist Terrorists, Soren or is it to be applied to all Muslims? Roll Eyes

Good question. How and where do you draw the line between the actors and their enablers, sympathisers, collaborators and excusers?

If the terrorists didn't have so many supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators across the world, it would be a much, much smaller problem.

To my mind, Islamic terrorism is a problem Muslims should solve. But they are washing their hands of all responsibility. The Brits and the Irish never said that Irish terrorism was somehow the world's responsibility.
Yet Islamic terrorism is sold as the world's responsibility, not the Muslims'.

You have evidence that all Muslims are "washing their hands" of this issue, Soren?

I've seen plenty of evidence of the reverse, Muslims arguing against Muslim "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators." Arguments going on, within Mosques and communities across Australia, just not in public and not in such a way that an unsympathetic MSM reports favourably upon.

Here's another good question for you, Soren. Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The growing threat of Islam's immigrant activists Reply #26 - Jul 17^th, 2014 at 12:11pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:58pm: Here's another good question for you, Soren. Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services? Apostates?
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Reply #27 - Jul 17^th, 2014 at 7:22pm

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

Here's another good question for you, Soren. Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services?

Apostates?

An excellent answer, if you're a Takfiri graduate of the Madrassa, Soren.

In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics.

Yet, according to you, all Muslims engage in groupthink. Roll Eyes

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Reply #28 - Jul 17^th, 2014 at 7:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

Here's another good question for you, Soren. Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services?

Apostates?

In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics.

How do you know?

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Reply #29 - Jul 17^th, 2014 at 7:53pm

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 12:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

Here's another good question for you, Soren. Who are the main informers on Islamist "supporters, enablers, sympathisers and collaborators," to the intelligence services?

Apostates?

In reality, its their fellow Muslims who don't agree with them, their beliefs or their tactics.

How do you know?

Who else could it be, Soren? Who else would be intimate enough to know what they're saying/proposing/doing? Roll Eyes

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