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Reply #60 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 6:33pm

HONESTLY! This trial went on for 8 weeks. He murdered his wife in April 2012. Now that he has been found GUILTY everyone is coming out of the woodwork with an OPINION.

Gerard Baden Clay has been convicted as a murderer of his wife, Allison. He has LIFE with 15 years non parole. He can NOT appeal his sentence as that is the minimum, according to Queensland Law.

However, he can still appeal the fact that the Jury found him GUILTY. I would think that since the QUEENSLAND TAXPAYERS will pay for it (he is broke and using Legal Aid)

The man is a JERK.

Shaving cuts........... Grin

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Reply #61 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 6:43pm

Seems to me Aussie that you're a cynical jaded ex Lawyer who cares nothing for the evil Gerard Baden-Clay visited on his family. It wasn't only his wife who was a victim.

You have set yourself up as THE EXPERT but you're not Aussie. You are really starting to creep me out with your cold blooded observations and I am as cynical as they come.

Seems to me you're making an under handed pass at the Trial Judge without having the guts to come out and say it.

If you are going to say it then bloody well say it, sick of your wordy lawyer manoevures alluding to things but not coming straight out with it.

Your observations about Allison Baden-Clay are about as lifeless as a shark's eyes just as they roll over.

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Reply #62 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 6:51pm

I actually have a house in the city in the suburb next to Brookfield.
My missus got several messages from Mr. Bayden Clay a few years ago. she tells me he was contacting every woman he could find in Brookfield, Kenmore, Pullenvale and anstead. he seemed quite insatiable.

3 questions.

if she hadn't have managed toscratch him, would he have gotten off?

surely his dna should have been found under her fingernails or does dna go off in 10 days?

is the mistress who is going on 60 minutes being paid for her interview?

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Reply #63 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:00pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

I actually have a house in the city in the suburb next to Brookfield.
My missus got several messages from Mr. Bayden Clay a few years ago. she tells me he was contacting every woman he could find in Brookfield, Kenmore, Pullenvale and anstead. he seemed quite insatiable.

3 questions.

if she hadn't have managed toscratch him, would he have gotten off?

surely his dna should have been found under her fingernails or does dna go off in 10 days?

is the mistress who is going on 60 minutes being paid for her interview?

IF your wife actually KNOWS something ... anything ... she really should front up and tell all. Otherwise, IF they ever find out ........ BIG PROBLEMS. Wink

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Reply #64 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:11pm

red baron wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 6:43pm:

Seems to me Aussie that you're a cynical jaded ex Lawyer who cares nothing for the evil Gerard Baden-Clay visited on his family. It wasn't only his wife who was a victim.

I may well be just that. However, your personal view of my persona hardly addresses the reality of the facts I have presented. Emotion has no place in that environment.

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You have set yourself up as THE EXPERT but you're not Aussie. You are really starting to creep me out with your cold blooded observations and I am as cynical as they come.

That's taking it over the top. I'm no expert (and I have ceratinly not 'set my self up' as one,) but I have had the necessary years of experience to make relevant observations. Whether I creep you or anyone else out is completely irrelevant. A Court Room (like an operating theatre) is the very place where cold blooded observations have to be made.

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Seems to me you're making an under handed pass at the Trial Judge without having the guts to come out and say it.

Dunno where you get that from. I have been addressing the state of the evidence so that I can explain why I say there is room for reasonable doubt.

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If you are going to say it then bloody well say it, sick of your wordy lawyer manoevures alluding to things but not coming straight out with it.

I think I've made it quite clear that I reckon there is ample room for reasonable doubt, and I have addressed each point (concerning the evidence) you have raised. It is telling that you have not been able to discredit those points I have made.

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Your observations about Allison Baden-Clay are about as lifeless as a shark's eyes just as they roll over.

I have not made even one observation about Allison Baden-Clay. I have addressed the evidence. All you have done is make the usual cry to emotion which has no place in this discussion about the Trail, the evidence and the outcome.

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Reply #65 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:12pm

red baron wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 2:48pm:

No, no, no, buzzanddidj, what you are trying to do is draw a line of association between the Chamberlain matter and the Baden-Clay matter.

There is no link whatsoever either by inference, association or fact.

Pardon my PRESUMPTION

- but I would have thought the test results of small flecks of a substance, in a CAR,declared by forensics to be the blood of a SPECIFIC PERSON
- was a DEFINATE "link" in circumstance ?

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Alinta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1470 Melbourne Gender:	Re: R.I.P. Allison Baden-Clay Reply #66 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:13pm just saying.........wish it had been a Judge only trial so we could read how the evidence was weighed up to reach a decision.....
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Reply #67 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:38pm

Alinta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

just saying.........wish it had been a Judge only trial so we could read how the evidence was weighed up to reach a decision.....

Justice John Byrne summed up, very appropriately and IF you have only just arrived here to bitch about stuff of which you have no clue, I'd suggest Google Judge Byrne Summation.

Aussie WAS just a solicitor. Wills, DUI and that sort of thing. He is not a Barrister and tends to only know some Queensland Law ..... anyone with half a brain knows more about various STATE LAWs than aussie does .....

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Reply #68 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:11pm

Neferti wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Alinta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

just saying.........wish it had been a Judge only trial so we could read how the evidence was weighed up to reach a decision.....

Justice John Byrne summed up, very appropriately and IF you have only just arrived here to bitch about stuff of which you have no clue, I'd suggest Google Judge Byrne Summation.

Aussie WAS just a solicitor. Wills, DUI and that sort of thing. He is not a Barrister and tends to only know some Queensland Law ..... anyone with half a brain knows more about various STATE LAWs than aussie does .....

bitching???? no clue???? no idea why you'd think that.......

Of course I've read Judge Byrne's sentencing summation...but that was not the point of my post.

I was referring to a Judge only trial where he/she determines guilt or otherwise and must provide the "Reasons for Judgement" statement. It is very detailed and enables understanding of how the judge reached verdict..........unlike this case where the jury reached its verdict but does not supply reasons.

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Re: R.I.P. Allison Baden-Clay
Reply #69 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:16pm

Alinta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:11pm:

Neferti wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Alinta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

just saying.........wish it had been a Judge only trial so we could read how the evidence was weighed up to reach a decision.....

Justice John Byrne summed up, very appropriately and IF you have only just arrived here to bitch about stuff of which you have no clue, I'd suggest Google Judge Byrne Summation.

Aussie WAS just a solicitor. Wills, DUI and that sort of thing. He is not a Barrister and tends to only know some Queensland Law ..... anyone with half a brain knows more about various STATE LAWs than aussie does .....

bitching???? no clue???? no idea why you'd think that.......

Of course I've read Judge Byrne's sentencing summation...but that was not the point of my post.

I was referring to a Judge only trial where he/she determines guilt or otherwise and must provide the "Reasons for Judgement" statement. It is very detailed and enables understanding of how the judge reached verdict..........unlike this case where the jury reached its verdict but does not supply reasons.

I think the reference was to his address prior to the Jury retiring. I'm nor sure where you get a reliable copy of that these days. Maybe you do, Alinta?

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Re: R.I.P. Allison Baden-Clay
Reply #70 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:18pm

Neferti wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:00pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

I actually have a house in the city in the suburb next to Brookfield.
My missus got several messages from Mr. Bayden Clay a few years ago. she tells me he was contacting every woman he could find in Brookfield, Kenmore, Pullenvale and anstead. he seemed quite insatiable.

3 questions.

if she hadn't have managed toscratch him, would he have gotten off?

surely his dna should have been found under her fingernails or does dna go off in 10 days?

is the mistress who is going on 60 minutes being paid for her interview?

IF your wife actually KNOWS something ... anything ... she really should front up and tell all. Otherwise, IF they ever find out ........ BIG PROBLEMS. Wink

He was on every internet dating site ever invented.
When the cops came to interview him he gave them his business card and talked real estate to them.
A total narcisist

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Re: R.I.P. Allison Baden-Clay
Reply #71 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:27pm

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surely his dna should have been found under her fingernails or does dna go off in 10 days?

Yeas, it should have been, if those were her scratch marks on his cheek. There was skin tissue under a nail of hers.......but it was not his.

That they could establish it was not his proves that DNA does not go off in ten days. I believe it never goes off.

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Re: R.I.P. Allison Baden-Clay
Reply #72 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:36pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Alinta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:11pm:

Neferti wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

Alinta wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

just saying.........wish it had been a Judge only trial so we could read how the evidence was weighed up to reach a decision.....

Justice John Byrne summed up, very appropriately and IF you have only just arrived here to bitch about stuff of which you have no clue, I'd suggest Google Judge Byrne Summation.

Aussie WAS just a solicitor. Wills, DUI and that sort of thing. He is not a Barrister and tends to only know some Queensland Law ..... anyone with half a brain knows more about various STATE LAWs than aussie does .....

bitching???? no clue???? no idea why you'd think that.......

Of course I've read Judge Byrne's sentencing summation...but that was not the point of my post.

I was referring to a Judge only trial where he/she determines guilt or otherwise and must provide the "Reasons for Judgement" statement. It is very detailed and enables understanding of how the judge reached verdict..........unlike this case where the jury reached its verdict but does not supply reasons.

I think the reference was to his address prior to the Jury retiring. I'm nor sure where you get a reliable copy of that these days. Maybe you do, Alinta?

I read that one a few days ago Aussie...........think I googled something like "Judge Byrne directions to jury"............the site quoted by Neferti contains the same info....

Still not the point on which I made my original comment..........

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Re: R.I.P. Allison Baden-Clay
Reply #74 - Jul 17^th, 2014 at 8:25am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

Neferti wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:00pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

I actually have a house in the city in the suburb next to Brookfield.
My missus got several messages from Mr. Bayden Clay a few years ago. she tells me he was contacting every woman he could find in Brookfield, Kenmore, Pullenvale and anstead. he seemed quite insatiable.

3 questions.

if she hadn't have managed toscratch him, would he have gotten off?

surely his dna should have been found under her fingernails or does dna go off in 10 days?

is the mistress who is going on 60 minutes being paid for her interview?

IF your wife actually KNOWS something ... anything ... she really should front up and tell all. Otherwise, IF they ever find out ........ BIG PROBLEMS. Wink

He was on every internet dating site ever invented.
When the cops came to interview him he gave them his business card and talked real estate to them.
A total narcisist

for all we know..his wife may have found out more than we have been told.. [two mistresses]

his comments he was only f. her because of the business sounds more than typical of what this person was REALLY like....

he did try to claim he was a boy scout after all.. Roll Eyes

the man was living in the shadows sex with anyone massive debt...about to lose his business.....which kept him in high prestige in the town...a lot going on.plus the women who was demanding he divorce his wife..knocked back from getting a large loan..seems like a lot of cowards it was all his wifes fault. Angry

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