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Question: Who can we blame for the war in Gaza?

Israel    
  3 (21.4%)
Hamas    
  6 (42.9%)
Palestinians    
  0 (0.0%)
The USA    
  1 (7.1%)
Egypt    
  0 (0.0%)
Iran    
  0 (0.0%)
All of the above    
  2 (14.3%)
Freemasons    
  2 (14.3%)




Total votes: 14
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Reply #345 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 8:48am
 
Jews are only after hamas, honest.

They would never shoot a muslim pregnant lady, jews are respectable.


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Reply #346 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 8:49am
 
It seems the Gazans have caught themselves a soldier.

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Reply #347 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 8:50am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 1st, 2014 at 9:09pm:
Your cool headed 'big picture' is genocide.

Think about that.


(Annie's got her gun ~ and she's mad as hell and she's NOT going to take it any more ... )

As Soren has already pointed out ~ this entire scenario of 1000+ civilian casualties (so far) was planned by Hamas as a cynical propaganda exercise designed to elicit the sympathy of those who are incapable of looking beyond the spectacle of injured children and wailing mothers.

To his credit, Bob Hawke initiated a Labor Party pogrom in which he expelled the ALP's Leftwing luvvies who were ideologically committed to NEVER admitting that Israel might in fact be correct with some of its responses to Palestinian aggression.

Bob Hawke recognised that there are certain set-in-cement mentalities that have no wish to view these issues with dispassionate and unbiassed impartiality.

Hysterical emotionalism clouds their judgment of who is really responsible for the unintentional atrocities. Maternal instincts freeze the cerebral cortex where the Higher Intelligence centres are located.  Cool

In some cases the female cerebral cortex suffers a triple-bypass due to the nurturing instincts only concerning itself with emotionalism and feel-good empathy.

(ie. ""Men must fight and women must weep" Essay on Gender Roles.)

According to the papers it's the likes of Bob Carr and Bill Shorten who are now at the political forefront of those who want to condemn Israel out of hand while whitewashing Hamas as being innocent of all wrongdoing and accountability.

 


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Reply #349 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 9:15am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 9:08am:



The best way Israel can help wounded Palestinian children is to stop dropping bombs on them. They could also not bomb their electrical infrastructure so that they can keep their hospital machines running and keep things like vaccinations cool. They could end the blockade and allow enough food and medicine into Gaza. In the year 2000, the UNRWC had 80,000 people relying on them for food. Now it is over 800,000.
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Reply #350 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 9:17am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 9:15am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 9:08am:



The best way Israel can help wounded Palestinian children is to stop dropping bombs on them. They could also not bomb their electrical infrastructure so that they can keep their hospital machines running and keep things like vaccinations cool. They could end the blockade and allow enough food and medicine into Gaza. In the year 2000, the UNRWC had 80,000 people relying on them for food. Now it is over 800,000.


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Reply #351 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 10:05am
 
What did Hamas do with all the billions of aid money? Bought Iranian rockets and built tunnels.
Not the hard work of nation building for them.



Hamas built a vast warren of underground bunkers to protect its rockets and its own personnel. It also built dozens of cross-border tunnels dedicated solely to launching attacks inside Israel; the IDF has so far located 28–each of which runs for miles, deep underground, requiring hundreds of tons of cement and millions of dollars to build–and doesn’t think it has found them all. Yet Hamas built no hospitals, schools, power plants, or even bomb shelters to serve the general population; where such institutions exist, they were built either by Israel (when it controlled Gaza) or the international community.

Hamas built much of its underground warren with materials smuggled in from Egypt. But Israel’s lifting of restrictions last year undoubtedly helped. And even before that, Israel allowed huge quantities of dual-use products to be imported for projects supervised by the UN, Western governments, or international aid agencies, who were supposed to ensure that Hamas didn’t use them for its terrorist infrastructure. Given the sheer size of the tunnel network, it now seems likely that Hamas siphoned off some of this material, too–just as it has repeatedly stored rockets in UNRWA schools despite that organization’s stated objections.

Had Hamas not been able to build these tunnels, Israeli ground troops wouldn’t be in Gaza trying to destroy them. And had Israeli troops not been in Gaza, the hundreds of Palestinians wounded or killed in the Hamas-Israel crossfire would be unharmed, while the hundreds of homes damaged or destroyed in the fighting, or in the demolition of tunnels that run right under them, would still be standing.

In other words, in its well-meaning effort to improve Palestinian lives by demanding that Israel end its import restrictions, the international community helped Hamas build a massive terrorist infrastructure that has now brought death and destruction down on Gaza.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/07/24/how-the-west-helped-hamas-build-its...
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Reply #352 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 10:40am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 9:15am:
They could also not bomb their electrical infrastructure so that they can keep their hospital machines running and keep things like vaccinations cool.


With the billions of misguided financial aid they've been receiving over the years ... they couldn't buy a system of back-up generators?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 9:15am:
They could end the blockade and allow enough food and medicine into Gaza.


What?

They could afford to stockpile thousands of rockets, but they couldn't afford to stockpile tinned food to keep themselves alive for a few weeks?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 9:15am:
In the year 2000, the UNRWC had 80,000 people relying on them for food. Now it is over 800,000.


The dole has the remarkable effect of increasing the number of people who want to access its effortless benefits.

The UN would be a lot more realistic if it offered these Third World mendicant nations free condoms, Morning After pills, and tube-tying services.

The poorer the country, the more swarms of brats you see jumping up and down in front of the news cameras.

I wouldn't suggest culling, but ...   Cool

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Reply #353 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 11:17am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 9:15am:
The best way Israel can help wounded Palestinian children is to stop dropping bombs on them. They could also not bomb their electrical infrastructure so that they can keep their hospital machines running and keep things like vaccinations cool. They could end the blockade and allow enough food and medicine into Gaza. In the year 2000, the UNRWC had 80,000 people relying on them for food. Now it is over 800,000.


Electricity?

" ... Electricity bill

Another issue that the parties discussed is the Palestinians’ debt to the Israel Electric Company, which recently surpassed one billion shekels (283 million USD). The debt continues to grow at the rate of NIS 60-80 million (17-22.6 million USD) a month. A way must be found to cover the debt and to increase the PA’s tax-collecting efficiency while stopping the monthly growth of the debt.

Transfer of tax money

Since March 2013, Israel has been transferring tax money that it regularly collects at the beginning of each month on behalf of the PA. Since the beginning of the year, Israel has transferred to the PA about 850 million USD in tax money (after subtracting payment for electricity, water and health services).

When the PA experienced a budget crisis in the second half of 2012, Israel transferred to the PA an “advance” of NIS 900 (over $254) million to help it pay salaries to its employees. As of today, the Palestinians have NIS 560 million of these advance payments still to pay off. ... " 


http://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Peace/Humanitarian/Pages/Economic-situation-...

Aid?

" ... KEY FIGURES 2011

TOTAL ASSISTANCE: US$2.4 billion

HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE: US$849 million

COST OF MULTILATERAL PEACEKEEPING OPERATIONS: US$12 million

GOVERNMENT REVENUES: No data

FAST FACTS :

West Bank and Gaza Strip was the third largest recipient of official humanitarian assistance in 2011
West Bank and Gaza Strip has experienced active conflict in each of the ten years between 2002 and 2011
Classified as a fragile state, 2012
Vulnerability index score, 2012-2013: Medium. ... "


http://www.globalhumanitarianassistance.org/countryprofile/palestineopt

Disproportionate response?

" ... These are lists of rocket and mortar attacks on Israel by Palestinian militant groups.

2000s[edit]
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2001
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2002–2006
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2007
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2008
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2009
2010s[edit]
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2010
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2011
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2012
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2013
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2014 ... "


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel


This latest conflict is hardly about three kidnapped and murdered Israeli teenagers.

Of the 15,047 rocket and mortar attacks against Israel in the last thirteen years, of the 3,055 attacks in 2014, 2,874 have been launched this month alone.

In all likelyhood, the principal reason for Israel's ground force  deployment into Gaza is the destruction of the extensive tunnel system expressly designed to allow terrorist incursions into Israel's home ground. Israel has repeatedly stated that will not leave Gaza until this objective has been realised.

To put this into perspective, this year, Malaysia Airlines has killed half as many, and soon, Ebola will have killed just as many, as the civilian casualties in this conflict.

This conflict, which Hamas not only started, but has been actively pursuing for years.

But, of course, it's all the Jews fault, isn't it?


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Reply #354 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 11:29am
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 11:17am:
Another issue that the parties discussed is the Palestinians’ debt to the Israel Electric Company, which recently surpassed one billion shekels (283 million USD). The debt continues to grow at the rate of NIS 60-80 million (17-22.6 million USD) a month. A way must be found to cover the debt and to increase the PA’s tax-collecting efficiency while stopping the monthly growth of the debt.



Why are the Palestinian's in debt to the Israelis for electricity?

Could it be because the Israelis destroy Palestinian infrastructure every couple of years?

In breaking news, Israel is about to bomb Shifa hospital. They will target a building of the hospital that is being used for the overflow of patients from the main emergency ward.

As I type, staff are frantically trying to evacuate the already wounded patients from the hospital.

An American activist working in al-Shifa:

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“I’d like to say that Israel’s threats to bomb Gaza’s largest hospital have reached a new low, but in light of its relentless atrocities and civilian massacres over the last 25 days, it’s hardly unexpected,”
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Reply #355 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 11:47am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 11:29am:
In breaking news, Israel is about to bomb Shifa hospital. They will target a building of the hospital that is being used for the overflow of patients from the main emergency ward.

As I type, staff are frantically trying to evacuate the already wounded patients from the hospital.

An American activist working in al-Shifa:

“I’d like to say that Israel’s threats to bomb Gaza’s largest hospital have reached a new low, but in light of its relentless atrocities and civilian massacres over the last 25 days, it’s hardly unexpected,”



" ...Israeli military announce they will bomb al-Shifa hospital in Gaza
International Solidarity Movement on August 1, 2014

Al-Shifa hospital has received a phone call telling them a building of the hospital will be bombed.

At 16:30, the hospital received a call from an unlisted number, stating a building needed to be evacuated immediately.

The building is being used for overflow patients, and is directly across the road from the main hospital building. It is part of the hospital site, but building work has yet to be completed.

The hospital is now in the process of evacuating all staff and patients inside.

“I’d like to say that Israel’s threats to bomb Gaza’s largest hospital have reached a new low, but in light of its relentless atrocities and civilian massacres over the last 25 days, it’s hardly unexpected,” stated Joe Catron, U.S. International Solidarity Movement (ISM) activist now in al-Shifa hospital. ... "

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/military-announce-hospital.html

From the same page:

" The International Solidarity Movement (ISM) is a Palestinian-led movement committed to resisting the Israeli apartheid in Palestine by using nonviolent, direct-action methods and principles. "


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Reply #356 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 11:54am
 
Lionel, are you saying this is just Palestinian propaganda and Israel is not going to bomb the hospital?
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Reply #357 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 12:05pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 11:54am:
Lionel, are you saying this is just Palestinian propaganda and Israel is not going to bomb the hospital?



Lionel is putting off answering you because he knows that in a couple of hours it will either be proven to be true or not.

Lionel, I can't express how much I hope I'm proven wrong and that this is a piece of propaganda as you suggest.
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Reply #358 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 12:09pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 11:54am:
Lionel, are you saying this is just Palestinian propaganda and Israel is not going to bomb the hospital?


Not at all. According to that source, they have already announced their intention to do so. Now we'll have to wait and see what unfolds.

Note:

* Forewarned!

And I'd be MOST interested in discovering the reason why the Israelis feel the need to bomb a hospital building.

I could possibly suggest a couple of reasons, but I seriously doubt that their main objective is to add to the rising civilian casualty list.

And I just heard on the radio that Hamas has, once again, violated another truce-fire.

T'would appear the the evacuation of that hospital will have to be attempted without Hamas' help.

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Reply #359 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 12:17pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 12:05pm:
... Lionel, I can't express how much I hope I'm proven wrong and that this is a piece of propaganda as you suggest.


As do I.

I have tremendous sympathy for those innocent Gazans caught up in this conflict. I liken it to those who are under threat from this recent Ebola outbreak - a deadly threat that has erupted in your local area over which you have absolutely no control and one that has a high probability of a fatal outcome for some in your neighbourhood.

I don't blame the innocents.

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