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Question: Who can we blame for the war in Gaza?

Israel    
  3 (21.4%)
Hamas    
  6 (42.9%)
Palestinians    
  0 (0.0%)
The USA    
  1 (7.1%)
Egypt    
  0 (0.0%)
Iran    
  0 (0.0%)
All of the above    
  2 (14.3%)
Freemasons    
  2 (14.3%)




Total votes: 14
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Reply #375 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:04pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 5:58pm:
Yadda wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 4:40pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 2:20pm:

This is a war with huge civilian casualties.......I don’t understand why any civilized person would seek to minimize or deflect from the fact that innocent people are being massacred by Israel.

Israel has every right to defend itself from Palestinian rockets. It doesn’t have the right to massacre an entire population. Israel is currently breaking international law and breaching UN resolutions. You might disagree with the resolutions, but no one can pretend Israel isn’t violating them.





Hamas in its charter promotes murder and genocide.
Hamas and Fatah leaders have publicly declared these things;

[about the Jews and about Hamas]; "they love life and we love death"

[about their own children]; "Our children are our glory and honor, they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine, and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."


Demanding that Israel does not 'shoot back' - whenever Hamas militants are found to be crouching behind a woman who is holding a small child in her arms - is choosing to surrender to Hamas's terrorist tactics, and is giving Hamas terrorists immunity in their 'freedom fighting' violence.
Bibi explains it better that i can....


Israeli PM Netanyahu on CNN - FULL INTERVIEW 7_27_2014
                 goto 7m 05s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pximx9vbXtE





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Hamas's military tactics require an Israeli military response, even when everyone - including Israel - know, that Israel's military response will result in Gazan civilian casualties.

Hamas is counting upon world public opinion to censure Israel, for those casualties.

While Hamas itself cares less, about any world public opinion criticism that comes to its own doorstep.

And why should it ?

Because when the dust settles, and the reconstruction aid, from the world community will once again begin to flow - that aid will flow through Hamas's own hands, with the Hamas organisation able to surreptitiously direct large amounts of that aid into building military infrastructure, which will once again be used in its next conflict with Israel.



And yet, Palestinian children don’t vote.

Nor did the children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Your replies are no more than abstractions. This is a war, and it needs to end.
Same thing in Syria. Let's hope nutjob males with guns stop turning the world to crap.
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Reply #376 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:12pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 5:47pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 3:23pm:
Gaza no longer has a university because it has been destroyed by Israelis.

Gaza no longer has a power station because it has been destroyed by Israelis.

Israel is committing a huge war crime in Gaza and the population is captive in a concentration camp and the Israelis are slowly killing the inhabitants.


That's quite interesting. Can you provide a link to that story. The only reference I can find to Gaza Uni being bombed is from 2008.


Get cable TV and you can stay informed. They showed it about 10 times on CNN this morning.

Israeli ambassador to UN imploded when CNN interviewer told him that CNN tries to present a balanced view and not just be Israel's disinformation service.

Ambassador was livid and has probably rushed home to put CNN's studio on IDF's hit list.
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Reply #377 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:23pm
 
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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #378 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:30pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 5:58pm:
And yet, Palestinian children don’t vote.

Nor did the children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Your replies are no more than abstractions. This is a war, and it needs to end.


There are non-voting children casualties in almost every war.

Where's the international condemnation for war of any description? Where's the UN and intervention?

There are 78 'wars' in the world at the moment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2014

What's the bet that there are children at risk in every one?

So why the MSM focus on Gaza and the tactics of Israel? The whole thing's been done to death. Everybody knows that after the cessation of overt hostilities this time, there'll be a repeat.

And where's the coverage of the other 77?

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Reply #379 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:31pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:12pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 5:47pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 3:23pm:
Gaza no longer has a university because it has been destroyed by Israelis.

Gaza no longer has a power station because it has been destroyed by Israelis.

Israel is committing a huge war crime in Gaza and the population is captive in a concentration camp and the Israelis are slowly killing the inhabitants.


That's quite interesting. Can you provide a link to that story. The only reference I can find to Gaza Uni being bombed is from 2008.


Get cable TV and you can stay informed. They showed it about 10 times on CNN this morning.

Israeli ambassador to UN imploded when CNN interviewer told him that CNN tries to present a balanced view and not just be Israel's disinformation service.

Ambassador was livid and has probably rushed home to put CNN's studio on IDF's hit list.


I found one with Mark Lamont arguing with a Harvard Law Professor. Is that the one?
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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #380 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:31pm
 
That’s right, Shakey. The Syrian civil war started with the discovery of the bodies of children, tortured and killed by the Assad regime.

Unlike Saddam, Assad - an "Axis of Evil" dictator - is not going to be toppled any time soon.
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Reply #381 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:32pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 3:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:
I think Hamas is firing rockets to deliberately get hit back by the Jews.

This is to show wounded children on TV & win the propaganda war




a war of propaganda... are you serious bobby??.. have you watched the news..?.. the Gaza is almost flat...

Israel is a BIG COUNTRY it has lots of money and lots of weapons the Hamas are like a flea on a dog...

and they are fighting a very BIG UGLY DOG....so you had better believe this isnt propaganda...Israel has had a gutfull... they have sent warnings they do not pretend to turn a blind eye.. then bang your dead....

they go about it very matter of fact.... they are prepared to live with the enemy....they even employed the Palestinians who crossed the border every day....no trouble... unless they had a bomb strapped on them...come on its stupid to claim its only the Israelis that are the aggressors.




Yes a war of propaganda.

Hamas is winning that part of the war.
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Reply #382 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:34pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:31pm:
That’s right, Shakey. The Syrian civil war started with the discovery of the bodies of children, tortured and killed by the Assad regime.

Unlike Saddam, Assad - an "Axis of Evil" dictator - is not going to be toppled any time soon.
Aren't  the rebel side religious nuts who want a caliphate with limited rights for minorities???
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Reply #383 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:41pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:32pm:
cods wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 3:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:
I think Hamas is firing rockets to deliberately get hit back by the Jews.

This is to show wounded children on TV & win the propaganda war




a war of propaganda... are you serious bobby??.. have you watched the news..?.. the Gaza is almost flat...

Israel is a BIG COUNTRY it has lots of money and lots of weapons the Hamas are like a flea on a dog...

and they are fighting a very BIG UGLY DOG....so you had better believe this isnt propaganda...Israel has had a gutfull... they have sent warnings they do not pretend to turn a blind eye.. then bang your dead....

they go about it very matter of fact.... they are prepared to live with the enemy....they even employed the Palestinians who crossed the border every day....no trouble... unless they had a bomb strapped on them...come on its stupid to claim its only the Israelis that are the aggressors.




Yes a war of propaganda.

Hamas is winning that part of the war.


You've got to be kidding.
Israel are masters of propaganda in a way that the likes of Goebbels would have creamed their pantaloons had they be able to imagine even a fraction of it.
Israel, thanks to a media blitz and a press office staffed with dozens of potential Oscar nominees, gets to go on an utter kill fest not seen since the days of the armoured Waffen SS rolling up to a rickety old Russian village - and all the world can say is "tutt tutt, fair crack of the whip, old chaps" while the US nods its head approvingly and throws them another half billion to keep themselves loaded with ammo.
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Reply #384 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:45pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:32pm:
cods wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 3:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:
I think Hamas is firing rockets to deliberately get hit back by the Jews.

This is to show wounded children on TV & win the propaganda war




a war of propaganda... are you serious bobby??.. have you watched the news..?.. the Gaza is almost flat...

Israel is a BIG COUNTRY it has lots of money and lots of weapons the Hamas are like a flea on a dog...

and they are fighting a very BIG UGLY DOG....so you had better believe this isnt propaganda...Israel has had a gutfull... they have sent warnings they do not pretend to turn a blind eye.. then bang your dead....

they go about it very matter of fact.... they are prepared to live with the enemy....they even employed the Palestinians who crossed the border every day....no trouble... unless they had a bomb strapped on them...come on its stupid to claim its only the Israelis that are the aggressors.




Yes a war of propaganda.

Hamas is winning that part of the war.


You've got to be kidding.
Israel are masters of propaganda in a way that the likes of Goebbels would have creamed their pantaloons had they be able to imagine even a fraction of it.
Israel, thanks to a media blitz and a press office staffed with dozens of potential Oscar nominees, gets to go on an utter kill fest not seen since the days of the armoured Waffen SS rolling up to a rickety old Russian village - and all the world can say is "tutt tutt, fair crack of the whip, old chaps" while the US nods its head approvingly and throws them another half billion to keep themselves loaded with ammo.



Wrong -

not when you see all the pictures of injured & dying children.
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Reply #385 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:47pm
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:30pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 5:58pm:
And yet, Palestinian children don’t vote.

Nor did the children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Your replies are no more than abstractions. This is a war, and it needs to end.


There are non-voting children casualties in almost every war.

Where's the international condemnation for war of any description? Where's the UN and intervention?

There are 78 'wars' in the world at the moment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2014

What's the bet that there are children at risk in every one?

So why the MSM focus on Gaza and the tactics of Israel? The whole thing's been done to death. Everybody knows that after the cessation of overt hostilities this time, there'll be a repeat.

And where's the coverage of the other 77?



The Israel/Palestine conflict presents the biggest security risk in the world. It’s an ongoing conflict amidst the world’s main source of oil. Israel is a nuclear power. Israel continues to occupy territories seized in 1967. It is surrounded by countries that hate Israel’s guts. There’s a new war every few years.

Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - all pussies. Israel is the big one. Solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and you will release the biggest source of tension in the world.
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Reply #386 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:49pm
 
Shakey wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:34pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:31pm:
That’s right, Shakey. The Syrian civil war started with the discovery of the bodies of children, tortured and killed by the Assad regime.

Unlike Saddam, Assad - an "Axis of Evil" dictator - is not going to be toppled any time soon.
Aren't  the rebel side religious nuts who want a caliphate with limited rights for minorities???


Sure. And they’re fighting George Bush’s war for him.

Cunning, no?
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Reply #387 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:53pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:32pm:
Yes a war of propaganda.

Hamas is winning that part of the war.


Not so.

An orchestrated coalition of leftwing media organisations has been working 24/7 to propagandise this little stoush as the Palestinians being the innocent victims of Israeli aggression ... instead of it being a retaliatory action against an enemy that hides its weaponry in amongst the civilian population.

Those who are literate and have been reading the footnotes to this policing action are under no illusions as to who started this, and why civilian targets in Gaza is where the tunnels begin and where the rocketry is stockpiled.

"Asked about the incursion, Abbott responded, “We certainly support Israel’s right to exist. We support Israel’s right to self-defence and we deplore the attacks on Israel from Gaza. Now I don’t have any further detail on what may or may not be happening at the moment. All I know is that Israel is regularly rocketed from Gaza. That shouldn’t happen.”

Abbott: ‘Israel’s right to self defence’ | The Australian Jewish News


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Reply #388 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:53pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:49pm:
Shakey wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:34pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:31pm:
That’s right, Shakey. The Syrian civil war started with the discovery of the bodies of children, tortured and killed by the Assad regime.

Unlike Saddam, Assad - an "Axis of Evil" dictator - is not going to be toppled any time soon.
Aren't  the rebel side religious nuts who want a caliphate with limited rights for minorities???


Sure. And they’re fighting George Bush’s war for him.

Cunning, no?
I doubt the American's want Al-Qaeda in power anywhere. Is it true there is an radical islamic offensive spreading right through that part of the world at this moment?? One that's heading right at the Jews.
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Reply #389 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:54pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:45pm:
Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 6:32pm:
cods wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 3:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:
I think Hamas is firing rockets to deliberately get hit back by the Jews.

This is to show wounded children on TV & win the propaganda war




a war of propaganda... are you serious bobby??.. have you watched the news..?.. the Gaza is almost flat...

Israel is a BIG COUNTRY it has lots of money and lots of weapons the Hamas are like a flea on a dog...

and they are fighting a very BIG UGLY DOG....so you had better believe this isnt propaganda...Israel has had a gutfull... they have sent warnings they do not pretend to turn a blind eye.. then bang your dead....

they go about it very matter of fact.... they are prepared to live with the enemy....they even employed the Palestinians who crossed the border every day....no trouble... unless they had a bomb strapped on them...come on its stupid to claim its only the Israelis that are the aggressors.




Yes a war of propaganda.

Hamas is winning that part of the war.


You've got to be kidding.
Israel are masters of propaganda in a way that the likes of Goebbels would have creamed their pantaloons had they be able to imagine even a fraction of it.
Israel, thanks to a media blitz and a press office staffed with dozens of potential Oscar nominees, gets to go on an utter kill fest not seen since the days of the armoured Waffen SS rolling up to a rickety old Russian village - and all the world can say is "tutt tutt, fair crack of the whip, old chaps" while the US nods its head approvingly and throws them another half billion to keep themselves loaded with ammo.



Wrong -

not when you see all the pictures of injured & dying children.



So you're saying that Hamas are winning because they get to show the world pictures of the children that Israel maim?

You don't know what you're talking about. If you want a visual of what's really happening in Gaza, you need to search it out. You're not going to get it on CNN, Bobby. On CNN you'll get sanitised images that attempt to dehumanise the vicims.

That's another piece of Israeli bullshit propaganda that all the Zionists seem to swallow eagerly - that Hamas don't love their children. It's pretty effective Othering. Our own govt used it to good effect in the children overboard farce.
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