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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #30 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:05am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

wally1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

http://i.imgur.com/WEjscPX.jpg

That map is seriously flawed Walid, if you want to use maps for propaganda they should be accurate or you will lose all credibility.

It shows Gaza and the West bank being Palestinian land despite the fact Egypt occupied Gaza and Jordan occupied the West bank,Egypt lost Gaza to Israel in the 1967 6 day war,Jordan lost the West bank to Israel in the 1967 6 day war.

Does your map show when Israel gave Gaza back, why does it omit this fact?

Does your map show the Israeli wall they built to keep terrorists out or does it omit this fact?

What do you see when you type "Israeli wall" into google and click on images?

The map shows Gaza in Palestinian hands.
Are you on the bottle?

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #31 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:17am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Gizmo,
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Forgiven for listening to conspiraloon theories instead of thinking.

bomshanka

Someone with an open mind would listen to all theories

& then make up their mind as to what was the most credible.

Only a fool would believe what the mainstream media rams down their throat.

forgiven

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Which IS what I do Bobby.
That's why I discount the nutbag theory about Tel Aviv ordering the plane shot down.

one may suppose you think bin laden did 9/11

this is a reflection of your sychophanatacisms

which is clear as christal

carry on regardless

namaste

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #32 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:22am

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Gizmo,
Quote:

Forgiven for listening to conspiraloon theories instead of thinking.

bomshanka

Someone with an open mind would listen to all theories

& then make up their mind as to what was the most credible.

Only a fool would believe what the mainstream media rams down their throat.

forgiven

namaste

Which IS what I do Bobby.
That's why I discount the nutbag theory about Tel Aviv ordering the plane shot down.

one may suppose you think bin laden did 9/11

this is a reflection of your sychophanatacisms

which is clear as christal

carry on regardless

namaste

Dear master Light,
Gizmo is an alcohol affected being.

Try not to be angry with him.

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #33 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:23am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:05am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

wally1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

http://i.imgur.com/WEjscPX.jpg

That map is seriously flawed Walid, if you want to use maps for propaganda they should be accurate or you will lose all credibility.

It shows Gaza and the West bank being Palestinian land despite the fact Egypt occupied Gaza and Jordan occupied the West bank,Egypt lost Gaza to Israel in the 1967 6 day war,Jordan lost the West bank to Israel in the 1967 6 day war.

Does your map show when Israel gave Gaza back, why does it omit this fact?

Does your map show the Israeli wall they built to keep terrorists out or does it omit this fact?

What do you see when you type "Israeli wall" into google and click on images?

The map shows Gaza in Palestinian hands.
Are you on the bottle?

http://i.imgur.com/WEjscPX.jpg

From 1946 to 1967 Egypt controlled Gaza,From 1946 to 1967 the West bank was controlled by Jordan.

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #34 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:29am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:23am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:05am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

wally1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

http://i.imgur.com/WEjscPX.jpg

That map is seriously flawed Walid, if you want to use maps for propaganda they should be accurate or you will lose all credibility.

It shows Gaza and the West bank being Palestinian land despite the fact Egypt occupied Gaza and Jordan occupied the West bank,Egypt lost Gaza to Israel in the 1967 6 day war,Jordan lost the West bank to Israel in the 1967 6 day war.

Does your map show when Israel gave Gaza back, why does it omit this fact?

Does your map show the Israeli wall they built to keep terrorists out or does it omit this fact?

What do you see when you type "Israeli wall" into google and click on images?

The map shows Gaza in Palestinian hands.
Are you on the bottle?

http://i.imgur.com/WEjscPX.jpg

From 1946 to 1967 Egypt controlled Gaza,From 1946 to 1967 the West bank was controlled by Jordan.

So what? - Gaza is clearly shown in Palestinian hands
yet your statements say the map is wrong.

you are forgiven

namaste

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #35 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:33am

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:29am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:23am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:05am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

wally1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

http://i.imgur.com/WEjscPX.jpg

That map is seriously flawed Walid, if you want to use maps for propaganda they should be accurate or you will lose all credibility.

It shows Gaza and the West bank being Palestinian land despite the fact Egypt occupied Gaza and Jordan occupied the West bank,Egypt lost Gaza to Israel in the 1967 6 day war,Jordan lost the West bank to Israel in the 1967 6 day war.

Does your map show when Israel gave Gaza back, why does it omit this fact?

Does your map show the Israeli wall they built to keep terrorists out or does it omit this fact?

What do you see when you type "Israeli wall" into google and click on images?

The map shows Gaza in Palestinian hands.
Are you on the bottle?

http://i.imgur.com/WEjscPX.jpg

From 1946 to 1967 Egypt controlled Gaza,From 1946 to 1967 the West bank was controlled by Jordan.

So what? - Gaza is clearly shown in Palestinian hands
yet your statements say the map is wrong.

you are forgiven

namaste

Gaza was in Egyptian hands not Palestinian hands from 46-67, does the map show Israel controlling Gaza from 1967 to 2005?

Blind freddy can see the flaws in that map for propaganda.

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #36 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:46pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Gizmo,
Quote:

Forgiven for listening to conspiraloon theories instead of thinking.

bomshanka

Someone with an open mind would listen to all theories

& then make up their mind as to what was the most credible.

Only a fool would believe what the mainstream media rams down their throat.

forgiven

namaste

Which IS what I do Bobby.
That's why I discount the nutbag theory about Tel Aviv ordering the plane shot down.

one may suppose you think bin laden did 9/11

this is a reflection of your sychophanatacisms

which is clear as christal

carry on regardless

namaste

Well it's certainly more likely than the convoluted machinations required for the alternative theories..

p.s the term is crystal clear

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #37 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

wally1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

http://i.imgur.com/WEjscPX.jpg

Nice picture/s Wally, however the first one on the left which is the sole basis for the next two is wrong.
The land was known from 1917 onwards as the British Protectorate of Palestine, not just Palestine as your defective pictures show, a region which was ably administered by the British oddly enough.
They seized it off the Ottoman Empire in 1917 who were known as the Eastern Roman Empire before they turned Muslim in the 9th century AD.
And before that, the Roman Empire administered the region long before Christ was born.
And it goes right back to the time of the Persians, a time when Greece was a collection of city states.
There has never been a country called "Palestine", and never will be.
There was however a King of Israel 4000 years ago.

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #39 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:17pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 2:01pm:

wally1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

http://i.imgur.com/WEjscPX.jpg

Nice picture/s Wally, however the first one on the left which is the sole basis for the next two is wrong.
The land was known from 1917 onwards as the British Protectorate of Palestine, not just Palestine as your defective pictures show, a region which was ably administered by the British oddly enough.
They seized it off the Ottoman Empire in 1917 who were known as the Eastern Roman Empire before they turned Muslim in the 9th century AD.
And before that, the Roman Empire administered the region long before Christ was born.
And it goes right back to the time of the Persians, a time when Greece was a collection of city states.
There has never been a country called "Palestine", and never will be.
There was however a King of Israel 4000 years ago.

Isn't it true that Palestinians had been living near the Wailing wall for over 200 years &
that the Israelis bulldozed their houses?

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #40 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 2:01pm:

wally1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

http://i.imgur.com/WEjscPX.jpg

Nice picture/s Wally, however the first one on the left which is the sole basis for the next two is wrong.
The land was known from 1917 onwards as the British Protectorate of Palestine, not just Palestine as your defective pictures show, a region which was ably administered by the British oddly enough.
They seized it off the Ottoman Empire in 1917 who were known as the Eastern Roman Empire before they turned Muslim in the 9th century AD.
And before that, the Roman Empire administered the region long before Christ was born.
And it goes right back to the time of the Persians, a time when Greece was a collection of city states.
There has never been a country called "Palestine", and never will be.
There was however a King of Israel 4000 years ago.

Isn't it true that Palestinians had been living near the Wailing wall for over 200 years &
that the Israelis bulldozed their houses?

Yes, that is true.
Just as true when the Israelis bulldozed the homes of the Israelis who were forced from their homes when Gaza was mistakenly handed over to the terrorists when Israel thought they could trade land for peace.
And all they have ever received since is missiles launched at Israeli towns.
They have since learnt Hamas will never honour any agreement with the Jews.
History has shown they should never have handed Gaza back in 2005.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106271 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Israel invades Gaza Reply #41 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:47pm Isn't it true that Palestinians had been living near the Wailing wall for over 200 years & that the Israelis bulldozed their houses? Yes, that is true. Well it wasn't a very nice thing to do.
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Reply #42 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 11:17am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 10:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Gizmo,
Quote:

Forgiven for listening to conspiraloon theories instead of thinking.

bomshanka

Someone with an open mind would listen to all theories

& then make up their mind as to what was the most credible.

Only a fool would believe what the mainstream media rams down their throat.

forgiven

namaste

Which IS what I do Bobby.
That's why I discount the nutbag theory about Tel Aviv ordering the plane shot down.

one may suppose you think bin laden did 9/11

this is a reflection of your sychophanatacisms

which is clear as christal

carry on regardless

namaste

Well it's certainly more likely than the convoluted machinations required for the alternative theories..

p.s the term is crystal clear

for those who believe nothing.. then history will be in an even worse mess than it is now.. everything is recorded even setting the alarm clock is recorded somewhere..historians in 200 years will have a terrible time deciding who or what was telling the truth..

we watch it as it happens every night on our TV.. yet we are now told not to believe any of it.. Roll Eyes

we no longer have artists painting history and hiding the paintings for dozens of years..

so just who do we believe.??? are the cameras filming said atrocities not really doing so Roll Eyes

its all Hollywood illusion???

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #43 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 10:05am

cods wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 9:12am:

for those who believe nothing.. then history will be in an even worse mess than it is now.. everything is recorded even setting the alarm clock is recorded somewhere..historians in 200 years will have a terrible time deciding who or what was telling the truth..

we watch it as it happens every night on our TV.. yet we are now told not to believe any of it.. Roll Eyes

we no longer have artists painting history and hiding the paintings for dozens of years..

so just who do we believe.???

are the cameras filming said atrocities not really doing so its all Hollywood illusion???

cods,

Because some areas in Gaza, are where military activity - directed against Israeli civilian areas - is coming from - Israel has OPENLY AND PUBLICLY declared to Gazans that Israel is declaring those areas of Gaza to be 'hot' military zones.

And Israel has - OPENLY AND PUBLICLY - advised all civilian residents of those areas, to leave those areas.

But it is also being reported, that Hamas is telling [is ordering?] local residents of these areas - NOT TO AID ISRAEL - BY EVACUATING those areas.

cods,

QUESTION;
Are these truths, all a Hollywood illusion too???

cods,

QUESTION;
Because Hamas cadres choose to 'hide behind' many of their own women and children - while they [Hamas] launch rockets against population centres in Israel - [the argument being made by some] is that the Israelis cannot/should not, target Hamas [in their efforts to prevent the attacks against population centres in Israel] ?

Quote:

"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV:
'Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood'

"Our children are our glory and honor,

they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine,

and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-...

Google;
"Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood"

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #44 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 12:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 4:47pm:

Isn't it true that Palestinians had been living near the Wailing wall for over 200 years &
that the Israelis bulldozed their houses?

Yes, that is true.

Well it wasn't a very nice thing to do.

They set them up in much better houses ~ and gave them all employment for a better life.

Same with the Abos.

We bulldozed their humpies and built them brick houses to live in ... and tried for 200 years to give them a job for a better life ... Cool

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