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Reply #390 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:58pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Yes a war of propaganda.

Hamas is winning that part of the war.

Not so.

An orchestrated coalition of leftwing media organisations has been working 24/7 to propagandise this little stoush as the Palestinians being the innocent victims of Israeli aggression ... instead of it being a retaliatory action against an enemy that hides its weaponry in amongst the civilian population.

Those who are literate and have been reading the footnotes to this policing action are under no illusions as to who started this, and why civilian targets in Gaza is where the tunnels begin and where the rocketry is stockpiled.

"Asked about the incursion, Abbott responded, “We certainly support Israel’s right to exist. We support Israel’s right to self-defence and we deplore the attacks on Israel from Gaza. Now I don’t have any further detail on what may or may not be happening at the moment. All I know is that Israel is regularly rocketed from Gaza. That shouldn’t happen.”

Abbott: ‘Israel’s right to self defence’ | The Australian Jewish News

Babies & children are always the innocent victims of war.

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Reply #391 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:59pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:45pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:32pm:

cods wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 3:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:

I think Hamas is firing rockets to deliberately get hit back by the Jews.

This is to show wounded children on TV & win the propaganda war

a war of propaganda... are you serious bobby??.. have you watched the news..?.. the Gaza is almost flat...

Israel is a BIG COUNTRY it has lots of money and lots of weapons the Hamas are like a flea on a dog...

and they are fighting a very BIG UGLY DOG....so you had better believe this isnt propaganda...Israel has had a gutfull... they have sent warnings they do not pretend to turn a blind eye.. then bang your dead....

they go about it very matter of fact.... they are prepared to live with the enemy....they even employed the Palestinians who crossed the border every day....no trouble... unless they had a bomb strapped on them...come on its stupid to claim its only the Israelis that are the aggressors.

Yes a war of propaganda.

Hamas is winning that part of the war.

You've got to be kidding.
Israel are masters of propaganda in a way that the likes of Goebbels would have creamed their pantaloons had they be able to imagine even a fraction of it.
Israel, thanks to a media blitz and a press office staffed with dozens of potential Oscar nominees, gets to go on an utter kill fest not seen since the days of the armoured Waffen SS rolling up to a rickety old Russian village - and all the world can say is "tutt tutt, fair crack of the whip, old chaps" while the US nods its head approvingly and throws them another half billion to keep themselves loaded with ammo.

Wrong -

not when you see all the pictures of injured & dying children.

So you're saying that Hamas are winning because they get to show the world pictures of the children that Israel maim?

You don't know what you're talking about. If you want a visual of what's really happening in Gaza, you need to search it out. You're not going to get it on CNN, Bobby. On CNN you'll get sanitised images that attempt to dehumanise the vicims.

That's another piece of Israeli bullshit propaganda that all the Zionists seem to swallow eagerly - that Hamas don't love their children. It's pretty effective Othering. Our own govt used it to good effect in the children overboard farce.

The pictures of dying & injured children are everywhere in the media.

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Reply #392 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:59pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 5:58pm:

And yet, Palestinian children don’t vote.

Nor did the children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Your replies are no more than abstractions. This is a war, and it needs to end.

There are non-voting children casualties in almost every war.

Where's the international condemnation for war of any description? Where's the UN and intervention?

There are 78 'wars' in the world at the moment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2014

What's the bet that there are children at risk in every one?

So why the MSM focus on Gaza and the tactics of Israel? The whole thing's been done to death. Everybody knows that after the cessation of overt hostilities this time, there'll be a repeat.

And where's the coverage of the other 77?

The Israel/Palestine conflict presents the biggest security risk in the world. It’s an ongoing conflict amidst the world’s main source of oil. Israel is a nuclear power. Israel continues to occupy territories seized in 1967. It is surrounded by countries that hate Israel’s guts. There’s a new war every few years.

Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - all pussies. Israel is the big one. Solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and you will release the biggest source of tension in the world.

A nuclear power that refuses to ratify the non-proliferation treaty, no less.

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #393 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 7:00pm

Shakey wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:49pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:31pm:

That’s right, Shakey. The Syrian civil war started with the discovery of the bodies of children, tortured and killed by the Assad regime.

Unlike Saddam, Assad - an "Axis of Evil" dictator - is not going to be toppled any time soon.

Aren't the rebel side religious nuts who want a caliphate with limited rights for minorities???

Sure. And they’re fighting George Bush’s war for him.

Cunning, no?

I doubt the American's want Al-Qaeda in power anywhere. Is it true there is an radical islamic offensive spreading right through that part of the world at this moment?? One that's heading right at the Jews.

Yes - next we'll see rockets from Hezbollah.

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Reply #394 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 7:04pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:59pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:45pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:32pm:

cods wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 3:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:

I think Hamas is firing rockets to deliberately get hit back by the Jews.

This is to show wounded children on TV & win the propaganda war

a war of propaganda... are you serious bobby??.. have you watched the news..?.. the Gaza is almost flat...

Israel is a BIG COUNTRY it has lots of money and lots of weapons the Hamas are like a flea on a dog...

and they are fighting a very BIG UGLY DOG....so you had better believe this isnt propaganda...Israel has had a gutfull... they have sent warnings they do not pretend to turn a blind eye.. then bang your dead....

they go about it very matter of fact.... they are prepared to live with the enemy....they even employed the Palestinians who crossed the border every day....no trouble... unless they had a bomb strapped on them...come on its stupid to claim its only the Israelis that are the aggressors.

Yes a war of propaganda.

Hamas is winning that part of the war.

You've got to be kidding.
Israel are masters of propaganda in a way that the likes of Goebbels would have creamed their pantaloons had they be able to imagine even a fraction of it.
Israel, thanks to a media blitz and a press office staffed with dozens of potential Oscar nominees, gets to go on an utter kill fest not seen since the days of the armoured Waffen SS rolling up to a rickety old Russian village - and all the world can say is "tutt tutt, fair crack of the whip, old chaps" while the US nods its head approvingly and throws them another half billion to keep themselves loaded with ammo.

Wrong -

not when you see all the pictures of injured & dying children.

So you're saying that Hamas are winning because they get to show the world pictures of the children that Israel maim?

You don't know what you're talking about. If you want a visual of what's really happening in Gaza, you need to search it out. You're not going to get it on CNN, Bobby. On CNN you'll get sanitised images that attempt to dehumanise the vicims.

That's another piece of Israeli bullshit propaganda that all the Zionists seem to swallow eagerly - that Hamas don't love their children. It's pretty effective Othering. Our own govt used it to good effect in the children overboard farce.

The pictures of dying & injured children are everywhere in the media.

Yes, Bobby. But they are sanitised to protect your sensibilities. For your viewing pleasure, if you will. That way you get to "tut tut' without having to see the reality of what a child really looks like with its intestines flopping out on the ground beside its dead body or its brains leaking out onto a hospital bed while an inconsolable mother weeps at the loss of the child that (according to the Israelis) she doesn't love.

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Reply #395 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 7:04pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 7:00pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:53pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:49pm:

Shakey wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:34pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:31pm:

That’s right, Shakey. The Syrian civil war started with the discovery of the bodies of children, tortured and killed by the Assad regime.

Unlike Saddam, Assad - an "Axis of Evil" dictator - is not going to be toppled any time soon.

Aren't the rebel side religious nuts who want a caliphate with limited rights for minorities???

Sure. And they’re fighting George Bush’s war for him.

Cunning, no?

I doubt the American's want Al-Qaeda in power anywhere. Is it true there is an radical islamic offensive spreading right through that part of the world at this moment?? One that's heading right at the Jews.

Yes - next we'll see rockets from Hezbollah.

I just don't see the blame being with one side bobby. The radical islamics want Israel wiped off the face of the earth and the Jews want to expand. I believe both sides are beyond talking and the more powerful army will win. I feel sorry for the innocent people caught up in this madhouse.

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Reply #396 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 7:12pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 5:58pm:

And yet, Palestinian children don’t vote.

Nor did the children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Your replies are no more than abstractions. This is a war, and it needs to end.

There are non-voting children casualties in almost every war.

Where's the international condemnation for war of any description? Where's the UN and intervention?

There are 78 'wars' in the world at the moment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2014

What's the bet that there are children at risk in every one?

So why the MSM focus on Gaza and the tactics of Israel? The whole thing's been done to death. Everybody knows that after the cessation of overt hostilities this time, there'll be a repeat.

And where's the coverage of the other 77?

The Israel/Palestine conflict presents the biggest security risk in the world. It’s an ongoing conflict amidst the world’s main source of oil. Israel is a nuclear power. Israel continues to occupy territories seized in 1967. It is surrounded by countries that hate Israel’s guts. There’s a new war every few years.

Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - all pussies. Israel is the big one. Solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and you will release the biggest source of tension in the world.

A nuclear power that refuses to ratify the non-proliferation treaty, no less.

Of course. Israel will neither confirm nor deny that it has nuclear weapons.

Imagine Iran trying to get away with that.

Google: Taqiyya.

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Reply #397 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 7:13pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 7:12pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:47pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 5:58pm:

And yet, Palestinian children don’t vote.

Nor did the children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Your replies are no more than abstractions. This is a war, and it needs to end.

There are non-voting children casualties in almost every war.

Where's the international condemnation for war of any description? Where's the UN and intervention?

There are 78 'wars' in the world at the moment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Conflicts_in_2014

What's the bet that there are children at risk in every one?

So why the MSM focus on Gaza and the tactics of Israel? The whole thing's been done to death. Everybody knows that after the cessation of overt hostilities this time, there'll be a repeat.

And where's the coverage of the other 77?

The Israel/Palestine conflict presents the biggest security risk in the world. It’s an ongoing conflict amidst the world’s main source of oil. Israel is a nuclear power. Israel continues to occupy territories seized in 1967. It is surrounded by countries that hate Israel’s guts. There’s a new war every few years.

Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - all pussies. Israel is the big one. Solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and you will release the biggest source of tension in the world.

A nuclear power that refuses to ratify the non-proliferation treaty, no less.

Of course. Israel will neither confirm nor deny that it has nuclear weapons.

Imagine Iran trying to get away with that.

Google: Taqiyya.

How long would Israel last without nukes???

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Reply #398 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 7:22pm

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Of course. Israel will neither confirm nor deny that it has nuclear weapons.

Imagine Iran trying to get away with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

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In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[28] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

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Reply #399 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 9:52pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:47pm:

The Israel/Palestine conflict presents the biggest security risk in the world. It’s an ongoing conflict amidst the world’s main source of oil. Israel is a nuclear power. Israel continues to occupy territories seized in 1967. It is surrounded by countries that hate Israel’s guts. There’s a new war every few years.

Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - all pussies.

Israel is the big one.

Solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, and you will release the biggest source of tension in the world.

Of course, that is an idea that moslems are eager to promote, among non-moslems.

That, if only there were no Israeli/Palestinian conflict, if only there were no Israel, ....the world would be a much more peaceful place.

And even more so....

ISLAM being 'the religion of peace', an' all. Wink

Coz.....

"[ISLAM] promotes peace and harmony."

iAnd so, let us all celebrate together, Karnal, to welcome in, the coming epoch of world peace.

Because soon there will be Israel, no more.

Watch the very words come from the lips Iranian President Ahmadinejad;

"The ocean of rage of the people of the region will surge and eradicate the Zionist regime."

- Iranian President Ahmadinejad

YOUTUBE

"Farewell Israel"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-IwwfeLp4M

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Isaiah 17:12
Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!
13 The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.
14 And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us.

Isaiah 59:19
So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.
20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96385	Re: Israel invades Gaza Reply #400 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 10:33pm A lot longer than Saddam and his WMDs.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106430 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Israel invades Gaza Reply #401 - Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:27am 16 days since the start of the invasion. That's about 100 people per day killed. What a sad indictment on the world & the ineffectiveness of the United Nations.
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Reply #402 - Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 11:32am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 6:32pm:

cods wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 3:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 3:28pm:

I think Hamas is firing rockets to deliberately get hit back by the Jews.

This is to show wounded children on TV & win the propaganda war

a war of propaganda... are you serious bobby??.. have you watched the news..?.. the Gaza is almost flat...

Israel is a BIG COUNTRY it has lots of money and lots of weapons the Hamas are like a flea on a dog...

and they are fighting a very BIG UGLY DOG....so you had better believe this isnt propaganda...Israel has had a gutfull... they have sent warnings they do not pretend to turn a blind eye.. then bang your dead....

they go about it very matter of fact.... they are prepared to live with the enemy....they even employed the Palestinians who crossed the border every day....no trouble... unless they had a bomb strapped on them...come on its stupid to claim its only the Israelis that are the aggressors.

Yes a war of propaganda.

Hamas is winning that part of the war.

And Israel is prepared to allow Hamas to win that part of the war all the way into their Islamic graveyard.
Israel has no interest in trying to get a balanced view from one sided left wing media outlets.
They are only focussed on destroying Hamas once and for all.

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Reply #403 - Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 11:37am

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 12:09pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 11:54am:

Lionel, are you saying this is just Palestinian propaganda and Israel is not going to bomb the hospital?

Not at all. According to that source, they have already announced their intention to do so. Now we'll have to wait and see what unfolds.

So why deny the evidence of eye witnesses? Why take part in a propaganda war when you believe that hospitals are being targeted?

This is a war with huge civilian casualties. With the exception of people like Herbie who want to see Palestinians culled, I don’t understand why any civilized person would seek to minimize or deflect from the fact that innocent people are being massacred by Israel. It’s one thing to present causes and reasons for this war, it’s another to deny that innocent people aren’t being wounded and killed in their droves.

Israel has every right to defend itself from Palestinian rockets. It doesn’t have the right to massacre an entire population. Israel is currently breaking international law and breaching UN resolutions. You might disagree with the resolutions, but no one can pretend Israel isn’t violating them.

It’s easy to play Andrew Bolt with the facts. It’s a lot harder to accept the cold hard fact that Israel is bombing hospitals and schools and killing thousands of innocent civilians as we speak.

Eye-witness accounts carry a lot more weight than the views of columnists in the Australian. In an age of information/propaganda, one of the biggest problems we face is that facts and opinion are reversed. This leads to the problems Aquascoot described - an inability to empathize with fellow humans. It’s how the Holocaust was allowed to happen, and today, it’s how new crimes against humanity are excused, deflected and abstracted out of all proportion.

A Finnish reporter stated yesterday he saw terrorists firing rockets at Israel from the car park of that hospital that was hit recently.
Hamas is deliberately using hospitals and schools to attack Israel from.
Hamas wants the IDF to kill civilians.

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Reply #404 - Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 11:38am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 11:32am:

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Israel has no interest in trying to get a balanced view from one sided left wing media outlets.
They are only focussed on destroying Hamas once and for all.

Excellent news. Those Hamas militants are a menace to society. Israel, on the othert hand - they're the most moral army in the world

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Question: Who can we blame for the war in Gaza?
Israel 3 (21.4%) Hamas 6 (42.9%) Palestinians 0 (0.0%) The USA 1 (7.1%) Egypt 0 (0.0%) Iran 0 (0.0%) All of the above 2 (14.3%) Freemasons 2 (14.3%) Total votes: 14 « Last Modified by: Bobby. on: Aug 9^th, 2014 at 6:16pm »