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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #465 - Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:13am

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 7:49am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 6:54am:

Anyway, I could go on but I think the barrackers of the Palestinians, see in the Palestinians, themselves.

They see the losers and the bleakness of failure and they identify with it.

Thoughts?

Exactly what I wrote a few days ago.

With some ~ not all ~ the psychology is one of latent or overt self-pity identifying with a 'victim group'.

Pity is the worst of emotions and I see it from the left all the time.
Be kind, encourage, challenge but never pity.

the challenge for Palestinian youth is to mimic the Asian youth. Bury your heads in books, become a genius and start a new Palestinian silicon valley.
This is nowhere near as exciting as running around town playing cowboys and Indians. No adrenaline rush, no quick solution. For a hot head, it is probably a step too far. But that's how the Palestinians can unsettle the jews. Speak the language the jew understands $$$$$$. be successful and he will beat a path to your door (and not with a tank)

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Reply #468 - Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:20am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 11:28pm:

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No Bobby, they control the land, sea and air space to stop WEAPONS, not normal goods, getting into Gaza. Admittedly with only limited success, obviously.

They let only basic UN supplies through.

Yet, yesterday Hamas launched over 80 rockets against Israeli cities and towns.

And it is clear, that Hamas has [or had] 10,000's of rockets in its arsenal.

In this current conflict, over 2,500 rockets have been launched against Israeli cities and towns.

bobby,

You claim in your post;

"They [the Israelis] let only basic UN supplies through."

bobby,

If that is true,

IF YOU ARE CORRECT,

where did/does Hamas get all of its 10,000's of rockets from ?

???

"They [the Israelis] let only basic UN supplies through."

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Reply #469 - Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:25am

aquascoot wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 6:54am:

Karnal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 12:37am:

Soren wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:57pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:31pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:27pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:17pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:

The only reason Gazan civilians are dying is because Israel is dropping bombs on them. Rationalise it all you want, but without the bombs there would be no dead.

I get it now. Gaza will not recover from this. There is a narrative emerging that isn't new for the Israelis and their supporters, but is appearing in new places.

In a few years, Israel will have absorbed Gaza and resettled the Palestinian people elsewhere. What a tragedy - the 'final solution', I guess. We will have the true Catastrophe that the Israelis and their asshole supporters have been wanting since '48.

Israel doesn't need or want Gaza. It has always been Philistine territory.

But Hamas will be destroyed as a governing force. Egypt is destroying its paymasters the Muslim Brotherhood, Israel is destroying its tunnels and arsenal.

Islam meets modernity.

What - if anything - could Israel do that would be too much for you? Do you stand with Israel blindly no matter what?

There was peace until Hamas started the rockets. The way you deal with a bully like Hamas is that you do not start a war but when they start it, you hit back without mercy. Especially the third time.

This is not the first time Hamas has been shelling Israel from Gaza. They have been in control of Gaza for 9 years now. They have done NOTHING for their people, they spent all that aid money on tunnels, rockets and high living. And they have been shelling Israel under the cover of 'international opinion' all along.

Enough is enough. Israel would be remiss if they didn't destroy Hamas this time around. In a war, one side needs to know it's beaten. There is no end until then. And it's not going to be the Jews. Wake up.

I know your opinion on that. I've read lots that are similar.

What I asked was: is there a line for you personally that Israel could cross that would make you question or withdraw your support?

Inherent in your question is an equation of Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Iranian ayatollas, Saudi bastards - and Israel.

I do not accept that equivalence. Not all Middle R=Eastern powers are the same.

Israel is a real country, a real liberal democracy, with a real and open goal. There is no hidden agenda, there is no conspiracy. It is a remarkably normal country (considering the circumstances).

I also think that it will never ever capitulate to the open and often-stated Arab desire to destroy it.

So what would a normal, functioning liberal democracy, under constant siege by forces of backward despotism do to defend itself that I would find a step too far?

Giving in and not hitting back as hard as necessary would be a line in the sand for me. If Israel did not defend itself as it is now then I would say it doesn't deserve to exist and so I would not be on its side.

Does that answer your question?

The old boy loves questions like this. They give him.fuel for his never-ever speech.

Never underestimate the old boy’s willingness to play the complete and utter bastard. He just loves dressing up in his neatly-pressed Nazi uniform and playing his old marching band records.

The old boy will always posture and take the side of the thug. It’s his role.

Strange though, only a few days ago, the old boy was blaming the Muselman for refusing to submit to the Jude. Then, capitulation to brute force was presented as a virtue - the way gangsters promote the benefit of paying up on time.

Never ever, eh?

Karmal , youre a smart guy.

aquascoot,

Karmal may be;

Well read.

Educated.

Articulate.

also.....
a smart, a rse.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #470 - Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:30am

aquascoot wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:13am:

Pity is the worst of emotions and I see it from the left all the time.
Be kind, encourage, challenge but never pity.

the challenge for Palestinian youth is to mimic the Asian youth. Bury your heads in books, become a genius and start a new Palestinian silicon valley.

The Jews were given almost nothing but rocky ground where not even grass can grow, but through sheer guts, hard work and determination they made the deserts bloom ... with all the while the Muslims on either side of Israel's little patch looked on with envy at what they themselves had failed to accomplish in a thousand years of occupying the same land.

The Israeli success story is the Arab's shame.

That's why they want to wipe Israel off the map so they no longer need feel embarrassed for having done absolutely bugger-all since biblical times with land that now 'blooms in the desert' under Jewish expertise.

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Incidentally, I was shocked into disbelief last night when I turned on the TV and watched the news reporting a large rally of pro-Israeli supporters here in Sydney.

It is almost never that one sees a rally on the streets of Sydney that isn't a Leftwing knees-up in protest of something they deem to be rightwing policy or a rightwing 'abomination'.

The only exception is the occasional 'Usual Suspects' crowd of Muslims demanding beheadings, or protesting about the forced expulsion from office of extremist Islamic nutters in Egypt.

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Re: Israel invades Gaza
Reply #471 - Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:51am

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:30am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:13am:

Pity is the worst of emotions and I see it from the left all the time.
Be kind, encourage, challenge but never pity.

the challenge for Palestinian youth is to mimic the Asian youth. Bury your heads in books, become a genius and start a new Palestinian silicon valley.

The Jews were given almost nothing but rocky ground where not even grass can grow, but through sheer guts, hard work and determination they made the deserts bloom ... with all the while the Muslims on either side of Israel's little patch looked on with envy at what they themselves had failed to accomplish in a thousand years of occupying the same land.

The Israeli success story is the Arab's shame.

That's why they want to wipe Israel off the map so they no longer need feel embarrassed for having done absolutely bugger-all since biblical times with land that now 'blooms in the desert' under Jewish expertise.

***********

Incidentally, I was shocked into disbelief last night when I turned on the TV and watched the news reporting a large rally of pro-Israeli supporters here in Sydney.

It is almost never that one sees a rally on the streets of Sydney that isn't a Leftwing knees-up in protest of something they deem to be rightwing policy or a rightwing 'abomination'.

The only exception is the occasional 'Usual Suspects' crowd of Muslims demanding beheadings, or protesting about the forced expulsion from office of extremist Islamic nutters in Egypt.

as the world moves from oil, the middle east will move from a well off basket case to something resembling angola or sierra leone.
The Israeli's may still need a bloody big wall Wink

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Reply #472 - Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:53am

Yadda wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 6:54am:

Karnal wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 12:37am:

Soren wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:57pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:31pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:27pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:17pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:

The only reason Gazan civilians are dying is because Israel is dropping bombs on them. Rationalise it all you want, but without the bombs there would be no dead.

I get it now. Gaza will not recover from this. There is a narrative emerging that isn't new for the Israelis and their supporters, but is appearing in new places.

In a few years, Israel will have absorbed Gaza and resettled the Palestinian people elsewhere. What a tragedy - the 'final solution', I guess. We will have the true Catastrophe that the Israelis and their asshole supporters have been wanting since '48.

Israel doesn't need or want Gaza. It has always been Philistine territory.

But Hamas will be destroyed as a governing force. Egypt is destroying its paymasters the Muslim Brotherhood, Israel is destroying its tunnels and arsenal.

Islam meets modernity.

What - if anything - could Israel do that would be too much for you? Do you stand with Israel blindly no matter what?

There was peace until Hamas started the rockets. The way you deal with a bully like Hamas is that you do not start a war but when they start it, you hit back without mercy. Especially the third time.

This is not the first time Hamas has been shelling Israel from Gaza. They have been in control of Gaza for 9 years now. They have done NOTHING for their people, they spent all that aid money on tunnels, rockets and high living. And they have been shelling Israel under the cover of 'international opinion' all along.

Enough is enough. Israel would be remiss if they didn't destroy Hamas this time around. In a war, one side needs to know it's beaten. There is no end until then. And it's not going to be the Jews. Wake up.

I know your opinion on that. I've read lots that are similar.

What I asked was: is there a line for you personally that Israel could cross that would make you question or withdraw your support?

Inherent in your question is an equation of Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Iranian ayatollas, Saudi bastards - and Israel.

I do not accept that equivalence. Not all Middle R=Eastern powers are the same.

Israel is a real country, a real liberal democracy, with a real and open goal. There is no hidden agenda, there is no conspiracy. It is a remarkably normal country (considering the circumstances).

I also think that it will never ever capitulate to the open and often-stated Arab desire to destroy it.

So what would a normal, functioning liberal democracy, under constant siege by forces of backward despotism do to defend itself that I would find a step too far?

Giving in and not hitting back as hard as necessary would be a line in the sand for me. If Israel did not defend itself as it is now then I would say it doesn't deserve to exist and so I would not be on its side.

Does that answer your question?

The old boy loves questions like this. They give him.fuel for his never-ever speech.

Never underestimate the old boy’s willingness to play the complete and utter bastard. He just loves dressing up in his neatly-pressed Nazi uniform and playing his old marching band records.

The old boy will always posture and take the side of the thug. It’s his role.

Strange though, only a few days ago, the old boy was blaming the Muselman for refusing to submit to the Jude. Then, capitulation to brute force was presented as a virtue - the way gangsters promote the benefit of paying up on time.

Never ever, eh?

Karmal , youre a smart guy.

aquascoot,

Karmal may be;

Well read.

Educated.

Articulate.

also.....
a smart, a rse.

aren't we all

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Reply #474 - Aug 4^th, 2014 at 3:52pm

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The Jews were given almost nothing but rocky ground where not even grass can grow, but through sheer guts, hard work and determination they made the deserts bloom

....and lets not forget the quarter of a trillion US dollars given to Israel by the US as "aid" since 1948.

The hundred of so billion they've got out of Europe and especially Germany to stop them from banging on, more than they already do, about the damn Holocaust is just pocket money.

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Reply #475 - Aug 4^th, 2014 at 3:52pm

Soren wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:57pm:

Inherent in your question is an equation of Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Iranian ayatollas, Saudi bastards - and Israel.

I do not accept that equivalence. Not all Middle R=Eastern powers are the same.

Israel is a real country, a real liberal democracy, with a real and open goal. There is no hidden agenda, there is no conspiracy. It is a remarkably normal country (considering the circumstances).

I also think that it will never ever capitulate to the open and often-stated Arab desire to destroy it.

So what would a normal, functioning liberal democracy, under constant siege by forces of backward despotism do to defend itself that I would find a step too far?

Giving in and not hitting back as hard as necessary would be a line in the sand for me. If Israel did not defend itself as it is now then I would say it doesn't deserve to exist and so I would not be on its side.

Does that answer your question?

Yes, that answers my question.

You didn't have to try to justify it though. You could've just admitted that the more suffering Israel inflicts on the Arabs, the happier you'll be.

At least that'd be completely honest.

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Reply #476 - Aug 4^th, 2014 at 4:01pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 6:54am:

Karmal , youre a smart guy.

there is a basic (perhaps sub-conscious) psycho-phenomenom going on here (and , indeed with many "causes").

if we look at who is barracking for the Palestinians, its all the usual suspects.

Barracking? Really? Like at a football game. You have serious issues, buddy.

And yeah, people against the genocide of the Palestinians are idiots. Those nobel laureates in particular - losers.

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Reply #477 - Aug 4^th, 2014 at 5:21pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 3:52pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2014 at 10:57pm:

Inherent in your question is an equation of Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Iranian ayatollas, Saudi bastards - and Israel.

I do not accept that equivalence. Not all Middle R=Eastern powers are the same.

Israel is a real country, a real liberal democracy, with a real and open goal. There is no hidden agenda, there is no conspiracy. It is a remarkably normal country (considering the circumstances).

I also think that it will never ever capitulate to the open and often-stated Arab desire to destroy it.

So what would a normal, functioning liberal democracy, under constant siege by forces of backward despotism do to defend itself that I would find a step too far?

Giving in and not hitting back as hard as necessary would be a line in the sand for me. If Israel did not defend itself as it is now then I would say it doesn't deserve to exist and so I would not be on its side.

Does that answer your question?

Yes, that answers my question.

You didn't have to try to justify it though. You could've just admitted that the more suffering Israel inflicts on the Arabs, the happier you'll be.

At least that'd be completely honest.

Here are two questions for you:

What would make Hamas recognise Israel?

A) Nothing
B) er... that's it

And stop firing rockets at it?
A) The complete disarmament of Hamas
B) Er... again, that's it.

Under these circumstances, what would you do if you were the Israeli government?

Even the Egyptians, the Jordanians and the Saudis are not on Hamas's side but tacitly on Israel's. They do not want Hamas to spread to their countries so they are quietly hoping that Israel will do the necessary.

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Reply #478 - Aug 4^th, 2014 at 5:26pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 4:01pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 4^th, 2014 at 6:54am:

Karmal , youre a smart guy.

there is a basic (perhaps sub-conscious) psycho-phenomenom going on here (and , indeed with many "causes").

if we look at who is barracking for the Palestinians, its all the usual suspects.

Barracking? Really? Like at a football game. You have serious issues, buddy.

And yeah, people against the genocide of the Palestinians are idiots. Those nobel laureates in particular - losers.

i think youre a bit of a one-eyed palestinian supporter.
i just watch the contest and call the game.
I'd have sent off most of the palestinian team by now for foul play.
i'd also tell the palestinians , they need to train harder and play smarter if they want to play in the premier league. they seem undisciplined and should consider sacking their coach.

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