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Question: Who can we blame for the war in Gaza?

Israel    
  3 (21.4%)
Hamas    
  6 (42.9%)
Palestinians    
  0 (0.0%)
The USA    
  1 (7.1%)
Egypt    
  0 (0.0%)
Iran    
  0 (0.0%)
All of the above    
  2 (14.3%)
Freemasons    
  2 (14.3%)




Total votes: 14
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Reply #480 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 5:49pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 5:45pm:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 8:51am:
as the world moves from oil, the middle east will move from a well off basket case to something resembling angola or sierra leone. 

The Israeli's may still need a bloody big wall Wink


Or a Dome ....


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e150/ruffdiamond/January%202013/dome_zpsd3e295...



thought you meant the telstra dome there.
sport can be a great leveller and lead to comraderie.
how about a state of origin style 3 match series.
israel v hamas.
banky moon or whatever his name is can do something useful and referee the matches
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Reply #481 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 6:04pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 5:26pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 4:01pm:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 6:54am:
Karmal , youre a smart guy.

there is a basic (perhaps sub-conscious) psycho-phenomenom going on here (and , indeed with many "causes").

if we look at who is barracking for the Palestinians, its all the usual suspects.



Barracking? Really? Like at a football game. You have serious issues, buddy.


And yeah, people against the genocide of the Palestinians are idiots. Those nobel laureates in particular - losers.




i think youre a bit of a one-eyed palestinian supporter.
i just watch the contest and call the game.
I'd have sent off most of the palestinian team by now for foul play.
i'd also tell the palestinians , they need to train harder and play smarter if they want to play in the premier league. they seem undisciplined and should consider sacking their coach.


Aquatrousers is just an Israeli propagandist rejoicing at every Palestinian death.

Aquatrousers your mind is diseased from all the hate propaganda you get paid to spread.
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Reply #482 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 6:07pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 3:52pm:
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The Jews were given almost nothing but rocky ground where not even grass can grow, but through sheer guts, hard work and determination they made the deserts bloom



....and lets not forget the quarter of a trillion US dollars given to Israel by the US as "aid" since 1948.

The hundred of so billion they've got out of Europe and especially Germany to stop them from banging on, more than they already do, about the damn Holocaust is just pocket money.


Good post, life ... but you're only half done.

Now let us know how much in Western Foreign Aid and special Western donations, and then monies passed to them from Saudi Arabia and other weapons enabling countries sympathetic to their cause have the Palestinians received since 1948.

Thanks in advance.
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Reply #483 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 6:09pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 8:30am:
aquascoot wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 8:13am:
Pity is the worst of emotions and I see it from the left all the time.
Be kind, encourage, challenge but never pity.

the challenge for Palestinian youth is to mimic the Asian youth. Bury your heads in books, become a genius and start a new Palestinian silicon valley.


The Jews were given almost nothing but rocky ground where not even grass can grow, but through sheer guts, hard work and determination they made the deserts bloom ... with all the while the Muslims on either side of Israel's little patch looked on with envy at what they themselves had failed to accomplish in a thousand years of occupying the same land.

The Israeli success story is the Arab's shame.

That's why they want to wipe Israel off the map so they no longer need feel embarrassed for having done absolutely bugger-all since biblical times with land that now 'blooms in the desert' under Jewish expertise.

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Incidentally, I was shocked into disbelief last night when I turned on the TV and watched the news reporting a large rally of pro-Israeli supporters here in Sydney.

It is almost never that one sees a rally on the streets of Sydney that isn't a Leftwing knees-up in protest of something they deem to be rightwing policy or a rightwing 'abomination'.

The only exception is the occasional 'Usual Suspects' crowd of Muslims demanding beheadings, or protesting about the forced expulsion from office of extremist Islamic nutters in Egypt.


Yes, that is what my Father always said, based on his experiences in 'Palestine' during World War 2.
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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #484 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:13pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 3rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:
The only reason Gazan civilians are dying is because Israel is dropping bombs on them. Rationalise it all you want, but without the bombs there would be no dead.

I get it now. Gaza will not recover from this. There is a narrative emerging that isn't new for the Israelis and their supporters, but is appearing in new places.

In a few years, Israel will have absorbed Gaza and resettled the Palestinian people elsewhere.  What a tragedy - the 'final solution', I guess. We will have the true Catastrophe that the Israelis and their asshole supporters have been wanting since '48.


You forget the many 'own goals' that Hamas has been scoring when their missiles fail to make it over the fence and landing on their own people.
And you will forever be disappointed if you expect the IDF not to respond to Hamas attacks, as no other nation on the earth would either.
So in actual fact, civilians are dying in Gaza because of terrorist groups in Gaza who cannot help but try and kill Jews in Israel.
And yes, it probably would be a good idea for the Palestinians to be moved elsewhere, but who wants them as neighbours?
Not even their own Muslim brothers want a bar of them.
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Reply #485 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:19pm
 
I regard this as

GAZA THE NEW HOLOCAUST BY THE THE NEW NAZIS OF 2014



Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #486 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:20pm
 


What we do to Palestinians. Israeli soldiers with conscience speak out.
Monday, August 4, 2014 2:08
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Reply #487 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:21pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:20pm:


What we do to Palestinians. Israeli soldiers with conscience speak out.
Monday, August 4, 2014 2:08



What??, no post about how Mossad 'created' Hamas????

What's wrong?, aren't you feeling well??
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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #488 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:24pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 12:31am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2014 at 11:28pm:
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No Bobby, they control the land, sea and air space to stop WEAPONS, not normal goods, getting into Gaza. Admittedly with only limited success, obviously.


They let only basic UN supplies through.



Israel murders peace flotilla passengers.


Only in your mind.
Your lie was already exposed on video as such long ago.
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Reply #489 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:25pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:20pm:


What we do to Palestinians. Israeli soldiers with conscience speak out.
Monday, August 4, 2014 2:08


Do you have a video of Hamas terrorists with a conscience speaking out too or would they have been beheaded first?
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Reply #490 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:32pm
 
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Do you have a video of Hamas terrorists with a conscience speaking out too or would they have been beheaded first?


yes mossad created hamas ,

its common knowledge



check it out and wake up

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Reply #491 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:39pm
 
Hamas, is in Europe.




Violent moslem thugs in Europe - supporters of Hamas - are tolerated by Europeans authorities,
....for the sake of social harmony!

It is madness.

Quote:
The New Nazism's First Victim: Truth
by Peter Martino

August 4, 2014

When the Turkish neighbors of Leah Rabinovitch, a Jewish woman in Amsterdam, adorned their apartment with a Palestinian flag, she did the same with an Israeli flag. Leah lives in a neighborhood where 48% of the population is of non-Western origin – many of them Muslims. Stones were thrown through her windows, a Molotov cocktail was thrown at her balcony and an anonymous letter was put in her letter box. "Hitler will be back. Death to the Jews," it said.
Seraphina Verhofstadt, another Jewish woman in Amsterdam, also reacted to the many Palestinian and Hamas flags in Amsterdam by displaying the Israeli flag. She received threats that her throat would be slit. When she left her apartment, she was assaulted by youths wearing Palestinian shawls and severely beaten.

.....Asked in a television interview why she still displays the Israeli flag after being beaten up and whether it would not be wiser to remove it, Seraphina Verhofstadt said: "If I do that, I will also lose my freedom of speech."

First we lose truth, then we lose freedoms, and finally we lose life.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4571/new-nazism








Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


EVERY moslem, is a follower - of ISLAM.

EVERY moslem, is a member of the moslem community.

Hamas, is in Europe.

Whether the moslem refers to himself as being a member of,
Hamas,
or the Taliban,
or Al-Qaeda,
or Boko Haram,
or ISIS,
or Al Shabaab,
or [in Australia] Brothers for Life,

OR SIMPLY, AS BEING A, MOSLEM;

....the moslem is the member of 'a group of people' who choose to follow a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to seek to subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of 'disbelieving' mankind.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #492 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:41pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:32pm:
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Do you have a video of Hamas terrorists with a conscience speaking out too or would they have been beheaded first?


yes mossad created hamas ,

its common knowledge



check it out and wake up

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are you sure the freemasons didnt create hamas
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Reply #493 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:45pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 6:54am:
Karnal wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 12:37am:
Soren wrote on Aug 3rd, 2014 at 10:57pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 3rd, 2014 at 10:31pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 3rd, 2014 at 10:27pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 3rd, 2014 at 10:17pm:
Soren wrote on Aug 3rd, 2014 at 10:05pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 3rd, 2014 at 4:59pm:
The only reason Gazan civilians are dying is because Israel is dropping bombs on them. Rationalise it all you want, but without the bombs there would be no dead.

I get it now. Gaza will not recover from this. There is a narrative emerging that isn't new for the Israelis and their supporters, but is appearing in new places.

In a few years, Israel will have absorbed Gaza and resettled the Palestinian people elsewhere.  What a tragedy - the 'final solution', I guess. We will have the true Catastrophe that the Israelis and their asshole supporters have been wanting since '48.

Israel doesn't need or want Gaza. It has always been Philistine territory.

But Hamas will be destroyed as a governing force. Egypt is destroying its paymasters the Muslim Brotherhood, Israel is destroying its tunnels and arsenal.

Islam meets modernity.




What - if anything - could Israel do that would be too much for you? Do you stand with Israel blindly no matter what?




There was peace until Hamas started the rockets. The way you deal with a bully like Hamas is that you do not start a war but when they start it, you hit back without mercy. Especially the third time.

This is not the first time Hamas has been shelling Israel from Gaza. They have been in control of Gaza for 9 years now. They have done NOTHING for their people, they spent all that aid money on tunnels, rockets and high living. And they have been shelling Israel under the cover of 'international opinion' all along.

Enough is enough. Israel would be remiss if they didn't destroy Hamas this time around. In a war, one side needs to know it's beaten. There is no end until then. And it's not going to be the Jews. Wake up.









I know your opinion on that. I've read lots that are similar.

What I asked was: is there a line for you personally that Israel could cross that would make you question or withdraw your support?


Inherent in your question is an equation of Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Iranian ayatollas, Saudi bastards - and Israel.

I do not accept that equivalence. Not all Middle R=Eastern powers are the same.

Israel is a real country, a real liberal democracy, with a real and open goal. There is no hidden agenda, there is no conspiracy. It is a remarkably normal country (considering the circumstances).

I also think that it will never ever capitulate to the open and often-stated Arab desire to destroy it.


So what would a normal, functioning liberal democracy, under constant siege by forces of backward despotism do to defend itself that I would find a step too far?

Giving in and not hitting back as hard as necessary would be a line in the sand for me. If Israel did not defend itself as it is now then I would say it doesn't deserve to exist and so I would not be on its side.

Does that answer your question?


The old boy loves questions like this. They give him.fuel for his never-ever speech.

Never underestimate the old boy’s willingness to play the complete and utter bastard. He just loves dressing up in his neatly-pressed Nazi uniform and playing his old marching band records.

The old boy will always posture and take the side of the thug. It’s his role.

Strange though, only a few days ago, the old boy was blaming the Muselman for refusing to submit to the Jude. Then, capitulation to brute force was presented as a virtue - the way gangsters promote the benefit of paying up on time.

Never ever, eh?


Karmal , youre a smart guy.

there is a basic (perhaps sub-conscious) psycho-phenomenom going on here (and , indeed with many "causes").

if we look at who is barracking for the Palestinians, its all the usual suspects.
the unions
the greens
the human rights lawyers
the left wing politicians
the public school teachers
the light Wink
...

Thoughts?


My thoughts are you’ve missed the views of everyone from Ban Ki Moon to Barack Obama to the heads of the EU, the IMF, World Bank, Oxfam, MSF, World Vision, etc, etc, etc, and every member state of the UN, excluding about 4.

The entire world is barracking for the Palestinians. Missed the news lately, have you?
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Reply #494 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 7:48pm
 
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are you sure the freemasons didnt create hamas


ask Hassane Zerouky

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation

Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".



Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), "The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority" in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. "They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad."

The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an "Islamic University" in Gaza. "The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza." At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks) , the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.

In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (‘uprising’) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): "God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution", proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.

Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.

The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.

Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison ("on humanitarian grounds") where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords. Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997.

Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war, (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries. The the budget of The Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories.

The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.
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