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Question: Who can we blame for the war in Gaza?

Israel    
  3 (21.4%)
Hamas    
  6 (42.9%)
Palestinians    
  0 (0.0%)
The USA    
  1 (7.1%)
Egypt    
  0 (0.0%)
Iran    
  0 (0.0%)
All of the above    
  2 (14.3%)
Freemasons    
  2 (14.3%)




Total votes: 14
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Reply #45 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:18pm
 
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

Hamas is a Creation of Mossad

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by Hassane Zerouky

Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation

Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".




Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), "The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority" in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. "They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad."

The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an "Islamic University" in Gaza. "The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza." At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks) , the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.

In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (‘uprising’) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): "God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution", proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.

Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.

The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.

Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison ("on humanitarian grounds") where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords. Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997.

Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war, (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries. The the budget of The Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories.

The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.
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Reply #46 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:13pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 10:05am:
cods wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:12am:

for those who believe nothing.. then history will be in an even worse mess than it is now.. everything is recorded even setting the alarm clock is recorded somewhere..historians in 200 years will have a terrible time deciding who or what was telling the truth..

we watch it as it happens every night on our TV.. yet we are now told not to believe any of it.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

we no longer have artists painting history and hiding the paintings for dozens of years..

so just who do we believe.???

are the cameras filming said atrocities not really doing so  Roll Eyesits all Hollywood illusion???





cods,

Because some areas in Gaza, are where military activity - directed against Israeli civilian areas - is coming from - Israel has OPENLY AND PUBLICLY declared to Gazans that Israel is declaring those areas of Gaza to be 'hot' military zones.

And Israel has - OPENLY AND PUBLICLY - advised all civilian residents of those areas, to leave those areas.

But it is also being reported, that Hamas is telling [is ordering?] local residents of these areas - NOT TO AID ISRAEL - BY EVACUATING those areas.


cods,

QUESTION;
Are these truths, all a Hollywood illusion too???

HEY ITS NOT ME THAT CLAIMS ALL MEDIA [OR AT LEAST THE ONES SOME CHOOSE] ARE SHITE AND SHOULD NOT BE BELIEVED..



cods,

QUESTION;
Because Hamas cadres choose to 'hide behind' many of their own women and children - while they [Hamas] launch rockets against population centres in Israel - [the argument being made by some] is that the Israelis cannot/should not, target Hamas [in their efforts to prevent the attacks against population centres in Israel] ?



THATS WHAT I MEAN....... JUST WHO DO SOME BELIEVE ARE THE PICTURES WE SEE EVERY NIGHT

HOLLYWOOD BULLSHITE.

SOME ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE PROPAGANDA COMING OUT OF RUSSIA RIGHT NOW..THEY PREFER THAT TO WHAT OUR PM IS SAYING...ITS QUITE AMAZING REALLY.




Quote:

"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV:
'Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood'


"Our children are our glory and honor,

they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine,

and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-...


Google;
"Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood"





I DONT NEED TO GOOGLE ANYTHING.. I BELIEVE WHAT I SEE ON MY TV.. FOR THE MOST PART I DO BELIEVE ISRAEL IS LETTING THEM KNOW WHERE AND WHEN THEY WILL BOMB...HOW THEY KNOW WHERE THE HAMAS ARE HIDING I WOULDNT KNOW.. BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THEIR INTENTION IS TO KILL CHILDREN  JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT..

ITS HAMAS WHO DO THE WRONG THING BY HIDING BEHIND LITTLE CHILDREN...COWARDS,..
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Reply #47 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:35pm
 
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I DONT NEED TO GOOGLE ANYTHING.. I BELIEVE WHAT I SEE ON MY TV..



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Reply #48 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:38pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:13pm:
I DONT NEED TO GOOGLE ANYTHING.. I BELIEVE WHAT I SEE ON MY TV.. FOR THE MOST PART I DO BELIEVE ISRAEL IS LETTING THEM KNOW WHERE AND WHEN THEY WILL BOMB...HOW THEY KNOW WHERE THE HAMAS ARE HIDING I WOULDNT KNOW.. BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THEIR INTENTION IS TO KILL CHILDREN  JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT..

ITS HAMAS WHO DO THE WRONG THING BY HIDING BEHIND LITTLE CHILDREN...COWARDS,..



You honestly believe that Israel, with their sophisticated weaponry wouldn't know they were bombing children on the beach? Are you kidding me? You said yourself 'they know where Hamas are hiding'.

I can be pro Palestine and anti Hamas at the same time. There is no excuse for the number of children killed by Israel.
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Reply #49 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:42pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:35pm:
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I DONT NEED TO GOOGLE ANYTHING.. I BELIEVE WHAT I SEE ON MY TV..



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Cods saw weapons of mass destruction in Iraq on TV.....remember the white van outside the grain factory?.....cartoon trucks lol!!!!
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Reply #50 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:49pm
 


Israel Caught Using 'Illegal US-Supplied Weapons' Against Civilian Palestinians!

Published on Jul 20, 2014
The Israeli military is using flechette shells, which spray out thousands of tiny and potentially lethal metal darts, in its military operation in Gaza.

Six flechette shells were fired towards the village of Khuzaa, east of Khan Younis, on 17 July, according to the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights. Nahla Khalil Najjar, 37, suffered injuries to her chest, it said. PCHR provided a picture of flechettes taken by a fieldworker last week.
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Israel using flechette shells in Gaza
Palestinian human rights group accuses Israel military of using shells that spray out thousands of tiny and potentially lethal darts

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An image provided by the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights of darts from a flechette shell it says the Israeli military fired in Gaza last week.
The Israeli military is using flechette shells, which spray out thousands of tiny and potentially lethal metal darts, in its military operation in Gaza.

Six flechette shells were fired towards the village of Khuzaa, east of Khan Younis, on 17 July, according to the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights. Nahla Khalil Najjar, 37, suffered injuries to her chest, it said. PCHR provided a picture of flechettes taken by a fieldworker last week.

The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) did not deny using the shells in the conflict. "As a rule, the IDF only employs weapons that have been determined lawful under international law, and in a manner which fully conforms with the laws of armed conflict," a spokesperson said in response to a request for specific comment on the deployment of flechettes.

B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights organisation, describes a flechette shell as "an anti-personnel weapon that is generally fired from a tank. The shell explodes in the air and releases thousands of metal darts 37.5mm in length, which disperse in a conical arch 300 metres long and about 90 metres wide".

The munitions are not prohibited under international humanitarian law, but according to B'Tselem, "other rules of humanitarian law render their use in the Gaza Strip illegal. One of the most fundamental principles is the obligation to distinguish between those who are involved and those who are not involved in the fighting, and to avoid to the extent possible injury to those who are not involved. Deriving from this principle is the prohibition of the use of an imprecise weapon which is likely to result in civilian injuries."
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Reply #51 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:57pm
 

Israel and the US love their cluster bombs, they don't care who they blow up.

Did you know there are still 200,000 unexploded cluster bombs in Laos? Compliments of the USA, civilians are still getting maimed and killed by them, 50 years after the Vietnam War. That's Laos, a country that wasn't even involved in the war.
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Reply #52 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 5:05pm
 


MOLOCH (MOLECH).

...

—Biblical Data:
In the Masoretic text the name is "Molech"; in the Septuagint "Moloch." The earliest mention of Molech is in Lev. xviii. 21, where the Israelite is forbidden to sacrifice any of his children to Molech.
(palestinian or goyem children are ok by khazar imposter jew standards ~ edit: IITL)
Similarly, in Lev. xx. 2-5, it is enacted that a man who sacrifices his seed to Molech shall surely be put to death. Then, curiously, it is provided that he shall be cut off from the congregation. In I Kings xi. 7 it is said that Solomon built a high place for Molech in the mountain "that is before Jerusalem." The same passage calls Molech an Ammonite deity. The Septuagint as quoted in the New Testament (Acts vii. 43) finds a reference to Moloch in Amos v. 26; but this is a doubtful passage. In II Kings xxiii. 10 it is stated that one of the practises to which Josiah put a stop by his reform was that of sacrificing children to Molech, and that the place where this form of worship had been practised was at Topheth, "in the valley of the children of Hinnom." This statement is confirmed by Jer. xxxii. 35. From II Kings xxi. 6 it may be inferred that this worship was introduced during the reign of Manasseh. The impression left by an uncritical reading of these passages is that Molech-worship, with its rite of child-sacrifice, was introduced from Ammon during the seventh century B.C.
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Reply #53 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 5:07pm
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:57pm:
Israel and the US love their cluster bombs, they don't care who they blow up.

Did you know there are still 200,000 unexploded cluster bombs in Laos? Compliments of the USA, civilians are still getting maimed and killed by them, 50 years after the Vietnam War. That's Laos, a country that wasn't even involved in the war.



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Reply #54 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 5:22pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:35pm:
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I DONT NEED TO GOOGLE ANYTHING.. I BELIEVE WHAT I SEE ON MY TV..



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Far more logic in Cods comment than in your post.
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Reply #55 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 5:38pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 9:02pm:
I sure hope they succeed in this venture. I hope the Jews expand their First World civilisation so that it gobbles up the useless bastards the world knows as the 'Palestinians' who even the dozen fellow-Arab nations refuse to help.

wally1 wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 4:24pm:
1 million jews is not worth a fingernail of a palestinian.


As a genocidal Hitlerian you're telling us you occupy the moral high-ground, are you?




Your hypocrisy would be laughable if it wasn't so distasteful.
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Reply #56 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 5:38pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 12:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:47pm:
Isn't it true that Palestinians had been living near the Wailing wall for over 200 years &
that the Israelis bulldozed their houses?




Yes, that is true.

Well it wasn't a very nice thing to do.


They set them up in much better houses ~ and gave them all employment for a better life.

Same with the Abos.

We bulldozed their humpies and built them brick houses to live in ... and tried for 200 years to give them a job for a better life ...  Cool


I don't believe that.

I saw a Pally on TV who was living in a rubbish dump after the Jews bulldozed his house
with his mother inside it - who was killed.

His poor mother was as flat as a pancake.
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Reply #57 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 5:42pm
 
cods wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:13pm:
Yadda wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 10:05am:
cods wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:12am:

for those who believe nothing.. then history will be in an even worse mess than it is now.. everything is recorded even setting the alarm clock is recorded somewhere..historians in 200 years will have a terrible time deciding who or what was telling the truth..

we watch it as it happens every night on our TV.. yet we are now told not to believe any of it.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

we no longer have artists painting history and hiding the paintings for dozens of years..

so just who do we believe.???

are the cameras filming said atrocities not really doing so  Roll Eyesits all Hollywood illusion???





cods,

Because some areas in Gaza, are where military activity - directed against Israeli civilian areas - is coming from - Israel has OPENLY AND PUBLICLY declared to Gazans that Israel is declaring those areas of Gaza to be 'hot' military zones.

And Israel has - OPENLY AND PUBLICLY - advised all civilian residents of those areas, to leave those areas.

But it is also being reported, that Hamas is telling [is ordering?] local residents of these areas - NOT TO AID ISRAEL - BY EVACUATING those areas.


cods,

QUESTION;
Are these truths, all a Hollywood illusion too???

HEY ITS NOT ME THAT CLAIMS ALL MEDIA [OR AT LEAST THE ONES SOME CHOOSE] ARE SHITE AND SHOULD NOT BE BELIEVED..



cods,

QUESTION;
Because Hamas cadres choose to 'hide behind' many of their own women and children - while they [Hamas] launch rockets against population centres in Israel - [the argument being made by some] is that the Israelis cannot/should not, target Hamas [in their efforts to prevent the attacks against population centres in Israel] ?



THATS WHAT I MEAN....... JUST WHO DO SOME BELIEVE ARE THE PICTURES WE SEE EVERY NIGHT

HOLLYWOOD BULLSHITE.

SOME ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE PROPAGANDA COMING OUT OF RUSSIA RIGHT NOW..THEY PREFER THAT TO WHAT OUR PM IS SAYING...ITS QUITE AMAZING REALLY.




Quote:

"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV:
'Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood'


"Our children are our glory and honor,

they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine,

and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."



http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-...


Google;
"Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood"





I DONT NEED TO GOOGLE ANYTHING.. I BELIEVE WHAT I SEE ON MY TV.. FOR THE MOST PART I DO BELIEVE ISRAEL IS LETTING THEM KNOW WHERE AND WHEN THEY WILL BOMB...HOW THEY KNOW WHERE THE HAMAS ARE HIDING I WOULDNT KNOW.. BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THEIR INTENTION IS TO KILL CHILDREN  JUST FOR THE HELL OF IT..

ITS HAMAS WHO DO THE WRONG THING BY HIDING BEHIND LITTLE CHILDREN...COWARDS,..


Are you aware that Gaza is the most densely populated place on earth? Where do you propose they run to?

Those children probably had the same faith in human nature that you do - that surely nobody would intentionally kill them. So they went to the only place that they could be clearly seen - the open sands of the beach. Look where their naivety got them...blown to bits.
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Reply #58 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 6:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:47pm:
Isn't it true that Palestinians had been living near the Wailing wall for over 200 years &
that the Israelis bulldozed their houses?


Yes, that is true.

Well it wasn't a very nice thing to do.



Since when is any government on the planet described as 'nice'?
No such thing.
They probably did those Palestinians a favour by destroying those 200 year old humpies.
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Reply #59 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 6:25pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 5:38pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 12:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 4:47pm:
Isn't it true that Palestinians had been living near the Wailing wall for over 200 years &
that the Israelis bulldozed their houses?




Yes, that is true.

Well it wasn't a very nice thing to do.


They set them up in much better houses ~ and gave them all employment for a better life.

Same with the Abos.

We bulldozed their humpies and built them brick houses to live in ... and tried for 200 years to give them a job for a better life ...  Cool


I don't believe that.

I saw a Pally on TV who was living in a rubbish dump after the Jews bulldozed his house
with his mother inside it - who was killed.

His poor mother was as flat as a pancake.


No doubt.
Perhaps mother should have listened to the instruction to get out.
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