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Question: Who can we blame for the war in Gaza?

Israel    
  3 (21.4%)
Hamas    
  6 (42.9%)
Palestinians    
  0 (0.0%)
The USA    
  1 (7.1%)
Egypt    
  0 (0.0%)
Iran    
  0 (0.0%)
All of the above    
  2 (14.3%)
Freemasons    
  2 (14.3%)




Total votes: 14
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Reply #510 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:10pm
 
Israel would not collapse without US support - at least not in the short term. But some serious equivocation from the US regarding their current unconditional support would result in some major backpeddling by Israeli leaders.

In short, actions such as this current turkey shoot in Gaza would not be possible if Israel weren't 100% certain it had the full backing of the US. Note the recent shipment of arms by the US to sustain the current bombardment.
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Reply #511 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:18pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:10pm:
Israel would not collapse without US support - at least not in the short term. But some serious equivocation from the US regarding their current unconditional support would result in some major backpeddling by Israeli leaders.

In short, actions such as this current turkey shoot in Gaza would not be possible if Israel weren't 100% certain it had the full backing of the US. Note the recent shipment of arms by the US to sustain the current bombardment.


I hope Israel doesn't collapse or we'll see the Samson Option.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option


Israel will take the whole world with them.

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Reply #512 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:18pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 10:40pm:
Sir Bobby
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Really -
what about the $3 billion a year in military aid given to Israel by the USA?



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What about it?? Do you really truly think that gives the US any real power over Israel??


Of course it does - Israel would collapse without the Yanks.

I think that's the ultimate gamer plan of Hamas - turn world opinion against Israel - namely US opinion - & Hamas wins.

In my opinion the whole lot of them in the Middle East are a bunch of lunatic savages.

Just look at the savagery of ISIS & the Libyans.
All Arabs are savages  & Israel is surrounded by them & has become just as savage to fight back.


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Reply #513 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:37pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:18pm:
I hope Israel doesn't collapse or we'll see the Samson Option.


A "collapse" along the lines of Israel transitioning from an apartheid, exclusionary state into an inclusionary bi-national true democracy is the most likely sort of collapse - and the most desirable outcome for everyone.
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Reply #514 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:40pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:18pm:
I hope Israel doesn't collapse or we'll see the Samson Option.


A "collapse" along the lines of Israel transitioning from an apartheid, exclusionary state into an inclusionary bi-national true democracy is the most likely sort of collapse - and the most desirable outcome for everyone.



But the Arabs would make a 2nd holocaust -
even worse than the 1st one.
They would cut every Jew's head off with a blunt knife.

That's why Israel would take the whole world down with them.
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Reply #515 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:47pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:40pm:
But the Arabs would make a 2nd holocaust -
even worse than the 1st one.
They would cut every Jew's head off with a blunt knife.


Thats one point of view.

Another point of view is that the Palestinians simply want to have the occupation ended and be allowed to build a viable existence for themselves.

Outrageous view, I know  Tongue
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Reply #516 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 7:38am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:40pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:18pm:
I hope Israel doesn't collapse or we'll see the Samson Option.


A "collapse" along the lines of Israel transitioning from an apartheid, exclusionary state into an inclusionary bi-national true democracy is the most likely sort of collapse - and the most desirable outcome for everyone.



But the Arabs would make a 2nd holocaust -
even worse than the 1st one.
They would cut every Jew's head off with a blunt knife.

That's why Israel would take the whole world down with them.



Israel's nuclear opacity and the Samson option are two of the reasons the US can't just dump Israel on its ass. Read up on how Nixon bent over for Golda Meir because she threatened the world with nuclear bombs.

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Reply #517 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 7:55am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 5th, 2014 at 7:38am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:40pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:18pm:
I hope Israel doesn't collapse or we'll see the Samson Option.


A "collapse" along the lines of Israel transitioning from an apartheid, exclusionary state into an inclusionary bi-national true democracy is the most likely sort of collapse - and the most desirable outcome for everyone.



But the Arabs would make a 2nd holocaust -
even worse than the 1st one.
They would cut every Jew's head off with a blunt knife.

That's why Israel would take the whole world down with them.



Israel's nuclear opacity and the Samson option are two of the reasons the US can't just dump Israel on its ass. Read up on how Nixon bent over for Golda Meir because she threatened the world with nuclear bombs.




Have you got a link?
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Reply #518 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 8:46am
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 9:28pm:
Feed the camels of course.


NO.

That would lead to Mad Camel's Disease.

A British and Irish inquiry into BSE concluded the epizootic was caused by cattle, which are normally herbivores, being fed the remains of other cattle in the form of meat and bone meal (MBM), which caused the infectious agent to spread.[7][8] The cause of BSE may be from the contamination of MBM from sheep with scrapie that were processed in the same slaughterhouse.


Some bright spark thought it would be a good idea to feed meat to cattle ....

Hang 'em high, Bobby!
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Reply #519 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 9:30am
 
At last! ~ someone who is happy to cut through all the PC bullshit and the 'soft-cock' reconciliation nonsense and advocate a Final Solution to the endless mischief of their Palestinian neighbours.

"An Israeli official has called for concentration camps in Gaza and ‘the conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters’.

Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset and member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party, posted the inflammatory message on his Facebook page at the weekend. 

He lays out a detailed plan for the destruction of Gaza -  which includes shipping its residents across the world - in a letter he addressed to the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The message, which received more than 2,000 likes on his page, lists four action points which he wants to be enforced as soon as possible.

Feiglin details the first one as 'defining the enemy' and states: 'The strategic enemy is extremist Arab Islam in all its varieties, from Iran to Gaza, which seeks to annihilate Israel in its entirety. The immediate enemy is Hamas. (Not the tunnels, not the rockets, but Hamas.)'

He says another important part of his plan is the 'conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters.'


His bold vision for an extermination of a persistent and perennial enemy is morally unimpeachable given that this same enemy has sworn to exterminate the Israelis when the means comes to hand. It's a case of intelligently pre-empting those who are committed to a genocide upon your people.

More strength to this fellow.

He's tired of this never-ending rocket-fire from the Palestinian side of the border, and very sensibly he wants to put a stop to it once and for all for the sake of future generations of Israelis.

It's a shame Britain and Australia doesn't have a politician with the sort of patriotic backbone that this fellow has.

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Reply #520 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 9:31am
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 5th, 2014 at 7:55am:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 5th, 2014 at 7:38am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:40pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 4th, 2014 at 11:18pm:
I hope Israel doesn't collapse or we'll see the Samson Option.


A "collapse" along the lines of Israel transitioning from an apartheid, exclusionary state into an inclusionary bi-national true democracy is the most likely sort of collapse - and the most desirable outcome for everyone.



But the Arabs would make a 2nd holocaust -
even worse than the 1st one.
They would cut every Jew's head off with a blunt knife.

That's why Israel would take the whole world down with them.



Israel's nuclear opacity and the Samson option are two of the reasons the US can't just dump Israel on its ass. Read up on how Nixon bent over for Golda Meir because she threatened the world with nuclear bombs.




Have you got a link?



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In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missiles and aircraft. The Israeli Ambassador warned President Nixon of "very serious conclusions" if the United States did not airlift supplies. Nixon complied.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

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Reply #521 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 9:35am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 5th, 2014 at 9:30am:
At last! ~ someone who is happy to cut through all the PC bullshit and the 'soft-cock' reconciliation nonsense and advocate a Final Solution to the endless mischief of their Palestinian neighbours.

"An Israeli official has called for concentration camps in Gaza and ‘the conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters’.

Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset and member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party, posted the inflammatory message on his Facebook page at the weekend. 

He lays out a detailed plan for the destruction of Gaza -  which includes shipping its residents across the world - in a letter he addressed to the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The message, which received more than 2,000 likes on his page, lists four action points which he wants to be enforced as soon as possible.

Feiglin details the first one as 'defining the enemy' and states: 'The strategic enemy is extremist Arab Islam in all its varieties, from Iran to Gaza, which seeks to annihilate Israel in its entirety. The immediate enemy is Hamas. (Not the tunnels, not the rockets, but Hamas.)'

He says another important part of his plan is the 'conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters.'


His bold vision for an extermination of a persistent and perennial enemy is morally unimpeachable given that this same enemy has sworn to exterminate the Israelis when the means comes to hand. It's a case of intelligently pre-empting those who are committed to a genocide upon your people.

More strength to this fellow.

He's tired of this never-ending rocket-fire from the Palestinian side of the border, and very sensibly he wants to put a stop to it once and for all for the sake of future generations of Israelis.

It's a shame Britain and Australia doesn't have a politician with the sort of patriotic backbone that this fellow has.

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In an unusually sane move, Bibi rejected it. You know you're a fascist when you're even further to the right than the Netanyahu nazi.
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Reply #522 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 10:10am
 
The dead civilians of Gaza are being held in the freezers of shops and homes that only have intermittent electricity because the morgues are overflowing - they can't bury them quick enough.

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Reply #523 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 10:45am
 


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Isaiah 17:12
Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!
13  The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.
14  And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #524 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 11:05am
 


Deuteronomy 32:8
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
For the LORD'S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.



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AND, since these walls went up, SEPARATING ISRAELIS FROM LOCAL MOSLEMS...


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http://www.deiryassin.org/images/fpwall.jpg

...the ISLAMIC 'martyr' bombings within Israel have virtually stopped.



AND REMEMBER;

"Good fences make good neighbours."





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Israel's actions in separating themselves from ISLAMIC 'martyr' bombers, is totally justified, imo.

Those who regard themselves as God's people have always been directed by God to ALWAYS, to seek to separate themselves from wicked people.

That is the curse, and the burden, that the Jewish people have carried, for thousands of years.

That has always been the reason for the persecution of the Jewish people, by other men.

The Jewish people were ALWAYS, a scapegoat, for the wickedness of mankind.

Leviticus 18:24
Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25  And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26  Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27  (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28  That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
29  For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
30  Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 20:24
...I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people.

Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

Deuteronomy 7:6
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Deuteronomy 32:8
When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
For the LORD'S portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.


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And those who refer to themselves as Christians today, if we regard ourselves as God's people, we should ALSO, seek to separate ourselves from those who are clearly wicked people.

To separate ourselves from evil doers, is still a requirement, of God's people.

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.



Daniel 12:10
Isaiah 48:10
Revelation 21:7-8




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