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Question: Who can we blame for the war in Gaza?

Israel    
  3 (21.4%)
Hamas    
  6 (42.9%)
Palestinians    
  0 (0.0%)
The USA    
  1 (7.1%)
Egypt    
  0 (0.0%)
Iran    
  0 (0.0%)
All of the above    
  2 (14.3%)
Freemasons    
  2 (14.3%)




Total votes: 14
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Reply #585 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 1:07am
 
This pro-Israel guide even inveighs against the false notions (very false!) of Jews having "dual loyalties" (oh never!) concerning Israel and America or that Jews play an oversized role in banking or media (another anti-Semitic canard!) and that even if a lot of Jews "do happen to be" numerically over-represented in certain key professions, one must never accuse them of using their access to power to advance Jewish causes, interests, and so on. The 'guide' is replete with the usual tricks, falsehoods, denials and implicit double-standards for which organized Jewry is famous. The entire enterprise would be laughable if it wasn't so invidious and effective. Many Jews, regrettably, are simply addicted to telling Gentiles how to think and what not to say. They are the world's most accomplished censors, with their latest efforts being directed towards writing and enacting 'hate speech' legislation.

So watch out. 'Anti-Semitism', say the experts, is a 'virus' with no rational basis. That's the official decree. But real history is not so black and white. This is why the entire paradigm of anti-Semitic theory needs to be revised, deconstructed and junked.

In a free and normal world, one should be permitted to like Jews or not like Jews. It depends upon how they act and what they do. And I'll be the first to concede that Jews are a very talented bunch. But identifying one’s friends and enemies should always be an autonomous and rational exercise. No one however has the right to initiate physical violence. But these core values, incredibly, have been turned on their head. Anti-Semitic theory maintains that a 'hostility' to Jews (regardless of how they conduct themselves) is ever-present and that it is an inherent 'sickness'. On the other hand, Jews (and their allies) may initiate violence to achieve any number of noble political objectives. This bizarre mindset now guides official Washington. This double-standard goes a long towards explaining why both the US Senate and House unanimously passed resolutions (Senate 498 & 526, House 107) standing firmly behind Israel's ongoing attacks on Gaza and declaring the puny Palestinian resistance there 'unprovoked'. Washington meanwhile is funneling 'emergency supplies' (weapons) to mega-powerful, hyper-militarized Israel even though it's the people of Gaza--not Israel--who face annihilation. Like 'anti-Semitic theory' itself, Washington's political balance is completely out of whack. The Israel/Palestine conflict is immensely complex and morally ambiguous, to say the least. Yet not one US Senator or Representative--from Bernie Sanders to Rand Paul--broke ranks with the Israel lobby on any of these remarkable resolutions. Not one.

In America today, one can unashamedly root loudly and publicly for the Jews/Israelis--even when it spells existential disaster for others. So why then aren't free and independent people allowed to root against the Israelis? I'm not here to claim that all pro-Zionist positions are indefensible. But America's elected 'leaders' have become Zionized robots. Being reflexively pro-Zionist is now a job requirement in our nation's capitol. Have we Americans lost control of our own country?

Indeed, political dissenters who challenge Pro-Zionist policies in Washington have been targeted and removed from elected office for years. Former US Congressman Paul Findley identified this phenomena 30 years ago in his groundbreaking book 'They Dare to Speak Out'. Unfortunately, conditions in Washington have only worsened. Today, there are no politicians who even remotely qualify as 'anti-Israel' left in our nation's capitol. In official Washington, all traces of resistance to Zionist orthodoxy have been eradicated. This is not healthy.

Remember also: organized Jewry can be unscrupulous. The outside world sees this and understands this. Average people worldwide now understand that pro-Israel organizations inside Washington pushed America into an unnecessary and barbaric war against Iraq in 2003 that lasted nearly ten years. Iraq today is a disaster. Yet these same people and organizations now want to inflict similar damage on Iran. But this is a criminal enterprise. The persistent phenomena of ‘anti-Semitism’ cannot be separated from this deplorable pattern. Thus, the misnamed phenomena of ‘anti-Semitism’ should be understood as a (sometimes) legitimate defense mechanism. This understandable aversion to harmful Jewish activities however is deliberately misidentified by many Jews and falsely diagnosed by them. By deception they do war.

For instance, consider how Jewish influence-peddlers (Adelson, Zuckerberg, Soros, and virtually all of America’s leading Jewish liberals) are welcoming still the boatloads of ‘poor and needy’ non-white immigrants into America. This is sabotage. Meanwhile, these same do-gooders manage to tolerate the ethnic-cleansing of ‘poor and needy’ indigenous Arabs in and around Israel. Anti-Semitic theory downplays or ignores this glaring inconsistency. But we evil 'anti-Semites' don’t. So who’s being honest here?

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Reply #586 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 1:08am
 
When non-Jews become fed up with the often-destructive machinations of organized Jewry, protests and even violence can ensue. Jewish experts however routinely classify these rebellions as ‘outbreaks of anti-Semitism'. This is a self-serving crock, though it often succeeds in quieting dissent. Are we to believe that only Jews are victims or heroes in this back-and-forth drama? If you believe that, you’ve been watching too much television.

Indeed, Jews are not inherently (or historically) a particularly righteous, or virtuous, or benevolent people. If they were, they’d be far more popular. Jews are a tribal, ambitious and ethnocentric people. It’s therefore the job of us (non-Jewish) outsiders to level the political playing field. Step one: take back control of the English language by dumping the tribe-friendly term ‘anti-Semitic'. Call anti-Semitism what it really is: a widespread and understandable aversion to what Jews do. That’s one working definition anyway. Like it?

I hope that someday we can honestly make peace with organized Jewry. But they must first reform their ways. In the meantime, why not examine the phenomena of 'Jewish supremacism'?--and then keep on examining it. Let's put the heat where it belongs.

In the real world, there is now some necessity­and even virtue­in the complex phenomena commonly derided as ‘anti-Semitism'. After all, it takes courage and stamina to speak out against the genuine misdeeds of organized global Jewry. It can be a perilous venture. Let's begin our journey together by collectively rejecting the insidious term ‘anti-Semitism'.
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Reply #587 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 7:31am
 
jmjcare wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 12:21am:
Israeli soldiers abduct 11 Palestinians in West Bank

Israeli forces have stormed a number of houses across the occupied West Bank, abducting at least 11 Palestinians and injuring several others.

According to local news and security sources, Israeli forces stormed a house in the city of al-Khalil (Hebron), arresting Ibrahim Jaber, who had been released in a 2011 prison swap.

Four others, including another former prisoner, were arrested in the town of Dura after Israeli forces stormed their houses, causing property damage. The men were reportedly assaulted before being taken away.

In the northern West Bank city of Jenin, three Palestinians were also kidnapped after the villages of Silat al-Harithiya, Kafr Dan, and Faqqua were raided.

At Za’tara checkpoint, located to the south of the city of Nablus, Israeli soldiers abducted 17-year-old Beirut Ali Mohammad. Reports indicate she was released hours later.

Two others were also abducted in the district of Bethlehem and the village of Baqa Ash-Sharqiya.

Tensions have been running high in the occupied West Bank since Israel launched a deadly military operation against Gaza on July 8.

The violent arrests come amid a 72-hour humanitarian truce between Israel and the Palestinian resistance movement Hamas.

The Israeli regime’s 29 days of military attacks against the Gaza Strip claimed the lives of nearly 1,900 Palestinians, including more than 400 children, and wounded over 9,500 others.


What do you expect from the jewish cancer of the middle east.

There so tough.

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Reply #588 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 7:39am
 
jmjcare wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 12:23am:
What are we doing in Gaza Strip? Israel troops ask

An organization of veteran Israeli combatants says many Israeli soldiers have questioned Tel Aviv’s aggression on the Gaza Strip, as Israel stations its forces along the border with the besieged Palestinian enclave in preparation for yet another possible offensive.

Yehuda Shaul, co-founder of Breaking the Silence organization, told RT on Wednesday that “There are a lot of soldiers who come back and say to themselves, 'What the hell are we doing here? Why are we using so much force? Why are we treating them this way?'”

A rising number of soldiers have reportedly decided not to continue working with the army.

A group of 50 reserve Israeli soldiers signed an open letter to the Washington Post last month, expressing their opposition to Israel’s current military operations in Gaza.

    “To us, the current military operation and the way militarization affects Israeli society are inseparable. In Israel, war is not merely politics by other means; it replaces politics. Israel is no longer able to think about a solution to a political conflict except in terms of physical might; no wonder it is prone to never-ending cycles of mortal violence,” the letter said.

Israel has gone to war five times in the past eight years, three of them were against Gazans.

The Israeli regime’s military attacks on the Gaza Strip claimed the lives of nearly 1,900 Palestinians, including more than 400 children, and wounded over 9,500 others.

A 72-hour humanitarian truce between the Palestinian resistance movement Hamas and Israel took effect at 8 a.m. (0500 GMT) on Tuesday.

Meanwhile, Israeli tanks were stationed near the Gaza border on Thursday, as the ceasefire is about to end.


The south african government has takes action against jews from there country who have joined the IDF, australia should show some spine and prosecute any jew who leaves australia to join the IDF.

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Reply #589 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 8:01am
 
when the caliphate declares war on the Iranians, they will declare war on the arabs and we will witness a Persian versus arab massacre of the biblical proportions (put that one in there for you yadda).
Egypt is a failed state, Algeria is fooked, Libya is run by warlords, Syria is fooked, Iraq is fooked , yemen relies on the USA drones to help control al queda, the Saudis are about to implode. Now that amerika is energy independent they will pull out and let the middle eastern morons massacre each other by the bushel (with weapons the yanks sold them).
This is payback on an epic scale for 9/11.
as I said, revenge is a dish best served cold.

if the luvvies think these pictures of a handful of Palestinian civilians are an outrage, i'd suggest they buy a few container loads of SD cards for their cameras because they aint seen nothing yet.
The jews if they are smart (which they are) will hide under their dome and then emerge in a few years and pic through the ruins of the whole middle east.
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Reply #590 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 8:33am
 


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when the caliphate declares war on the Iranians,......




Psalms 9:11
Sing praises to the LORD, which dwelleth in Zion: declare among the people his doings.
12  When he maketh inquisition for blood, he remembereth them: he forgetteth not the cry of the humble.
13  Have mercy upon me, O LORD; consider my trouble which I suffer of them that hate me, thou that liftest me up from the gates of death:
14  That I may shew forth all thy praise in the gates of the daughter of Zion: I will rejoice in thy salvation.
15  The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made: in the net which they hid is their own foot taken.
16  The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17  The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


Hallelujah.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #591 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 8:47am
 

Psalms 9:15
The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made: in the net which they hid is their own foot taken.
16  The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.




WATCH THIS VIDEO!!!!!!


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The video......

Allah once again blesses the righteous moslems, and sends many of them to his paradise.

The moslems are greatful - and in the video, you can hear many of the moslems praise Allah, again and again and again.



Luckily, the bomb didn't take out the cameraman!
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Great camera work!!!



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9xnBV62xvM

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #592 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 9:10am
 
jmjcare wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 12:23am:
What are we doing in Gaza Strip? Israel troops ask

An organization of veteran Israeli combatants says many Israeli soldiers have questioned Tel Aviv’s aggression on the Gaza Strip,


Conclusion: Not all Jews have an IQ that can understand simple commonsense.

Answer: It's to dissuade further gratuitous and vindictive rocket-fire from Hamas. By necessity this requires that the ordinary civilian population of the Gaza Strip becomes the mediators for peace on behalf of the Israelis.

The civilians will in future monitor the military movements and deployments of Hamas's military arm with a view to protesting against the placement of weaponry and rockets in residential areas so as to avoid a repeat of what has just recently been happening.

The Gaza Strip Palestinian civilians are now wholly on the side of Israel with regard to stopping aggressive action from the Hamas militia.

The bombing of Germany lost Hitler his support from the civilian population. It was they who wanted to sue for peace and the disarming of Hitler's hordes.

jmjcare wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 12:23am:
Yehuda Shaul, co-founder of Breaking the Silence organization, told RT on Wednesday that “There are a lot of soldiers who come back and say to themselves, 'What the hell are we doing here? Why are we using so much force? Why are we treating them this way?'”


And what were they told? Please complete this narrative by posting up what they were told.

jmjcare wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 12:23am:
A group of 50 reserve Israeli soldiers signed an open letter to the Washington Post last month, expressing their opposition to Israel’s current military operations in Gaza.


Then let them be billeted in the same area where Hamas's thousands of rockets had come raining down from the skies.   

jmjcare wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 12:23am:
Israel has gone to war five times in the past eight years, three of them were against Gazans.


Precisely. And there's your answer as to why the Israelis felt "enough is enough" ~ and that this serial aggression from the Gazans was because they weren't suffering enough from the previous retaliations.

It's like a naughty schoolboy who continues with his bad behaviour because writing out a hundred times "I must not misbehave any more" holds no fear for him as would 'six of the best' on his bare arse.

The proof of Israel's strategic justification for having been heavy-handed this time will be seen in Hamas's future attitude to the wisdom of firing rockets at the Jews across the border.

I'm betting they've learnt the lesson to behave themselves in the future.



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Reply #593 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 9:30am
 
wally1 wrote on Aug 7th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
Israel could of ended the war in 3 days, but it knowingly let hamas shoot rockets at israel so israel can do more bombings and kill more civilians.





There's the whole debate in a nutshell:

Israel MAKES the Palestinians shoot rockets at it, don't you know. Arabs generally and Palestinians in particular have no agency, they are helpless puppets, children with zero ability to act freely.

This is why they are excused for everything. The Jews, on the other hand, being free, are forgiven nothing, especially not self-defence.
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Reply #594 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 3:01pm
 
Netanyahu Urges US Lawmakers to Defend Israel Against ICC "War Crimes" Prosecution

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Jon Queally

According to U.S. Congressman Steve Israel (D-NY), the Israeli government hopes that he and his colleagues in Washington, DC will do everything in their power to prevent the International Criminal Court from pushing forward with possible war crimes charges against his nation over its recent attack on the Gaza Strip which resulted in the killing over nearly 1,900 Palestinians, including a large proportion of civilians and hundreds of children.

Speaking to the New York Post from Israel, where he was travelling at the invitation of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (or AIPAC), Rep. Israel described the meeting between U.S. lawmakers in the delegation, AIPAC officials, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

“The prime minister asked us to work together to ensure that this strategy of going to the ICC does not succeed,” the congressman told the Post. “[Netanyahu] wants the US to use all the tools that we have at our disposal to, number one, make sure the world knows that war crimes were not committed by Israel, they were committed by Hamas. And that Israel should not be held to a double standard.”

During a meeting at The Hague on Tuesday of this week, Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad al-Malki told prosecutors at the International Criminal Court that "clear evidence" of war crimes by Israel against the people of Gaza exists.

"Everything that has happened in the last 28 days is clear evidence of war crimes committed by Israel, amounting to crimes against humanity," Malki said. "There is no difficulty for us to show or build the case. Evidence is there for people to see and collect. Israel is in clear violation of international law."

Prior to his trip, Rep. Israel released a statement announcing, "I have always been one of Israel’s strongest supporters in the U.S. Congress, and I will always stand up for its needs.” Recently, during the height of the conflict the congressman was among lawmakers who signed a letter to the United Nations calling on it to "condemn Hamas’ use of civilians as human shields, which is a direct violation of international law." That the Hamas government "uses human shields" in Gaza is a familiar Israeli government talking point, but no independent evidence exists to support the accusation and the claim is widely dismissed as straight propaganda by agencies and experts on the ground in Gaza.

Despite Congressman Israel's characterization of the conflict in Gaza—and the consistent defense by Netanyahu and other Israeli officials that its military's behavior in the Strip was and is justified—global indignation and condemnation has resulted from the fact that while three civilians and just over 60 soldiers were killed on the Israeli side during the fighting, official estimates on the Palestinian side put the death toll at 1,865 people killed, including 429 children under the age of 18; 79 people over the age of 60; and 243 women.

The Israeli government continues to repeat that it killed "900+ terrorists" during what it called Operation Protective Edge, but it offers no convincing argument on how it distinguishes an adult Palestinian male sleeping in his bed, seeking shelter, or fleeing hostilities from someone acting in a military or offensive capacity.

Meanwhile, Amnesty International on Thursday announced that is has seen mounting and "alarming" evidence that the IDF launched what it called "apparently deliberate attacks" against hospitals and health professionals in Gaza during Israel's incursion.

“Such attacks are absolutely prohibited by international law and would amount to war crimes," aid Philip Luther, Middle East and North Africa Director at Amnesty International. "They only add to the already compelling argument that the situation should be referred to the International Criminal Court.”

Earlier this week, Human Rights Watch said it has now documented cases in which Israel fired on civilians who were fleeing the violence and stated that "deliberate attacks on civilians who are not participating in the fighting are war crimes."

“The horrors of war are bad enough for civilians even when all sides abide by the law,” said  Sarah Leah Whitson, HRW's regional director for the Middle East and North Africa. “But it’s abhorrent that Israeli forces are making matters even worse by so blatantly violating the laws of war designed to spare civilians.”

On Wednesday evening, as he addressed an informal meeting of the United Nation's General Assembly, the head of the UN Ban Ki-Moon said the utter destruction of Gaza and the humanitarian crisis that continues there has both "shocked and shamed" the global community.

Speaking from Gaza, Pierre Krähenbühl, the head of the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) office there, said that 90 of the agency’s premises were hit during the conflict. He said that UNRWA has asked for investigations to be carried out regarding the attacks on agency-run schools that had been sheltering displaced Gazans.

“Perhaps nothing symbolized more the horror that was unleashed on the people of Gaza," said Ban, "than the repeated shelling of United Nations facilities harbouring civilians who had been explicitly told to seek a safe haven there. These attacks were outrageous, unacceptable and unjustifiable.”

(commondreams.org/news/2014/08/07/netanyahu-urges-us-lawmakers-defend-israel-aga
inst-icc-war-crimes-prosecution)

says a lot doesn't it!
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Reply #595 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 3:06pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 9:10am:
jmjcare wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 12:23am:
What are we doing in Gaza Strip? Israel troops ask

An organization of veteran Israeli combatants says many Israeli soldiers have questioned Tel Aviv’s aggression on the Gaza Strip,


Conclusion: Not all Jews have an IQ that can understand simple commonsense.

Answer: It's to dissuade further gratuitous and vindictive rocket-fire from Hamas. By necessity this requires that the ordinary civilian population of the Gaza Strip becomes the mediators for peace on behalf of the Israelis.

The civilians will in future monitor the military movements and deployments of Hamas's military arm with a view to protesting against the placement of weaponry and rockets in residential areas so as to avoid a repeat of what has just recently been happening.

The Gaza Strip Palestinian civilians are now wholly on the side of Israel with regard to stopping aggressive action from the Hamas militia.

The bombing of Germany lost Hitler his support from the civilian population. It was they who wanted to sue for peace and the disarming of Hitler's hordes.



Read here if you can - breakingthesilence.org.il/testimonies/database  or watch
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Ex-soldiers' group speaks out to condemn Israeli shelling of civilians

By Ben Lynfield
5:00 AM Tuesday Aug 5, 2014

nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11303909

Memories of his service along the Gaza border two years ago have been streaming through the mind of Shai Davidovich this week as he hears news of heavy Palestinian civilian casualties from the Israeli military campaign.

Davidovich, 27, educational director for the ex-soldiers' group Breaking the Silence, served in field intelligence during Operation Pillar of Defence, a previous Israeli war against Hamas in Gaza in 2012. He says he was repeatedly ordered to help prepare for the firing of artillery during the hostilities.

"We got orders every day that at 5pm we will shoot artillery. We prepared all day for this, but in the end it didn't happen. It was surrealistic to see kids playing in Beit Hanoun ... I don't remember that anyone ever spoke about the civilian population. I thought to myself, 'How can you fire without harming civilians?' Artillery is an imprecise weapon. Artillery fire to an area inhabited by civilians cannot be moral, we trained on open areas."

Davidovich unequivocally opposes the new conflict, unlike the near-consensus of Israelis who view this as a just war of self-defence against rocket fire and tunnel infiltrations, and blame Hamas for all the civilian casualties.

"Any campaign in which the civilian population is harmed on a large scale cannot be moral. Israel has a right to defend itself, but not like this."

Alarmed at the civilian deaths, Breaking the Silence compiled testimonies from soldiers who served in previous Israeli operations in Gaza to make a statement against the current fighting. The testimonies cover Operation Rainbow in 2004, Operation Cast Lead in 2008-9 and Operation Pillar of Defence in 2012.

"If you look at all the recent operations continuing into the current operation you see a moral descent that doesn't stop and a military aggressiveness that only increases," says Yehuda Shaul, the founder of Breaking the Silence. "The level of destruction, the death toll of civilians and the practices teach us that it gets worse and worse."

He takes issue with the use of artillery and the bombing of family homes of Hamas personalities, which the army says are used for command and are, therefore, legitimate targets.

Shaul says that even if Israel warns civilians to vacate areas to be targeted, that does not absolve it of moral responsibility for their fate.

"If they don't leave do they deserve to die? ... When you use artillery in a place like Gaza you can't say you are taking every precaution to avoid civilian casualties. It's not the case that generals are looking to kill more civilians, far from that. But we are far away from the official line that everything is being done to avoid civilian casualties."

The army believes the group is rehashing old claims in order to embarrass it at a sensitive time. Asked about Breaking the Silence's allegations, Colonel Shaul Shay, former deputy head of Israel's National Security Council and a scholar at the Interdisciplinary Centre in Herzliya, near Tel Aviv, says that the army "kept, is keeping and will keep high moral standards in all its Gaza operations".

"To our sorrow, the approach of Hamas is to use civilians as a human shield and to war against our civilian population. The army adheres in an exceptional manner almost to the point of endangering our soldiers in order to try to have war with minimum civilian casualties.

"The more Hamas shelling builds shooting positions, tunnels and attack positions in built-up areas, the more the army is forced to fight there and from this there are [civilian] casualties.

"Breaking the Silence has no case and it saddens me that Israelis make such claims at such a time, claims that serve the propaganda ... of the enemy."

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Reply #597 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 4:05pm
 
Under fire, under pressure

Sgt Major Amir Marmor
Unit: Armoured Corps, 2008-2009
"We began a week of practice on the ground, during which we talked with the officers commanding the operation. Pretty soon we realised that the idea was not just a campaign, but an actual war in which gloves were to be taken off. Considerations we were accustomed to hearing in briefings, like rules of engagement and attempts not to hurt innocents and the like, were not made this time. On the contrary, the attitude was, war is war. To paraphrase the brigade commander who spoke to us one day in the field ... we should have no second thoughts about damaging anything - including mosques, including any threat we feel, real or imagined. The approach is to open fire and to try not to consider the repercussions. At any obstacle, any problem, we open fire and don't ask questions. Even if it's firing in the dark, aiming at an unknown target, firing when we can't see, deterrent fire, no problem with that. A vehicle that's in the way, crush it. A building in the way, shell it. This was the spirit of things that was repeated throughout the training."

Staff Sgt Shai Davidovich
Unit: Field intelligence, 2012
"We were positioned east of Beit Hanoun [north Gaza]. People are walking around in the streets with lots of children hanging about. I see kids on bicycles in a street where shells are falling and the children run around free. Not far from the houses was a major hit ... Our mission was to shoot at sources of fire. It was very intense in both directions ... Crazy blasts. You keep seeing all of Gaza up in the air. The light it created, it was insane ... I don't remember seeing a group of combatants, just flashes of rockets fired all the time. You see houses but it's very difficult to detect a target. You can't be precise - you can't really aim."

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Unit: Artillery, 2008-2009
"The problem with artillery fighting in an urban area is that one tries to be as precise as possible, but there are a million parameters at play: weather, the weight of the shell. I might have a high-explosive squash head that blows up and destroys a lot with that kind of weight, and then another shell of a different weight. If you don't check the weight, you can have a 200-300m difference in range that may end up hitting a school instead of the target.
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Reply #598 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 4:13pm
 
Sometimes less is more, jmjcare ...   Cool Smiley

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"Australia must pick peace, not a side..."

- Tim Mayfield

facilitators of wickedness in man.....

spineless gummies, who are unwilling to defend truth....



In the Israel/Hamas conflict in Gaza, one side is fighting for the right to commit genocide.



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Australia must pick peace, not a side
By Tim Mayfield

1 Aug 2014

In the face of the intensifying tragedy in Gaza, Australia must be a voice in favour of moderation and constraint in this conflict, not a cheerleader for one side, writes Tim Mayfield.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-01/mayfield-australia-must-pick-peace-not-a-s...


What about Hamas, Tim ?

Must Hamas pick peace ???????




2014-Aug-08
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Hamas rejects extension to the latest 72 hour ceasefire, chooses to recommence launching rockets against Israeli cities and towns.

In effect, Hamas is declaring that it is prepared to fight against the Zionists, until the last breath - of the last woman and last child in Gaza!


In its conflict with Hamas, Israel offered to extend the latest 72 hour ceasefire.

But Hamas surprise, surprise, has said it will not extend the ceasefire.




Meanwhile, the Australian government pledges 10 AU$million - which will, in effect, go to aid the next stage of Hamas's war effort.


Hamas says it will not extend Gaza ceasefire
Australia announces $10 million in aid for Gaza

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-08/hama-says-ready-to-resume-war/5656882
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-08/hamas-says-it-will-not-extend-gaza-ceasefi...


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