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Reply #15 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 9:24pm

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Thats nice FD - and yet I didn't see Brian make one mention of not wanting to criticise suicide bombers who blow up worshippers at mosques.

This is how Brian feels about criticising Muslims:

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

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Reply #16 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 9:37pm

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I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Needless to say, this is the very definition of moral cowardice.

Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".

Or say nothing, in case they 'offend'.

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Re: The first Australian suicide bomber
Reply #17 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 9:59pm

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Then they came for the Shites, but I did not speak out, for it is politically incorrect to criticise Muslims for strapping on explosive vests and walking into Mosques.

Thats nice FD - and yet I didn't see Brian make one mention of not wanting to criticise suicide bombers who blow up worshippers at mosques.

What he did criticise though was the call for all "islamics" [sic] to be deported from Australia.

What do you think about the actual statement that Brian was talking about? Was it something that you would join Brian in condemning? Or do you prefer spinelessly apologising for it by building strawmen to attack Brian?

I think we should refuse citizenship to people who are ideologically opposed to our core values. This would involve the deportation of non-citizens who are already here. Some might even be Muslims. I would draw the line at people who are citizens. Deportation loses it's meaning in that context.

So you disagree with Sprint, then, FD?

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You seem to have missed the point of the poem Brian quoted about "not speaking out".

Oh, but I am speaking out. I am speaking out against fascism of the type proposed by Sprint and his ilk, FD. Would you prefer I stood by and did nothing?

I can speak out against Sprint's and even your intolerance, FD.

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Re: The first Australian suicide bomber
Reply #18 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 12:24pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:40am:

You are a sick, intolerant person who expresses bigotry towards

So are you Brian, do you realise why?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 9:59pm:

I am speaking out against fascism of the type proposed by Sprint and his ilk

Fascism? You have lost the plot Brian.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 9:59pm:

I can speak out against Sprint's and even your intolerance,

The next term Brian will use is Racist to stifle and shut down the topic.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49224 At my desk.	Re: The first Australian suicide bomber Reply #20 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 6:50pm Quote: Oh, but I am speaking out. I am speaking out against fascism of the type proposed by Sprint and his ilk, FD. Would you prefer I stood by and did nothing? I would prefer you weren't so hypocritical about it.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The first Australian suicide bomber Reply #21 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:20pm freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 6:50pm: I would prefer you weren't so hypocritical about it. A bit like railing against one type of fascism, but not speaking out against people who call for fascism to be imposed in this country by deporting/punishing citizens on the basis of religion?
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: The first Australian suicide bomber Reply #22 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 8:25pm Wasnt the suppossed first suicide bomber from qld few months ago, so how can the original article claim that abu bakr al australi was the first suicide bomber?
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Reply #23 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 8:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 7:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 6:50pm:

I would prefer you weren't so hypocritical about it.

A bit like railing against one type of fascism, but not speaking out against people who call for fascism to be imposed in this country by deporting/punishing citizens on the basis of religion?

You still haven't figured it out yet have you Gandalf? I'm pretty sure you have previously revealed your own personal distaste for Brian's spineless apologetics. You must have forgotten.

In any case, he did not merely fail to criticise one type of fascism. He provided a skin crawling justification for why his is both incapable and unentitled to.

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Reply #24 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 9:42pm

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 8:50pm:

In any case, he did not merely fail to criticise one type of fascism. He provided a skin crawling justification for why his is both incapable and unentitled to.

This latest campaign was in response to Brian posting the Niemöller quote - which I just found interesting because not speaking out against those who (if you like) "came for the muslims" is exactly what you are doing.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #25 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 9:59pm

wally1 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Wasnt the suppossed first suicide bomber from qld few months ago, so how can the original article claim that abu bakr al australi was the first suicide bomber?

The link in the op states he was the first to blow himself up in Iraq, the link also mentions the other who blew himself up in Syria.

Muslims kids..they blow up pretty fast..

Walid and Gandalf- Do you think these suicidal homicidal devout muslims will be rewarded by allah with houris and rivers of wine in paradise or will they burn in the hellfire for all eternity?

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Re: The first Australian suicide bomber
Reply #26 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 10:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 9:42pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 8:50pm:

In any case, he did not merely fail to criticise one type of fascism. He provided a skin crawling justification for why his is both incapable and unentitled to.

This latest campaign was in response to Brian posting the Niemöller quote - which I just found interesting because not speaking out against those who (if you like) "came for the muslims" is exactly what you are doing.

I have spoken out in defence of Muslims before. Interesting that you bring up that quote. Don't you think it is hypocritical and hollow, given his previous explanations for why he is incapable and has no right to speak out in other contexts? The irony of Brian using that particular quote was not lost on others either. We are not ignoring it. We are responding to Brian's galling hypocrisy - which you are still apparently blind to.

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Reply #27 - Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 12:24am

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 10:10pm:

Don't you think it is hypocritical and hollow, given his previous explanations for why he is incapable and has no right to speak out in other contexts?

Those "other contexts" were specifically the laws and practices of other countries. Here we have people openly calling for persecution of people based on their religious beliefs - right here in our own country. I actually think this constitutes a fairly serious threat that has far more relevance to us all - as Australians. So no, I don't really think its hypocritical for Brian to be more concerned about what happens in the society in which we live in - than to foreign communities living on the other side of the world that he has nothing to do with.

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 10:10pm:

We are responding to Brian's galling hypocrisy - which you are still apparently blind to.

99% of posters here come here to demonize muslims and islam. While Brian has made it clear he has little sympathy for islam, he probably feels that space is well and trully covered - so much so that some counter views are needed to level things up a bit - if ever so slightly. So instead of refuting the vitriolic crap that sprint and yadda spew (which I am certain you yourself recognise as crap), you run after Brian all day - not because what he says is anywhere near as reprehensible as what most others here say - but because you simply can't bring yourself to address what you must know are the lies and dishonesty of the anti-muslim crowd. Hence this latest attack on Brian is entirely hypocritical on your part.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #28 - Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 9:50am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 9:59pm:

wally1 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Wasnt the suppossed first suicide bomber from qld few months ago, so how can the original article claim that abu bakr al australi was the first suicide bomber?

The link in the op states he was the first to blow himself up in Iraq, the link also mentions the other who blew himself up in Syria.

Muslims kids..they blow up pretty fast..

Walid and Gandalf- Do you think these suicidal homicidal devout muslims will be rewarded by allah with houris and rivers of wine in paradise or will they burn in the hellfire for all eternity?

I dont know, i dont control who enters hell or heaven.

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Reply #29 - Jul 22^nd, 2014 at 9:54am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 9:59pm:

wally1 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Wasnt the suppossed first suicide bomber from qld few months ago, so how can the original article claim that abu bakr al australi was the first suicide bomber?

The link in the op states he was the first to blow himself up in Iraq, the link also mentions the other who blew himself up in Syria.

Muslims kids..they blow up pretty fast..

Walid and Gandalf- Do you think these suicidal homicidal devout muslims will be rewarded by allah with houris and rivers of wine in paradise or will they burn in the hellfire for all eternity?

The first suicide bomber supposedly blew himself up in syria but there is no solid proof.

If anything i reckon the aussies are faking there deaths in iraq cause they no there not coming back aus and are just stalling the aussie authorities.

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