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Re: The first Australian suicide bomber
Reply #45 - Jul 28^th, 2014 at 10:16pm

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

I would like to thank Hot Breath for bringing yet another Muslim pro-suicide bombing article to our attention.

It is not. He is quoting a Lebanese shiite leader who endorses it - under the sub-title "Rulings of some Muslim scholars regarding suicide attacks"

The article sums up by stating...

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A suicide mission is therefore contrary to the norms of Islamic
jus in bello and has no place in Islamic legal thought. Such an act cannot be a norm of
battlefield behaviour in Islam, for the established rules of Islamic
jus in bello cannot be replaced by acts that are prohibited in war. The opinions of the ulama who endorse suicide attacks are their personal opinions; they are not binding on
others. Their opinions have repeatedly tarnished the image of Islam and have
given it a negative reputation. If they are accepted, then we shall have to revise the
original treatises of our great doctors of Islamic law.

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Re: The first Australian suicide bomber
Reply #46 - Jul 28^th, 2014 at 11:13pm

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

moses wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 7:37pm:

from the same source

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The leading figure among the Lebanese Shiite community, Sayyid
Muhammad Hussayn Fadlallah, gave them his endorsement. He stated, "Sometimes you may find some situations where you have to take risks. When reality requires a shock, delivered with violence, so you can call upon all those things buried within, and expand all the horizons around you – as, for example, in the self-martyrdom operations, which some called suicide operations".

We view this as religiously lawful warfare against the world’s imperialist and domineering powers.

For Fadlallah there is no difference between setting out for battle knowing you will die after killing ten of the enemy, and setting out to the field to kill ten and knowing you will die while killing them.

Without suicide bombers/martyrdom operations, ‘‘we wouldn’t have been able to win’’,

I've yet to see one muslim or their apologist prove beyond doubt that fundamentalist suicide bombers are not devoutly following the qur'an, allah, Muhammad and islam

I would like to thank Hot Breath for bringing yet another Muslim pro-suicide bombing article to our attention. Got any more HB?

I would like to thank FD for showing his endorsement for Moses' cherry picking of that article. He uses the pro argument which the author actually argues against. Tsk, tsk. I don't expect any better from Moses but you just keep on disappointing me, FD. Roll Eyes

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Lionel Edriess Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1932 Gender:	Re: The first Australian suicide bomber Reply #47 - Jul 28^th, 2014 at 11:43pm It's just another suicide bomber. Blown out of all proportion.
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Re: The first Australian suicide bomber
Reply #48 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 4:40am

Fundamentalist suicide muslims are convinced that they are obeying the tenets of islam, the commands of allah, the teachings of muhammad, the verses in the qur'an.

They would not commit suicide and deliberately condemn themselves to allah's hellfires, these muslims are absolutely certain they are next in line for a room full of big breasted hour'is and little boys with eyes like pearls.

They are morally / passively supported by all muslims & their bootlicking apologists, who totally refuse to denigrate and ridicule those tenets of islam, commands of allah, teachings of muhammad, verses in the qur'an, which they are devoutly following, in order to become the highest grade of muslim according to the cult's (islam) doctrine.

islam, the worlds largest cult of killers.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The first Australian suicide bomber Reply #49 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 10:07am moses wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 4:40am: They are morally / passively supported by all muslims & their bootlicking apologist Speak for yourself.
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Re: The first Australian suicide bomber
Reply #50 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 6:53pm

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The article sums up by stating...

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A suicide mission is therefore contrary to the norms of Islamic
jus in bello

Ah, now it all makes sense.

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I would like to thank FD for showing his endorsement for Moses' cherry picking of that article. He uses the pro argument which the author actually argues against.

Is the author a Muslim?

I am still waiting for an explanation of how suicide bombing violates Islam's rules on mutilating bodies. You seem to have slithered away from that particular argument rather quickly.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 10:07am:

moses wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 4:40am:

They are morally / passively supported by all muslims & their bootlicking apologist

Speak for yourself.

I think he was speaking for you there Gandalf. And Brian of course. You seem to have taken an ideological lurch lately towards both Brian and Abu, if that is possible.

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Reply #51 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 8:45pm

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

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[quote]I would like to thank FD for showing his endorsement for Moses' cherry picking of that article. He uses the pro argument which the author actually argues against.

Is the author a Muslim?

Is it important?

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I am still waiting for an explanation of how suicide bombing violates Islam's rules on mutilating bodies. You seem to have slithered away from that particular argument rather quickly.

I don't think you asked it of me, FD. Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: The first Australian suicide bomber Reply #52 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 9:18pm It's just another nail in the coffin Brian. The bit about mutilating bodies is what really triggers my bullshit detector.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42179	Re: The first Australian suicide bomber Reply #53 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 10:46pm freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 9:18pm: It's just another nail in the coffin Brian. The bit about mutilating bodies is what really triggers my bullshit detector. So, the "you" was not me, personally? So why address it to me?
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Re: The first Australian suicide bomber
Reply #54 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:02am

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

Is the author a Muslim?

Either that or a spineless apologist. But of course as you have made it clear to us, the important thing here is not to critique the author's arguments by actually reading them - and working out whether it is a "pro suicide bombing article" or the exact opposite - the really important thing here is to smear him as a muslim and/or a spineless apologist.

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:

I am still waiting for an explanation of how suicide bombing violates Islam's rules on mutilating bodies.

Would you like a graphic?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: The first Australian suicide bomber Reply #55 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 8:28am A simple explanation will do Gandalf. What is the rule on mutilating bodies? Brian, for future reference, when I use the word 'you' I don't necessarily mean you. Clear?
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: The first Australian suicide bomber Reply #56 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 10:28am freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 8:28am: A simple explanation will do Gandalf. What is the rule on mutilating bodies? Brian, for future reference, when I use the word 'you' I don't necessarily mean you. Clear? Don't you?
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Re: The first Australian suicide bomber
Reply #57 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 11:42am

|dev|null wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 3:11pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 3:47pm:

because they don't like the accusatory tone of the question?

So you are avoiding the question because allah will reward these suicidal-homicidal muslims?

How can Islamic terror be stopped when Allah rewards muslims for being suicidal-homicidal?

Does it? How can a mythical being reward anything?

You peddle only one side of the debate because it suits your purpose to portray the Islamist viewpoint as being that of mainstream Islam when in reality it isn't!

Tell your muslim friends allah is a mythical being and watch their reaction.. Cheesy

The 600 page Qadri fatwa was supposed to outlaw suicide attacks,why did Qadri need 600 pages for that? Cheesy

Of course apologists like you ignore reality.

islamfuture.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/the-islamic-ruling-on-the-permissibility-of...

https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ruling+on+martyrdom+operations

Suicide is haram,if you call it a martyrdom operation it becomes halal.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: The first Australian suicide bomber
Reply #58 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 2:00pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

Tell your muslim friends allah is a mythical being and watch their reaction.. Cheesy

I have and look, I'm still here. Why? Because not all Muslims are extremists. Something you seem unable to accept.

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The 600 page Qadri fatwa was supposed to outlaw suicide attacks,why did Qadri need 600 pages for that? Cheesy

'cause he wanted to make sure there was no wriggle room for the fanatics? It's essentially a theocratic document, he set out to prove to the small point that he was right and the lunatics were wrong.

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Of course apologists like you ignore reality.

Really? You seem to live in something different to what the rest of us call reality! Grin

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The first Australian suicide bomber Reply #59 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 2:05pm freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 8:28am: What is the rule on mutilating bodies? Its forbidden. Do you still need a "simple explanation" of the mutilating nature of suicide attacks?
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