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interesting take on Syria intervention
Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:13am
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/reelected-bashar-alassad-may-yet-have-the-last-laugh-on-syria/story-fnb64oi6-1229692715799

‘Re-elected’ Bashar al-Assad may yet have the last laugh on Syria

BASHAR al-assad was sworn in for another seven years as President of the Imaginary Republic of Syria on Wednesday night.

All around him the country is splintering, dying and on the run, and yet the Syrian leader, already in power for 14 years, was able to declare in his inaugural speech: “The Syrian people can give ­lessons in democracy.”

The British-trained eye-doctor is eyeless in Damascus. As he spoke, government troops killed and wounded reporters from the Turkish Anadolu Agency who were covering the use of barrel bombs against rebels and civilians.

Barrel bombs rolled out of helicopters into crowded markets and shells of nerve gas fired into city suburbs: these have become the distinguishing marks of the Assad regime. So far, close to 160,000 of his citizens have been killed.

Assad’s continuing swagger is down to two factors. First, the West, once committed to his overthrow, has come to accept that the President is not going anywhere.

Worse, he may even have to be part of a broad effort to defeat the Islamic State, the black-suited zealots who are laying claim to be the new global terror brand.

Second, nobody has come up with an opposition candidate strong enough to head off the violent collapse of the country.

The Assad family controls the security machine, the most ­effective parts of the army; its main arms supplier, Russia, is still keeping stocks high.

Iran sends a daily flight to ­Damascus, full of advisers, cash and medication for the elite.

Behind the walls of his Damascus palace, then, the President and his London-educated wife, Asma, have rarely felt so secure in the 40 months of this bloody insurgency. If nothing else, he can guarantee the security of his ruling Alawites.

He has reinforced his control over a strategic corridor running north from Damascus, he has taken back cities, including Homs, and his government forces are squeezing Aleppo.

“We might have to eat some hard crow,” says Ryan Crocker, a former US ambassador to Syria and Iraq. “As bad as the regime is, there is something worse: that is, the extreme elements of the ­opposition.”

And yet the country is collapsing beneath him. The economy has contracted 80 per cent.

There are no funds for reconstruction, no hope of significant foreign investment. President Assad’s election last month was won by 88.7 per cent of the vote — but voting did not take place in areas caught up in ­fighting.

The most trenchant measure of his failure is the huge humanitarian crisis that he has helped to create. Almost 11 million Syrians — half of the national population — are either living in refugee camps outside the country or have been displaced within Syria.

Many are in rebel-held areas and have been denied international aid. For them, Assad’s next seven years in office must seem like a biblical seven-year plague of pestilence and famine.

Britain and the US have unwittingly contributed to Mr Assad’s political longevity.

By blocking the supply of arms to moderate Syrian rebels, the West opened up an opportunity for the rapid expansion of the well-armed and well-trained Islamic State and al-Nusra Front forces.

The Free Syrian Army has been fighting on two fronts: against Islamic State and Assad troops.


Now Assad, encouraged by Iran, may turn on Islamic State.

Whatever happens will be part of a game cooked up in his palace with his Iranian and Russian advisers; its only real aim will be to prolong his dynastic rule.

His father, Hafez, died after three decades of iron-fisted rule. Bashar, still only 48, may be out to match that term.
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Re: interesting take on Syria intervention
Reply #1 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:06pm
 
lol - typical nonsense from the right. Basically they haven't learnt anything at all from the Libya experience.

freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 11:13am:
Britain and the US have unwittingly contributed to Mr Assad’s political longevity.

By blocking the supply of arms to moderate Syrian rebels, the West opened up an opportunity for the rapid expansion of the well-armed and well-trained Islamic State and al-Nusra Front forces.

The Free Syrian Army has been fighting on two fronts: against Islamic State and Assad troops.



Firstly, the US did send arms and supplies to the rebels for most of this conflict - until their little smuggling ring in Benghazi was busted by a terrorist attack (executed, ironically, by the beneficiaries of another US led regime-change operation). The problem was that most of the equipment ended up in the hands of the islamists.

Secondly, if you are going to advocate for a useful western intervention in Syria, you can't do it without putting pressure on both Saudi Arabia and Turkey to stop exporting and funding foreign jihadists in Syria.
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Re: interesting take on Syria intervention
Reply #2 - Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:32pm
 
So what would be a 'useful intervention'?
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Re: interesting take on Syria intervention
Reply #3 - Jul 20th, 2014 at 2:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 19th, 2014 at 12:32pm:
So what would be a 'useful intervention'?


A useful intervention would be against the Gulf monarchies - to stop them exporting wahabism and foreign terrorists around the region.
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Reply #4 - Jul 20th, 2014 at 6:49pm
 
You must have lost you thesaurus Gandalf. Can you explain what a useful intervention would be without using the word intervention?
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Reply #5 - Jul 20th, 2014 at 10:03pm
 
you've lost me FD.
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Reply #6 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 7:24pm
 
Let's start again, from the beginning.

So what would be a 'useful intervention'?

Try to avoid limiting you description of it to "intervention".
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Reply #7 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 7:58pm
 
Is there something cryptic about my opinion FD?

A useful intervention would be to sanction the Gulf kingdoms for exporting terrorists and wahabist ideology throughout the region.

I dare you to claim that is not clear enough.
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Reply #8 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 8:07pm
 
oh I think I'm starting to get it...

freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 7:20pm:
I'm still waiting on your explanation of a "useful intervention" in Syria, beyond describing it as an intervention that is not in Syria.


It seems FD doesn't understand that Saudi Arabia and her little bitch Qatar are intimately involved in the Syrian conflict, through their exporting terrorists into Syria. And therefore sanctions against this activity directly affects the Syrian conflict.

Therefore, allow me to re-articulate my intervention statement:

A useful intervention in Syria would be to sanction the Gulf kingdoms who are exporting terrorists to Syria

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Reply #9 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 7:08pm
 
How lucrative is this export industry for them? Would you oppose Australia exporting it's terrorists?
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Reply #10 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 9:21pm
 
I would oppose Australia sourcing, funding and exporting terrorists - yes.

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Reply #11 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 10:03pm
 
Where do you source them from? Overseas? Is this like a value added business?
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Reply #12 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 11:41pm
 
See what I mean Setanta?
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Reply #13 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 11:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 24th, 2014 at 10:03pm:
Where do you source them from? Overseas? Is this like a value added business?


Apparently I'm in the terrorist sourcing business now.

Well I am a muslim so...

...FD caught me red handed sifting through the receipts at the Malik Fahd school.
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Reply #14 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 12:26am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 20th, 2014 at 6:49pm:
You must have lost you thesaurus Gandalf. Can you explain what a useful intervention would be without using the word intervention?


Sometimes a question is just a question.
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