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Abbott Lies Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 216 Gender:	Re: interesting take on Syria intervention Reply #15 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 12:44am freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:32pm: So what would be a 'useful intervention'? Lachlan Murdoch having his father committed to an insane asylum, then setting about having his Australian newspapers and Foxnews work on being politically neutral.
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Re: interesting take on Syria intervention
Reply #16 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:31pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 11:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

Where do you source them from? Overseas? Is this like a value added business?

Apparently I'm in the terrorist sourcing business now.

Well I am a muslim so...

...FD caught me red handed sifting through the receipts at the Malik Fahd school.

So what exactly do you mean by "exporting terrorists" and "sourcing" terrorists?

Should the US put sanctions on Australia because we are exporting terrorists to Syria?

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Reply #17 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 1:34pm

Australia is not supporting and funding said "exported" terrorists - unlike Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Do you understand the difference?

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Saudi Arabia is said to be the world's largest source of funds for Salafi jihadist terrorist militant groups, such as al-Qaeda, the Afghan Taliban, the Pakistan Taliban, ISIS and Lashkar-e-Taiba in South Asia, and donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide, according to Hillary Clinton.[76] According to a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state, "Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups."

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In December 2012 the New York Times accused the Qatari regime of funding the Al-Nusra Front, a U.S. government designated terrorist organization.[64] The Financial Times noted Emir Hamad's visit to Gaza and meeting with Hamas, another internationally designated terrorist organization.[65] Spanish football club FC Barcelona were coming under increasing pressure to tear up their £125m shirt sponsorship contract with the Qatar Foundation after claims the so-called charitable trust finances terrorist group Hamas. The fresh controversy follows claims made by the Spanish newspaper El Mundo that the Qatar Foundation had given money to extremist cleric Yusuf al Qaradawi who is an advocate of terrorism, wife beating and anti-semitism.[66]

In January 2013 French politicians again accused the Qatari Government of giving material support to Islamist groups in Mali and the French newspaper Le Canard enchaîné quoted an unnamed source in French military intelligence saying that “The MNLA [secular Tuareg separatists], al Qaeda-linked Ansar Dine and Movement for Unity and Jihad in West Africa have all received cash from Doha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96144 Gender:	Re: interesting take on Syria intervention Reply #18 - Jul 26^th, 2014 at 2:23pm Yes, G, but Saudi Arabia and Qatar are demokracies. I don’t think your reply.will answer FD’s question.
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Re: interesting take on Syria intervention
Reply #19 - Jul 27^th, 2014 at 9:14am

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Australia is not supporting and funding said "exported" terrorists - unlike Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Ah, so it is not the exporting and importing of terrorists that you actually have a problem with? It is just a convenient cliche, like hippies complaining about Australia exporting coal or importing cars?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: interesting take on Syria intervention Reply #20 - Jul 27^th, 2014 at 2:36pm Whatever floats your boat FD - my point was pretty clear.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49205 At my desk.	Re: interesting take on Syria intervention Reply #21 - Jul 27^th, 2014 at 4:24pm Hardly. Getting it out of you was like pulling teeth. It took a page and a half to get you to go beyond "an intervention is an intervention"
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Re: interesting take on Syria intervention
Reply #22 - Jul 27^th, 2014 at 5:00pm

freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Hardly. Getting it out of you was like pulling teeth. It took a page and a half to get you to go beyond "an intervention is an intervention"

Gandalf apparently saying an intervention is an intervention...

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if you are going to advocate for a useful western intervention in Syria, you can't do it without putting pressure on both Saudi Arabia and Turkey to stop exporting and funding foreign jihadists in Syria

I'm sorry you are unable to comprehend simple English FD - but there's no need to drag the whole discussion down with you.

Do you have anything useful to say on this view of mine - or are you going to continue waxing lyrical about the finer points of the word "intervention"?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49205 At my desk.	Re: interesting take on Syria intervention Reply #23 - Jul 27^th, 2014 at 6:28pm Actually, Australia is also exporting and funding foreign Jihadists in Syria. By that I mean foreign to Syria of course. They are locals to us. Have you seen Abu lately, BTW? Would it be a "useful intervention" for the US "pressure" us? What is that a euphemism for, anyway?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: interesting take on Syria intervention Reply #24 - Jul 27^th, 2014 at 7:29pm Yes I'm sure its making a huge difference to the war too. Any thoughts on what, if any pressure the west should be applying to Saudi Arabia and Qatar and Turkey - who are largely responsible for the jihadist forces currently in Syria?
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Reply #25 - Jul 27^th, 2014 at 7:42pm

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Yes I'm sure its making a huge difference to the war too.

Every little bit count eh Gandalf? What price do you think Australia is getting from ISIS for all these terrorists we are exporting to them?

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Any thoughts on what, if any pressure the west should be applying to Saudi Arabia and Qatar and Turkey - who are largely responsible for the jihadist forces currently in Syria?

I doubt it. This is your story, after all. Perhaps some hand wringing? Muslims hate it when we do that.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: interesting take on Syria intervention Reply #26 - Jul 27^th, 2014 at 8:57pm Tell me FD, do you mock the idea that there is any foreign power meddling in Syria for their own geo-strategic interests - or just muslim countries?
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49205 At my desk.	Re: interesting take on Syria intervention Reply #27 - Jul 27^th, 2014 at 9:32pm A lot of truth is said in jest.
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