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Reply #30 - Jul 24^th, 2014 at 11:36pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 11:05pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 10:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 10:20pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

We are up to two pages now, so I think it is safe for question number two. Let me know if you have forgotten what we were talking about the first time I asked.

freediver wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 7:17pm:

Did they make this claim before Muhammed?

Sometimes a question is just a question.

And sometimes it's a picture, painted with variations between prejudice and righteousness, asked as a question.

FD wouldn’t do that, shurely.

He believes in Freeedom.

No, no , no. It's meeeedom. He has a speech, you know... thing.

I see. That must be why he asks so many questions.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49205 At my desk.	Re: prediction of muslims attitude Reply #32 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 1:29pm Gandalf gets jealous if I pay too much attention to the apologists rather than to him. Did Muhammed claim that he and his fellow Arabs were descended from this proverbial ass-man?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96144 Gender:	Re: prediction of muslims attitude Reply #33 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 4:46pm Answer the question, G. FD’s onto something here.
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Reply #34 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:05pm

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Gandalf gets jealous if I pay too much attention to the apologists rather than to him.

Did Muhammed claim that he and his fellow Arabs were descended from this proverbial ass-man?

He probably just accepted that they were, rather than "claim" anything.

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The book of Jubilees places the location and identity of the Ishmaelites as the Arab peoples residing in Arab territories. This is the current view for the majority of the Christian, Islamic and Jewish faiths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmael

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Historical records of the Ishmaelites[edit]
Assyrian and Babylonian Royal Inscriptions and North Arabian inscriptions from 9th to 6th century B.C, mention the king of Qedar as king of the Arabs and King of the Ishmaelites[4][5][6][7] . Of the names of the sons of Ishmael the names “Nabat, Kedar, Abdeel, Dumah, Massa, and Teman” were mentioned in the Assyrian Royal Inscriptions as tribes of the Ishmaelites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishmaelites

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Reply #35 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:38pm

I'm pretty sure there would have been Arabs in Arabia before ass-man of old testament fame left home. I am not asking you to trace their ancestry. I am asking about Muhammed's claims regarding the Arabs. I think most of Muhammed's attempts to rewrite history to give Islam orthodox credibility are transparent bullshit. However in this case it is the claim itself that is interesting.

Not sure why this is such a touchy subject, particularly for you setanta.

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Reply #36 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:02pm

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

I'm pretty sure there would have been Arabs in Arabia before ass-man of old testament fame left home. I am not asking you to trace their ancestry. I am asking about Muhammed's claims regarding the Arabs. I think most of Muhammed's attempts to rewrite history to give Islam orthodox credibility are transparent bullshit. However in this case it is the claim itself that is interesting.

Not sure why this is such a touchy subject, particularly for you setanta.

It's not touchy to me at all. Seeing crap posted is the problem. The Arabs were considered descended from Ishmael for at least 1000 years before Mohammed. Why does he have to "claim" anything, what has this got to do with Muslims being tainted because of Ishmael? Not all Muslims are Arab, not all Arabs are Muslim.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40763 Gender:	Re: prediction of muslims attitude Reply #37 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:19pm freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 1:29pm: Gandalf gets jealous if I pay too much attention to the apologists rather than to him. Did Muhammed claim that he and his fellow Arabs were descended from this proverbial ass-man? Yes they do. Ask them or google it.
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Reply #38 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:24pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Gandalf gets jealous if I pay too much attention to the apologists rather than to him.

Did Muhammed claim that he and his fellow Arabs were descended from this proverbial ass-man?

Yes they do.

Ask them or google it.

Are Christian Arabs tainted too? Tainted but forgiven? Namaste. Roll Eyes

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Reply #39 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 9:56pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Gandalf gets jealous if I pay too much attention to the apologists rather than to him.

Did Muhammed claim that he and his fellow Arabs were descended from this proverbial ass-man?

Yes they do.

Ask them or google it.

Do you know?

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Reply #40 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 10:00pm

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

I'm pretty sure there would have been Arabs in Arabia before ass-man of old testament fame left home. I am not asking you to trace their ancestry. I am asking about Muhammed's claims regarding the Arabs. I think most of Muhammed's attempts to rewrite history to give Islam orthodox credibility are transparent bullshit. However in this case it is the claim itself that is interesting.

Not sure why this is such a touchy subject, particularly for you setanta.

Good question, FD, although you seem to be giving more of an answer here than asking a question.

Is there something you want to know?

Please explain.

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Reply #41 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 10:03pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 9:56pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Gandalf gets jealous if I pay too much attention to the apologists rather than to him.

Did Muhammed claim that he and his fellow Arabs were descended from this proverbial ass-man?

Yes they do.

Ask them or google it.

Do you know?

yes. muslims I have spoken to boast of the link to Ishmael.

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Re: prediction of muslims attitude
Reply #43 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 10:08pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

I'm pretty sure there would have been Arabs in Arabia before ass-man of old testament fame left home. I am not asking you to trace their ancestry. I am asking about Muhammed's claims regarding the Arabs. I think most of Muhammed's attempts to rewrite history to give Islam orthodox credibility are transparent bullshit. However in this case it is the claim itself that is interesting.

Not sure why this is such a touchy subject, particularly for you setanta.

Good question, FD, although you seem to be giving more of an answer here than asking a question.

Is there something you want to know?

Please explain.

Oh, I see it now, Arabs are not descendants of the ass-man, Ishmael, Arabs were there before, long before, because the world is 4.3 billion years old not 6000. Arabs are therefore not tainted and the OP was pointless.

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Re: prediction of muslims attitude
Reply #44 - Jul 25^th, 2014 at 10:10pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2014 at 7:38pm:

I'm pretty sure there would have been Arabs in Arabia before ass-man of old testament fame left home. I am not asking you to trace their ancestry. I am asking about Muhammed's claims regarding the Arabs. I think most of Muhammed's attempts to rewrite history to give Islam orthodox credibility are transparent bullshit. However in this case it is the claim itself that is interesting.

Not sure why this is such a touchy subject, particularly for you setanta.

It's not touchy to me at all. Seeing crap posted is the problem. The Arabs were considered descended from Ishmael for at least 1000 years before Mohammed. Why does he have to "claim" anything, what has this got to do with Muslims being tainted because of Ishmael? Not all Muslims are Arab, not all Arabs are Muslim.

How about we start with what he did claim, before trying to justify it?

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