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Re: islam is not 'just another religion'
Reply #15 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 4:04pm
 
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Can you prove that Joseph Cony isn't following, implicitly and devoutly the Christian beliefs he learnt at mission school?


Yes I can very easily, by simply quoting the teachings straight out of Christ's mouth:

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

SO it seems very explicit that not everyone who calls on Christ will be accepted (7:21 & 22)

Then 7:23 clearly states that Christ rejects workers of iniquity

OVER TO YOU, PROVE THAT FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIMS ARE NOT PRACTICING ISLAM IN IT'S PUREST FORM, AS PER THE COMMANDS OF aLLAH, TEACHINGS OF mUHAMMAD, VERSES IN THE qUAR'AN
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Reply #16 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 4:17pm
 
Christian doctrine does not justify terrorism, and neither does islamic doctrine.

The vast majority of christians are non-violent, as are the vast majority of muslims.

By that measure, the peaceful message of both religious texts is strongly supported by the actions of the vast majority of adherents of both religions.

If it looks like a duck...
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #17 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 4:46pm
 
What a load of lies gandalf.

allah commands and muhammad taught the qur'an records: committing torture and murder as a way of life for the highest grade of muslim.

The most exalted muslim is to slay and be slain in the cause of allah

All those muslim homicidal maniacs, chanting allahua akbar, torturing and murdering their fellow man, can and do justify their actions by quoting islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an.
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Reply #18 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 4:59pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 4:04pm:
Hot Breath wrote:
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Can you prove that Joseph Cony isn't following, implicitly and devoutly the Christian beliefs he learnt at mission school?


Yes I can very easily, by simply quoting the teachings straight out of Christ's mouth:

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

SO it seems very explicit that not everyone who calls on Christ will be accepted (7:21 & 22)

Then 7:23 clearly states that Christ rejects workers of iniquity

OVER TO YOU, PROVE THAT FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIMS ARE NOT PRACTICING ISLAM IN IT'S PUREST FORM, AS PER THE COMMANDS OF aLLAH, TEACHINGS OF mUHAMMAD, VERSES IN THE qUAR'AN 



I don't have to.  You have to prove though that Joseph Kony isn't obeying the beliefs he was taught at missionary school.  As you have posted nothing about what he was taught, I assume you can't.

Of course you could blame it all on the Muslims.  Afterall, they must have been responsible for the perversions that Kony was taught at missionary school, right?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Re: islam is not 'just another religion'
Reply #19 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 5:59pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 4:46pm:
What a load of lies gandalf.

allah commands and muhammad taught the qur'an records: committing torture and murder as a way of life for the highest grade of muslim.


By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path.

quran: 5:16

And not equal are the good deed and the bad. Repel [evil] by that [deed] which is better; and thereupon the one whom between you and him is enmity [will become] as though he was a devoted friend

quran 41:34

From the Prophet:

Faith is a restraint against all violence, let no Mu’min commit violence

God is not merciful to him who is not so to mankind.

The best Jihad is his who speaks a just word before a tyrannical authority.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #20 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 7:16pm
 
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I don't have to.  You have to prove though that Joseph Kony isn't obeying the beliefs he was taught at missionary school.  As you have posted nothing about what he was taught, I assume you can't.

Of course you could blame it all on the Muslims.  Afterall, they must have been responsible for the perversions that Kony was taught at missionary school, right?


So you're unable to prove that muslim fundamentalists are not following to the letter, the commands, instructions, verses of islam which advocate they must lead a violent life of torture and murder?

Does this mean you're being dishonest?

In the matter of proof can you demonstrate what beliefs kony was taught at missionary school which cause him to be the person he is?

Can you show some proof of the missionary curriculum which kony is following, or are you being dishonest again?
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Reply #21 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 7:52pm
 
gandalf wrote: Quote:
quran: 5:16

And not equal are the good deed and the bad. Repel [evil] by that [deed] which is better; and thereupon the one whom between you and him is enmity [will become] as though he was a devoted friend


You make it sound like muhammad was doing nothing but benignly quoting messages of love and peace.

Well let's look at what he was doing


5 15. O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.

No love and peace here, he's telling the Jews and Christians, they have got it all wrong, they should have the qur'an

5 16. By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path.

Again the oppression, Jews and Christians have it wrong the qur'an is right

5 17 They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent.

More railing against Christians, they are wrong

5 18 But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the [final] destination.

Again reviling of Jews and Christians allah punishes them

5 19 O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger to make clear to you [the religion] after a period [of suspension] of messengers, lest you say, "There came not to us any bringer of good tidings or a warner." But there has come to you a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And Allah is over all things competent.

Again Jews and Christians are wrong muslims are right


5 20 And [mention, O Muhammad], when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds.

More lies Moses did not worship allah

5 21 O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers."

Now we get to the crux of it go and kill people in allah's cause.

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Re: islam is not 'just another religion'
Reply #22 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 8:29pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 7:16pm:
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I don't have to.  You have to prove though that Joseph Kony isn't obeying the beliefs he was taught at missionary school.  As you have posted nothing about what he was taught, I assume you can't.

Of course you could blame it all on the Muslims.  Afterall, they must have been responsible for the perversions that Kony was taught at missionary school, right?


So you're unable to prove that muslim fundamentalists are not following to the letter, the commands, instructions, verses of islam which advocate they must lead a violent life of torture and murder?


I don't have to.  You have to prove the reverse.  I'm more interested in why we can't use the same logic about whom represents which religion that you use for Muslims.  Again, you have to prove that Kony isn't following the dictates of what he was taught by the Missionaries.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Does this mean you're being dishonest?


No more than you are.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

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In the matter of proof can you demonstrate what beliefs kony was taught at missionary school which cause him to be the person he is?


Why, I assume beliefs in Christianity, what else would he have been taught at a Christian Missionary School?  Islam?  Buddhism?  Hinduism?  Jainism?  What?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Can you show some proof of the missionary curriculum which kony is following, or are you being dishonest again?


I can only go by what he claims is Christianity.

You're making several assumptions.

1. All religious believers are 100% knowledgeable about the beliefs of their religion;
2. All religious believers have been taught the doctrinally correct version of those beliefs;
3. All religious believers have understood what they have been taught;
4. All religious believers follow the doctrine of their particular religion to the letter.

You are a prime example of having failed all four.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Re: islam is not 'just another religion'
Reply #23 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 8:49pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 7:52pm:
gandalf wrote: Quote:
quran: 5:16

And not equal are the good deed and the bad. Repel [evil] by that [deed] which is better; and thereupon the one whom between you and him is enmity [will become] as though he was a devoted friend


You make it sound like muhammad was doing nothing but benignly quoting messages of love and peace.

Well let's look at what he was doing


5 15. O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.

No love and peace here, he's telling the Jews and Christians, they have got it all wrong, they should have the qur'an

5 16. By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path.

Again the oppression, Jews and Christians have it wrong the qur'an is right

5 17 They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent.

More railing against Christians, they are wrong

5 18 But the Jews and the Christians say, "We are the children of Allah and His beloved." Say, "Then why does He punish you for your sins?" Rather, you are human beings from among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills, and He punishes whom He wills. And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them, and to Him is the [final] destination.

Again reviling of Jews and Christians allah punishes them

5 19 O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger to make clear to you [the religion] after a period [of suspension] of messengers, lest you say, "There came not to us any bringer of good tidings or a warner." But there has come to you a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And Allah is over all things competent.

Again Jews and Christians are wrong muslims are right


5 20 And [mention, O Muhammad], when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds.

More lies Moses did not worship allah

5 21 O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers."

Now we get to the crux of it go and kill people in allah's cause.



Actually, you missed the crux of G’s quote.

That’s because it’s inscrutable. It doesn’t actually make sense. What exactly IS it about?

I’m curious.
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Reply #24 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 8:51pm
 
Is it about forgiveness?

I’m curious.
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Reply #25 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 8:57pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 5:59pm:
moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 4:46pm:
What a load of lies gandalf.

allah commands and muhammad taught the qur'an records: committing torture and murder as a way of life for the highest grade of muslim.


By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path.

quran: 5:16

And not equal are the good deed and the bad. Repel [evil] by that [deed] which is better; and thereupon the one whom between you and him is enmity [will become] as though he was a devoted friend

quran 41:34

From the Prophet:

Faith is a restraint against all violence, let no Mu’min commit violence

God is not merciful to him who is not so to mankind.

The best Jihad is his who speaks a just word before a tyrannical authority.


No, G, I think you’ve misinterpreted the Koran there.Y says the best jihad is the one where you blow up busloads of white kids, preferably Jews.

Please be honest about Islam and quote the bits about killing whitey.
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Reply #26 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 8:58pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 5:59pm:
moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 4:46pm:
What a load of lies gandalf.

allah commands and muhammad taught the qur'an records: committing torture and murder as a way of life for the highest grade of muslim.


By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darknesses into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path.

quran: 5:16

And not equal are the good deed and the bad. Repel [evil] by that [deed] which is better; and thereupon the one whom between you and him is enmity [will become] as though he was a devoted friend

quran 41:34

From the Prophet:

Faith is a restraint against all violence, let no Mu’min commit violence

God is not merciful to him who is not so to mankind.

The best Jihad is his who speaks a just word before a tyrannical authority.


No, G, I think you’ve misinterpreted the Koran there.Y says the best jihad is the one where you blow up busloads of white kids, preferably Jews.

Please be honest about Islam and quote the bits about killing whitey.

Let’s all keep an open mind, okay?
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Reply #27 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 9:18pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 7:52pm:
You make it sound like muhammad was doing nothing but benignly quoting messages of love and peace.


Your not making any sort of coherent argument. Faced with clear and undeniable commands for muslims to act peacefully, you counter with quotes about God punishing the wicked. Well whoopdidoo - the bible also is full of quotes about God punishing the wicked, it must be promoting violence and intolerance right?

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Reply #28 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:41pm
 
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5;15 to 5;20 are verses which revile the Christians and Jews as being wrong in their beliefs and should accept islam and the qur'an as the right way.

5 ; 21 then gets to muhammads real intentions and beliefs:

5;21 O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers."

Enter the Holy Lands to slay and be slain in allah's cause.

Nothing loving and peaceful in that at all,
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Reply #29 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 8:49pm
 
I see that Hot Breath is running away.

He cannot prove that muslim fundamentalists are not devoutly following islam, allah, muhammad and the qur'an to the very letter.

He has absolutely no idea what kony was actually taught, or what kony bases his actions on.

You're a fraud Hot Breath, you can produce no facts, just biased untruths, as you apologize for muslim atrocities.
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