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When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets...
Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 9:28am

QUESTION;
When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets against civilians in Israeli cities and towns ?

ANSWER;
Hamas in Gaza will stop launching rockets against civilians in Israeli cities and towns - the moment when Israel - a non-ISLAMIC entity - ceases to exist [they wish!!!!].

THE PRIMARY OBSTACLE TO PEACE BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS, IS THAT;

It is religiously 'unlawful' for the Hamas authority of Gaza - to be at peace - with Israel.

There is a religious obligation for the Hamas authority of Gaza, to seek to destroy Israel;
BECAUSE - 'Hamas' is an ISLAMIC entity,
AND - Israel is a sovereign, non-moslem entity, which is occupying 'moslem land', in a moslem majority region.

Think of it this way;
To the reasoning of the moslem, the problem that confronts the moslem is very simple;
1/ Israel is a sovereign, non-moslem entity, which is occupying 'moslem land', in a moslem majority region.
AND,
2/ 'Hamas' is an ISLAMIC entity which is 'lawfully' conducting 'Jihad operations' against that infidel entity.

Koran 9.123

Google;
jihad - is the pinnacle of islam

IMAGE.....

"Abdullah my brother, the Jews have take our land, and we are a homeless people.
WAIL! WAIL! WAIL!

Those dastardly Zionists!!

We want our land back."

/sarc offi

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Google;
Hamas charter, calls for the genocide of all Jews

The Israel/Palestinian conflict.....

It is not about land [for a Palestinian 'homeland']....

The Israel/Palestinian conflict - is about ISLAM and about 'pre-set' ISLAMIC religious doctrines. Koran 9.29

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THE COVENANT OF THE HAMAS - MAIN POINTS
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On the Destruction of Israel:

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'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will

obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)

The Exclusive Moslem Nature of the Area:

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'The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession]

consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one

can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.'

(Article 11)

'Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the

Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem

wherever he may be.' (Article 13)....

http://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

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The 'Palestinians' are not fighting for a 'homeland'.

The 'Palestinians' are fighting to destroy Israel.

The 'Palestinians' are fighting against the Jewish people, because the Jewish people [LIVING in the ancient homeland of the Jewish people - Israel], are not moslems.

Period.

The Israel/Palestinian conflict, is another moslem conflict with 'local' infidels.

As per the directives of Allah;

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter?...."
Koran 9.38,39

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Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets...
Reply #1 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 11:03am

As I said before, Hamas is a symptom of the Israeli oppression. It is inevitable that in any occupation scenario unsavoury elements will emerge, and Palestine is no exception. And indeed, the role played by the Israelis in fostering the growth of Hamas is well documented. Thus another common feature of occupation forces: promote one faction in order to sow discord within the occupied's society - divide and conquer.

Illan Pappe (Israeli historian):
Israel’s incremental genocide in the Gaza ghetto

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The Zionist strategy of branding its brutal policies as an ad hoc response to this or that Palestinian action is as old as the Zionist presence in Palestine itself. It was used repeatedly as a justification for implementing the Zionist vision of a future Palestine that has in it very few, if any, native Palestinians.

The means for achieving this goal changed with the years, but the formula has remained the same: whatever the Zionist vision of a Jewish State might be, it can only materialize without any significant number of Palestinians in it. And nowadays the vision is of an Israel stretching over almost the whole of historic Palestine where millions of Palestinians still live.

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The geopolitical location of the West Bank creates the impression in Israel, at least, that it is possible to achieve this without anticipating a third uprising or too much international condemnation.

The Gaza Strip, due to its unique geopolitical location, did not lend itself that easily to such a strategy. Ever since 1994, and even more so when Ariel Sharon came to power as prime minister in the early 2000s, the strategy there was to ghettoize Gaza and somehow hope that the people there — 1.8 million as of today — would be dropped into eternal oblivion.

But the Ghetto proved to be rebellious and unwilling to live under conditions of strangulation, isolation, starvation and economic collapse. So resending it to oblivion necessitates the continuation of genocidal policies.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets...
Reply #2 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 11:54am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 11:03am:

As I said before, Hamas is a symptom of the Israeli oppression. It is inevitable that in any occupation scenario unsavoury elements will emerge, and Palestine is no exception. And indeed, the role played by the Israelis in fostering the growth of Hamas is well documented. Thus another common feature of occupation forces: promote one faction in order to sow discord within the occupied's society - divide and conquer.

Hamas is a symptom of Muslim/Arab entitlement, caused by idiot do gooders and the 'socially conscious' middle class Westerners.

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets... Reply #3 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 11:59am entitlement you say? Is that the entitlement to live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres?
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18724 Gender:	Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets... Reply #4 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:10pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 11:59am: entitlement you say? Is that the entitlement to live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres? Do Israelis have the right to live without thousand of rockets being fired at them by their neighbors?
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Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets...
Reply #5 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 11:59am:

entitlement you say? Is that the entitlement to live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres?

The entitlement to want what they rejected 70 years ago. And the entitlement that they are not responsible for their own actions.

As has been quoted many times on these boards, "If Hamas put down their weapons, there would be peace. If Israel put down their weapons, there would be no more Israel". The Palestinians have been offered the chance to 'live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres' many times over the years (the last time was 2005, when Israel removed all it's settlers and military/police from Gaza) and every time, the attacks across the border have forced Israel to respond.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets...
Reply #7 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:26pm

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Israeli Apartheid Land Stealing Concentration Camps

http://www.deliberation.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/palestinian_land_loss_ma...

Well the first two maps are during the British Mandate, and the third is from after the 1948 attack and invasion by the Arab Armies.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets...
Reply #8 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:26pm

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Israeli Apartheid Land Stealing Concentration Camps

http://www.deliberation.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/palestinian_land_loss_ma...

That map is propaganda, why is Gaza listed as palestinian land when Egypt controlled it,why is West bank listed as palestinian when Jordan controlled it?
All that map shows is idiots like you are ignorant of the geography of the area.

Gaza has a border with Egypt,how can it be a Israeli concentration camp?

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Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets...
Reply #9 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:33pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:10pm:

The Palestinians have been offered the chance to 'live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres' many times over the years (the last time was 2005, when Israel removed all it's settlers and military/police from Gaza) and every time, the attacks across the border have forced Israel to respond.

Israel then conspired to overthrow Hamas as the democratically elected rulers of Palestine - before setting up the crippling and entirely indiscriminate siege on gaza. Hamas responded with rockets, Israel then responded with periodic massacres - first in 2008-9, then in 2012 then in 2014. All stemming from the crippling and unjustified siege - because Israel didn't want to accept the will of the Palestinian people.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets...
Reply #10 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:10pm:

The Palestinians have been offered the chance to 'live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres' many times over the years (the last time was 2005, when Israel removed all it's settlers and military/police from Gaza) and every time, the attacks across the border have forced Israel to respond.

Israel then conspired to overthrow Hamas as the democratically elected rulers of Palestine - before setting up the crippling and entirely indiscriminate siege on gaza. Hamas responded with rockets, Israel then responded with periodic massacres - first in 2008-9, then in 2012 then in 2014. All stemming from the crippling and unjustified siege - because Israel didn't want to accept the will of the Palestinian people.

Gaza has a border with Egypt, how can Israel blockade Gaza when another country shares a border with Gaza?

Are you saying 6 million jews in Israel control the whole world...lmao

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Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets...
Reply #11 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:51pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:33pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 12:10pm:

The Palestinians have been offered the chance to 'live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres' many times over the years (the last time was 2005, when Israel removed all it's settlers and military/police from Gaza) and every time, the attacks across the border have forced Israel to respond.

Israel then conspired to overthrow Hamas as the democratically elected rulers of Palestine - before setting up the crippling and entirely indiscriminate siege on gaza. Hamas responded with rockets, Israel then responded with periodic massacres - first in 2008-9, then in 2012 then in 2014. All stemming from the crippling and unjustified siege - because Israel didn't want to accept the will of the Palestinian people.

And isn't it such as shame that Hamas were NOT the 'democratically (cough,cough) leaders' of Gaza in 2005.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets...
Reply #13 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 3:26pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 11:59am:

entitlement you say? Is that the entitlement to live freely and viably without being subject to periodic massacres?

Periodic massacres you say? I don't recall any massacres/invasions/killings, not since the Stern gang days, that haven't been precipitated by Arab terrorism - first the PLO, then Hamas. As far as I can judge from here, Israel has gone out of its way to show restraint, but there is a limit.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets... Reply #14 - Jul 23^rd, 2014 at 3:34pm err 500+ civilian non-combatants are dead, and you don't call it a massacre? Would you prefer the word genocide?
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