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Re: When will Hamas in Gaza stop launching rockets...
Reply #15 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:38pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 12:38pm:
Gaza has a border with Egypt, how can Israel blockade Gaza when another country shares a border with Gaza?


Fine, Israel set up a crippling and indiscriminate siege of gaza - with Egyptian complicity. Is that better?
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Reply #16 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:47pm
 
You have deliberately, I'd say, ignored my conditional statement: " that haven't been precipitated by Arab terrorism - first the PLO, then Hamas."
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Reply #17 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:53pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:34pm:
err 500+ civilian non-combatants are dead, and you don't call it a massacre?

Would you prefer the word genocide?


The funny thing about militia....take the gun from their hand, and hey presto, a civilian....
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Reply #18 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 4:11pm
 
bogarde73 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:47pm:
You have deliberately, I'd say, ignored my conditional statement: " that haven't been precipitated by Arab terrorism - first the PLO, then Hamas."


Yes, the PLO/fatah have been well rewarded for their restraint - by Israel ramping up the settlement expansions.

And of course you are right - it was totally unreasonable that Hamas would respond to a crippling and indiscriminate siege by attacking Israel by the only means at their disposal. Gazans should just roll over and let Israel continue denying them a viable existence.  Tongue
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Reply #19 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 4:17pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:53pm:
The funny thing about militia....take the gun from their hand, and hey presto, a civilian....


The death toll is currently over 600. Israel claims to have killed only 183 militants.

Israel by their own admission have mostly killed civilians.
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Reply #20 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 4:29pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 12:38pm:
Gaza has a border with Egypt, how can Israel blockade Gaza when another country shares a border with Gaza?

Are you saying 6 million jews in Israel control the whole world...lmao



They don't need to control the whole world. Just US foreign policy - which they do by funding the campaigns of nearly every elected official in US federal politics.

Then just make sure that the Egyptian military dictatorship continues to get its $1billion per year to do Israel's bidding.


US unlocks military aid to Egypt, backing President Sisi


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-27961933
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Reply #21 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 10:12pm
 
When Hell freezes over.
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Reply #22 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 10:28pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:53pm:
The funny thing about militia....take the gun from their hand, and hey presto, a civilian....


The death toll is currently over 600. Israel claims to have killed only 183 militants.

Israel by their own admission have mostly killed civilians.



I blame Hamas.  These are like suicides by police - "suicides by Israel", orchestrated by Hamas.


Why is Hamas rocketing Israel?  What is the objective?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 4:11pm:
Yes, the PLO/fatah have been well rewarded for their restraint - by Israel ramping up the settlement expansions.

And of course you are right - it was totally unreasonable that Hamas would respond to a crippling and indiscriminate siege by attacking Israel by the only means at their disposal.


There are no Jews or Jewish settlements in Gaza.  The blockade is due to earlier unprovoked rocket attacks.

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Reply #23 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 10:29pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 4:17pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 3:53pm:
The funny thing about militia....take the gun from their hand, and hey presto, a civilian....


The death toll is currently over 600. Israel claims to have killed only 183 militants.

Israel by their own admission have mostly killed civilians.


the muslims voted in terrorists.
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Reply #24 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 10:35pm
 
To stir up a war between Israeli and Arab - Hamas has no respect or consideration for Palestinians any more than Syria, Lebanon or Egypt has.  They are pariahs and just pawns for some stupid endless war against another Semitic group.  Hamas is hoping to incite a total Arab war against Israel and the more Palestinian families slaughtered the better as far as they are concerned, as long as it incites Arabs and Muslims to attack Israel.

The only Arabhole who ever gave the Palestinians more than a moment's thought as human beings was Saddam Hussein - and you know what that got him.

Israel is playing into their hands by attacking civilians, and has yet to learn that fear and violence never prevail ultimately.

Mind you - moderate Israelis have been assassinated in the past.
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Reply #25 - Jul 23rd, 2014 at 11:18pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 10:35pm:
Hamas is hoping to incite a total Arab war against Israel



The Arabs are busy killing each other.



The Jews know just how lucky they are to have the Arabs for enemies.

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Reply #26 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 12:18am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 10:28pm:
There are no Jews or Jewish settlements in Gaza.


Thats right - but an unsubdued gaza threatens the great settlement project in the WB. It reminds the world that there are 1 and half million people literally locked up in an area the size of Adelaide, unable to create a viable existence for themselves, and entirely reliant on what goods Isreal and Egypt allow to enter and exit the place. Israel would much prefer they shut up and languish in silence - but the more acts of resistance there are, the more the world is reminded that we have here a real-life WWII style ghetto.

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Reply #27 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 2:22am
 
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

Hamas is a Creation of Mossad

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by Hassane Zerouky

Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation

Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".




Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Rashit (October 1987), "The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority" in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. "They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad."

The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an "Islamic University" in Gaza. "The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza." At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks) , the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.

In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (‘uprising’) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): "God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution", proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.

Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.

The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.

Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison ("on humanitarian grounds") where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords. Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997.

Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war, (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries. The the budget of The Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories.

The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.
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Reply #28 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 2:27am
 
Dear master Light,

so true

and so it is

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Reply #29 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 7:59am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 24th, 2014 at 12:18am:
Soren wrote on Jul 23rd, 2014 at 10:28pm:
There are no Jews or Jewish settlements in Gaza.


Thats right - but an unsubdued gaza threatens the great settlement project in the WB. It reminds the world that there are 1 and half million people literally locked up in an area the size of Adelaide, unable to create a viable existence for themselves, and entirely reliant on what goods Isreal and Egypt allow to enter and exit the place. Israel would much prefer they shut up and languish in silence - but the more acts of resistance there are, the more the world is reminded that we have here a real-life WWII style ghetto.



There was no blockade between Israel pulling out and Hamas being elected and ... er... starting to fire rockets and reneging on all previous agreements.

Causation, not correlation, innit.
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