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Reply #30 - Jul 28^th, 2014 at 7:48pm

A muslim is forbidden from questioning or applying critical thought to the tenets which command inhumane torture and slaughter of their fellow man as the way for muslims.

qur'an 5.101: O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, allah will forgive those: for allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.

qur'an 5.102 : Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.

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Reply #31 - Jul 28^th, 2014 at 7:54pm

Shakey wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 6:22pm:

What's with muslims gathering crowds in the middle of a street somewhere? In Sydney over the last few weeks they've demonstrated twice in the inner city over Palestine, once at Lakemba over Palestine and a Ramadan street party at Lakemba today. How do they keep getting away with clogging up traffic?? They are an absolute pain in the ass.

I know. It’s an affront to common decency to see these people clogging up the traffic.

Why can’t they join the IDF and shoot Palestinians?

To suggest anything else is vaccilating, limp-wristed, hand-wringing - and traffic-clogging - spineless apologetics.

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Reply #32 - Jul 28^th, 2014 at 8:07pm

moses wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

A muslim is forbidden from questioning or applying critical thought to the tenets which command inhumane torture and slaughter of their fellow man as the way for muslims.

qur'an 5.101: O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, allah will forgive those: for allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.

Gee, you make Allah sound much nicer than Y’s Yehova, M. I do hope you’re not trying to recruit Moslems here.

These people clog the traffic.

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Reply #33 - Jul 28^th, 2014 at 10:31pm

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

Have you figured out yet why I labelled Brian's comments spineless apologetics?

Sure - because you disagree with it.

I must say I'm finding it more and more difficult to take you seriously on this - you create an entire meme about spineless Brian for not wanting to blame islam, but somehow think your own position of not wanting to blame islam isn't spineless.

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

I now think there are specific aspects of Islam that definitely do contribute to the violence and oppression we see in the modern world that we should point the finger of blame at.

Gosh FD - its almost like you are trying to water it down. Lets not be dishonest here - you don't believe it comes down to "specific aspects", you blame *ALL* the fundamental aspects of islam, and you have turned blaming every single misdemeanor of muslims - from killing prisoners of war, to committing taqiyya to child brides - on nothing but following the Prophet's example, into an art form.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #34 - Jul 28^th, 2014 at 10:47pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Crucified? Good heavens, Lionel, you’re right. I never thought of it like that.

I apologize. I make no excuses for FD’s views. I merely recognize it is his right to create and unfortunately impose these views. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticize them. I am neither a member of FD’s religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Please forgive me.

Sorry!

You're beginning to sound so much like Brian Ross.

All is forgiven.

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Toughen up, Australia!

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Reply #35 - Jul 28^th, 2014 at 11:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

Have you figured out yet why I labelled Brian's comments spineless apologetics?

Sure - because you disagree with it.

G! We won’t have that sort of talk here, we simply won’t.

Sometimes a question is just a question. We must never try to stifle another member’s curiousity and thirst for knowledge. If FD wants to keep an open mind on these matters I, for one, think he should be supported in his search for truth.

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Reply #36 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 4:57am

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Gee, you make allah sound much nicer than Y’s Yehova, M. I do hope you’re not trying to recruit Moslems here.

These people clog the traffic.

The traffic on the highway to allah's big brothel in the sky would be getting clogged by now, all them dead muslims in the middle east (killed by their fellow muslims, killed by the Joos) spare a thought for the zillions of big breasted hour'is and little boys with eyes like pearls, having to get to the brothel in the sky first, so the hour'is can lay back on their couches all decked out in precious stones, little boys with wondrous eyes can hang about with the highest grade of muslim who has slain and been slain, in order to grace them with his divine presence.

Ah yes the worlds largest cult of killers (islam) has a lot going for it.

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Reply #37 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 8:43am

moses wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 4:57am:

Karnal wrote: Quote:

Gee, you make allah sound much nicer than Y’s Yehova, M. I do hope you’re not trying to recruit Moslems here.

These people clog the traffic.

The traffic on the highway to allah's big brothel in the sky would be getting clogged by now, all them dead muslims in the middle east (killed by their fellow muslims, killed by the Joos) spare a thought for the zillions of big breasted hour'is and little boys with eyes like pearls, having to get to the brothel in the sky first, so the hour'is can lay back on their couches all decked out in precious stones, little boys with wondrous eyes can hang about with the highest grade of muslim who has slain and been slain, in order to grace them with his divine presence.

Ah yes the worlds largest cult of killers (islam) has a lot going for it.

That’s better. Don’t forget: we decide who gets into paradise, and the circumstances in which they come.

We outsource the job to Gud.

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Reply #38 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 9:11am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

Have you figured out yet why I labelled Brian's comments spineless apologetics?

Sure - because you disagree with it.

I must say I'm finding it more and more difficult to take you seriously on this - you create an entire meme about spineless Brian for not wanting to blame islam, but somehow think your own position of not wanting to blame islam isn't spineless.

gandalf,

And perhaps, in making that comment [in 2007], FD after seeking out further information relating to the nature and character of ISLAM, FD decided to present another - altogether different - series of 'comments' about the 'influence' of ISLAM in this world.

Perhaps FD, believes [now]

that most of the views that he held, about ISLAM - back in 2007 - were largely uninformed views ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Does ISLAM - as a philosophy - produce 'aggrieved' Reply #39 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 10:06am Yadda wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 9:11am: Perhaps FD, believes [now] that most of the views that he held, about ISLAM - back in 2007 - were largely uninformed views Indeed. But definitely not spineless.
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Reply #40 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 11:37am

Yadda wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 9:11am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 10:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 6:41pm:

Have you figured out yet why I labelled Brian's comments spineless apologetics?

Sure - because you disagree with it.

I must say I'm finding it more and more difficult to take you seriously on this - you create an entire meme about spineless Brian for not wanting to blame islam, but somehow think your own position of not wanting to blame islam isn't spineless.

gandalf,

And perhaps, in making that comment [in 2007], FD after seeking out further information relating to the nature and character of ISLAM, FD decided to present another - altogether different - series of 'comments' about the 'influence' of ISLAM in this world.

Perhaps FD, believes [now]

that most of the views that he held, about ISLAM - back in 2007 - were largely uninformed views ?

???

True, Y, but the 2007 FD used the word never: we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions.

Ever.

FD has come around on the never-ever of complexity. Your Karmic Khristian prophet, of course, forbids this.

Shades of grey are against your religion, no?

Always, absolutely, never-ever. It’s good to see FD keeping an open mind on this issue.

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Reply #41 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 6:49pm

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Sure - because you disagree with it.

I doubt you'll find anyone here who agrees with it. I disagree with plenty of other things posted here without labeling them spineless. Try again.

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I must say I'm finding it more and more difficult to take you seriously on this - you create an entire meme about spineless Brian for not wanting to blame islam, but somehow think your own position of not wanting to blame islam isn't spineless.

So I was right that you have no clue at all why I labelled Brian's words spineless, despite me explaining it to you over and over again, and you in fact agreeing with me on them in the past. The only reason it has turned into a "meme" is because people like you kept the thread going by pretending you cannot comprehend why I label it spineless.

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Gosh FD - its almost like you are trying to water it down. Lets not be dishonest here - you don't believe it comes down to "specific aspects"

Yes I do. They are listed in the wiki. I can go through them one at a time if you'd like.

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you blame *ALL* the fundamental aspects of islam

As far as I can tell what Muslims consider to be the fundamental aspects of Islam are not on the list - eg all the chanting and bending over. There is nothing particularly sinister abut that. It is largely restricted to the political aspects of Islam.

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and you have turned blaming every single misdemeanor of muslims - from killing prisoners of war, to committing taqiyya to child brides - on nothing but following the Prophet's example, into an art form

It's surprising how many of the stereotypical horrors that modern Muslims inflict on each other and others have strong parallels in the examples set by Muhammed himself. Instead of blaming it on some one-man conspiracy, perhaps you should consider each individual claim on its merits.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96227 Gender:	Re: Does ISLAM - as a philosophy - produce 'aggrieved' Reply #42 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 8:25pm freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 6:49pm: Quote: Sure - because you disagree with it. I doubt you'll find anyone here who agrees with it.. Except for the 2007 FD. Was he spineless, 2014 FD? I’m curious.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: Does ISLAM - as a philosophy - produce 'aggrieved' Reply #43 - Jul 29^th, 2014 at 9:16pm Nothing I have posted here is even remotely similar to Brian's spineless apologetics.
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Reply #44 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:20am

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 6:49pm:

I doubt you'll find anyone here who agrees with it. I disagree with plenty of other things posted here without labeling them spineless. Try again.

well ok. that was the short answer - the long answer is something along the lines of: because you disagree with it *AND* its about muslims *AND* its politically incorrect *AND* its an affront to your cultural imperialist ideology.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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