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Reply #45 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 8:17am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:20am:

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 6:49pm:

I doubt you'll find anyone here who agrees with it. I disagree with plenty of other things posted here without labeling them spineless. Try again.

well ok. that was the short answer - the long answer is something along the lines of: because you disagree with it *AND* its about muslims *AND* its politically incorrect *AND* its an affront to your cultural imperialist ideology.

Politically incorrect? Brian? You apologise right now Gandalf!

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Re: Does ISLAM - as a philosophy - produce 'aggrieved'
Reply #47 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 4:55pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

You apologise right now Gandalf!

Well yes, that would be the spineless thing to do Tongue

FD has never apologised for his 2007 posts, G. Given they contain the most heinous examples of spinelessness ever uttered on this board, FD must take much pride in them.

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Reply #48 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 6:49pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:20am:

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 6:49pm:

I doubt you'll find anyone here who agrees with it. I disagree with plenty of other things posted here without labeling them spineless. Try again.

well ok. that was the short answer - the long answer is something along the lines of: because you disagree with it *AND* its about muslims *AND* its politically incorrect *AND* its an affront to your cultural imperialist ideology.

Politically incorrect? Brian? You apologise right now Gandalf!

Brian is frequently politically incorrect. Have you read his views on defence issues? Disgusting and very right-wing! Grin

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49280 At my desk.	Re: Does ISLAM - as a philosophy - produce 'aggrieved' Reply #49 - Jul 30^th, 2014 at 7:00pm So how does this work? He was so politically correct that he popped out the other side into politically incorrect?
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Does ISLAM - as a philosophy - produce 'aggrieved' Reply #50 - Jul 31^st, 2014 at 10:37am freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 7:00pm: So how does this work? He was so politically correct that he popped out the other side into politically incorrect? Yes, he passed through the eye of the needle...
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49280 At my desk.	Re: Does ISLAM - as a philosophy - produce 'aggrieved' Reply #51 - Jul 31^st, 2014 at 6:43pm I am still waiting on that grovelling apology from Gandalf. So is Brian. Just because you are losing an argument doesn't mean you can resort to insulting him. You have no right, seeing as he is not a Muslim. You are not even capable of it.
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Reply #52 - Jul 31^st, 2014 at 8:01pm

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2014 at 6:43pm:

I am still waiting on that grovelling apology from Gandalf. So is Brian. Just because you are losing an argument doesn't mean you can resort to insulting him. You have no right, seeing as he is not a Muslim. You are not even capable of it.

True, FD, but you’re still waiting for that grovelling apology from Abu too, no?

Abu, Falah, the other one - would it help if I apologized on their behalf?

Allow me to apologize for any offence caused by all those hideous Muselmen. No one has the right to not be offended, but Islam is offensive to all.

Islam, the tinted races, multiculturalism, spineless apologetics - all hurtful to every decent person, and all deeply offensive.

On behalf of them all, FD, I apologize.

I’m not in a position to offer financial compensation, but I do hope this goes some way to healing your pain.

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Reply #53 - Jul 31^st, 2014 at 8:12pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:20am:

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 6:49pm:

I doubt you'll find anyone here who agrees with it. I disagree with plenty of other things posted here without labeling them spineless. Try again.

well ok. that was the short answer - the long answer is something along the lines of: because you disagree with it *AND* its about muslims *AND* its politically incorrect *AND* its an affront to your cultural imperialist ideology.

Politically incorrect? Brian? You apologise right now Gandalf!

Why? He hasn't insulted me. The only people who seem to be inflicting their political views on us are you and your ilk, FD. All I've ever suggested is that people should be given a fair go. You OTOH want to prejudge them on the basis of what other people sharing the same religious name with them may have done. In otherwords, Guilt by Association. What ever happened to Freedom of Association in your world, FD? Roll Eyes

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Reply #54 - Jul 31^st, 2014 at 8:13pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 6:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 30^th, 2014 at 1:20am:

freediver wrote on Jul 29^th, 2014 at 6:49pm:

I doubt you'll find anyone here who agrees with it. I disagree with plenty of other things posted here without labeling them spineless. Try again.

well ok. that was the short answer - the long answer is something along the lines of: because you disagree with it *AND* its about muslims *AND* its politically incorrect *AND* its an affront to your cultural imperialist ideology.

Politically incorrect? Brian? You apologise right now Gandalf!

Brian is frequently politically incorrect. Have you read his views on defence issues? Disgusting and very right-wing! Grin

Only if you inhabit the far-left... Roll Eyes

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Reply #55 - Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:44am

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Why? He hasn't insulted me.

Exactly. Gandalf, you are lucky Brian is not overseas, or he may not even realise you are talking about him.

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The only people who seem to be inflicting their political views on us are you and your ilk, FD.

How so?

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All I've ever suggested is that people should be given a fair go.

At killing anyone who disagrees with them?

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You OTOH want to prejudge them on the basis of what other people sharing the same religious name with them may have done. In otherwords, Guilt by Association. What ever happened to Freedom of Association in your world, FD?

They are free to associate with Muslims if they like, and I judge them by their words and deeds, just like I judge you by your words.

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Re: Does ISLAM - as a philosophy - produce 'aggrieved'
Reply #56 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 12:20am

freediver wrote on Aug 1^st, 2014 at 8:44am:

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Why? He hasn't insulted me.

Exactly. Gandalf, you are lucky Brian is not overseas, or he may not even realise you are talking about him.

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The only people who seem to be inflicting their political views on us are you and your ilk, FD.

How so?

You insist that your views on Muslims and Islam are the only acceptable ones. Roll Eyes

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All I've ever suggested is that people should be given a fair go.

At killing anyone who disagrees with them?

You really are working on your thatching skills, FD. Roll Eyes

Perhaps you'd like to provide a reference to where I have suggested that?

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You OTOH want to prejudge them on the basis of what other people sharing the same religious name with them may have done. In otherwords, Guilt by Association. What ever happened to Freedom of Association in your world, FD?

They are free to associate with Muslims if they like, and I judge them by their words and deeds.

No, you don't. You continually show the reverse, FD. Roll Eyes

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Re: Does ISLAM - as a philosophy - produce 'aggrieved'
Reply #57 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 9:44am

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You insist that your views on Muslims and Islam are the only acceptable ones.

I wouldn't post my views if I didn't think I was right Brian. I'm really not sure what you are whining about here. Are you jealous of the Muslims' victimhood (of criticism) and desperate to claim some kind of victimhood (of being disagreed with) for yourself?

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Perhaps you'd like to provide a reference to where I have suggested that?

No problem Brian. What is thatching BTW? Did you make that word up?

freediver wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 6:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

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Is this the Islam you are so keen to defend with your "fair deal" nonsense, what about those who no longer believe in that bullshit barfed up by a 7th century desert bandit do they deserve a fair deal like article 18 of the Universal declaration of human rights?
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7 nations where atheism is punishable by death.
All 7 establish Islam as the state religion.
Pakistan,Saudi Arabia,Iran,Afghanistan,Sudan,Mauritania and the Maldives
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/10/the-seven-countries-where-...

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

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No, you don't. You continually show the reverse, FD.

Ah, so I don't judge people? Is that what has you so upset now? You are a hard man to please Brian. Perhaps you should just tell me what is the correct opinion for me to have?

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Re: Does ISLAM - as a philosophy - produce 'aggrieved'
Reply #58 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 11:02am

freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2014 at 8:39am:

I think Yadda has brought up an interesting issue here. There is a strong contrast between Islam and Christianity on this particular issue. Where Christianity preaches forgiveness, Islam preaches revenge and escalation of conflict. I think it is no accident that so many conflicts with Muslims get dragged on over the decades, and it is usually Muslims doing the dragging, from a position of military inferiority. I think even Gandalf has acknowledged the tendency for Muslims to falsely or unreasonably claim aggrieved status.

Of course, Christianity had its wars over centuries when it was either fighting advancing Islam, or itself.

Having fought Islamic nations to a standstill, Christianity ripped itself apart for a few hundred years with sectarian wars... Firstly Eastern and Western Christianity (the Great Schism - still split today), then Catholic-Protestant reformation/counter-reformation wars.

Although largely at peace with itself for the last 300 years, Christianity has remained an element of some modern wars in a cryptic sense (i.e. Northern Ireland), where its influence is closer to a 'cold war' effect.

Also, Neo-Christianity does involve itself in modern conflicts but, again, in a cryptic sense, with, for example, the support of Israel by neo-Christians for religious reasons as opposed to purely political reasons.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Does ISLAM - as a philosophy - produce 'aggrieved' Reply #59 - Aug 2^nd, 2014 at 12:25pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 31^st, 2014 at 8:12pm: All I've ever suggested is that people should be given a fair go. And then apologise for them constantly if they plot against and undermine the societies that have given them said fair go.
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