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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #105 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:39pm

freediver wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

So you want me to provide evidence that Israel did not do the things it did not do?

No FD, we're talking about something they did - according to you. Here I'll jog your memory...

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Israel is forced, through common decency (which hamas completely lacks) to significantly scale down it's response compared to what it would do if this was a more conventional military vs military engagement.

I want some evidence that Israel *DID* this "scaling down" you are claiming.

In my opinion, Israel hit any and every hamas target they could find in built up civilian areas with no less ferocity than they would have hit them in non-built up areas. There is nothing - neither evidence or logic - to suggest otherwise.

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Reply #106 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

In my opinion, Israel hit any and every hamas target they could find in built up civilian areas with no less ferocity than they would have hit them in non-built up areas. There is nothing - neither evidence or logic - to suggest otherwise.

Your main man Mo said it was OK, do you have a problem with that.

Go back to the black book if you think I lie.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49264 At my desk.	Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza Reply #109 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:28pm polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:39pm: I want some evidence that Israel DID this "scaling down" you are claiming. I did not mean in a temporal sense Gandalf. I have made the same argument a dozen different ways. Trust a Muslim to go out of his way to misunderstand.
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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #110 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 11:58pm

freediver wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

I want some evidence that Israel *DID* this "scaling down" you are claiming.

I did not mean in a temporal sense Gandalf. I have made the same argument a dozen different ways..

Taqiyya, eh? Marvellous stuff.

Ah, the shifting sands of Moslem rhetoric.

It is an FD world, no?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza Reply #111 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:41am Please desist with the personal attacks FD - you've been warned about this before.
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Reply #112 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:45am

freediver wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

I want some evidence that Israel *DID* this "scaling down" you are claiming.

I did not mean in a temporal sense Gandalf. I have made the same argument a dozen different ways. Trust a Muslim to go out of his way to misunderstand.

LOL - they either scaled down their attack or they didn't - temporal or otherwise.

I call bullshit - they did not scale down their attack, and you have no basis whatsoever to say they did: hamas targets in the middle of residential areas were destroyed with the same ferocity as they would have been destroyed non-residential targets.

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Reply #113 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 8:17am

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LOL - they either scaled down their attack or they didn't - temporal or otherwise.

If it was temporal your demand for evidence would make sense. If it was not temporal then you are merely demanding evidence that something did not happen. It's not like this is the first time I have explained this to you.

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I call bullshit - they did not scale down their attack, and you have no basis whatsoever to say they did

I have explained the basis, over and over agian.

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hamas targets in the middle of residential areas were destroyed with the same ferocity as they would have been destroyed non-residential targets

Do you have evidence of Israel replying with equal ferocity to hamas targets who were not hiding behind their mother's skirts?

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Please desist with the personal attacks FD - you've been warned about this before.

What personal attacks? Are you offended that I accused you of misunderstanding? Would you prefer I spent another 8 pages subtly hinting that you do not understand what is going on?

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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #114 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:39pm

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

If it was temporal your demand for evidence would make sense. If it was not temporal then you are merely demanding evidence that something did not happen. It's not like this is the first time I have explained this to you.

If they were more restrained than they would have been if the targets were in non-residential areas - you need some sort of basis to demonstrate this. You have none.

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Do you have evidence of Israel replying with equal ferocity to hamas targets who were not hiding behind their mother's skirts?

Sure - they destroyed every hamas target they could find - no targets were somehow "attacked less" because of the presense of mother's skirts. If you insist otherwise, its up to you to prove it. See? simple - no need to obfuscate with silly words like temporal.

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

What personal attacks?

freediver wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:28pm:

Trust a Muslim to [insert negative stereotype]

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Reply #115 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:56pm

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If they were more restrained than they would have been if the targets were in non-residential areas - you need some sort of basis to demonstrate this. You have none.

I have presented the basis. You rejected it because you cannot comprehend it, despite it's simplicity.

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Sure - they destroyed every hamas target they could find - no targets were somehow "attacked less" because of the presense of mother's skirts.

That's probably because every single one was in urban areas. But I eagerly await your thorough analysis of the military force of every Israeli strike. I'm sure you are not just making this up as you go along.

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If you insist otherwise, its up to you to prove it. See? simple - no need to obfuscate with silly words like temporal.

It is not possible to prove a negative Gandalf. But it is quite easy for me to point out the bleeding obvious. It just doesn't seem to work on some people, who in a bizarre coincidence also happen to be Muslim.

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So you are offended that I accuse you of misunderstanding, despite you dedicating 8 pages to failing to understand a very simple argument? Or are you merely offended that I labelled you a Muslim?

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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #116 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:01pm

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

I have presented the basis. You rejected it because you cannot comprehend it, despite it's simplicity.

You presented it, I debunked it - multiple times. You then resort to your cryptic obfuscations - as always.

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

It is not possible to prove a negative Gandalf.

I'm not asking you to - I'm asking you to prove that Israel (in your words) "scaled down their attacks" against Hamas targets in residential areas. Thats not asking you to prove a negative - thats asking you to substantiate a baseless claim. Asking you to prove a negative would be asking you to prove something Israel didn't do - which I am not doing. I am asking you to prove something that Israel *DID* do - namely that they (again in your words) "scaled down their attack".

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

So you are offended that I accuse you of misunderstanding

I am not offended - I am simply accusing you of breaking your own rules - personally attacking me by caricaturing me as a deliberately deceptive/lying muslim. You've done it before, I thought you took the hint when I started deleting those attacks.

You are perfectly capable of accusing me of misunderstanding without needlessly attacking me as a person

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

It just doesn't seem to work on some people, who in a bizarre coincidence also happen to be Muslim.

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I guarantee you FD, no rational person who reads your "arguments" here would consider them sensible or in any way reasonable - muslim or otherwise. Fortunately for you, I seem to be the only person with enough patience to persist with your discussions. Most people simply shake their heads after enduring one or two of your unique style of rebuttals and move on in complete dismay. But it might be worthwhile for you to go through your posting history and see how you have completely flabbergasted just about everyone you have debated with - on both sides of the spectrum. Of course it could mean that you really are the only one here who makes sense, and everyone else is too stupid to understand your wisdom - but more likely not.

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Reply #117 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:23pm

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You presented it, I debunked it - multiple times.

No you haven't. You have not presented anything coming to close a rational counter-argument. You cannot counter an argument that you do not even comprehend.

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I'm not asking you to - I'm asking you to prove that Israel (in your words) "scaled down their attacks" against Hamas targets in residential areas. Thats not asking you to prove a negative - thats asking you to substantiate a baseless claim. Asking you to prove a negative would be asking you to prove something Israel didn't do

Yes Gandalf, that's what you are asking. As I already explained, I was not claiming a chain of events. You are creating a strawman of my argument, and demanding i prove that. Either that, or you are demanding I prove a negative. Take your pick.

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I guarantee you FD, no rational person who reads your "arguments" here would consider them sensible or in any way reasonable - muslim or otherwise

Brian may be on your side on this one, but I doubt anyone else is.

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Of course it could mean that you really are the only one here who makes sense, and everyone else is too stupid to understand your wisdom - but more likely not.

Plenty of people here appreciate my wisdom. I just don't attract sycophants.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza Reply #118 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:39pm freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:23pm: I was not claiming a chain of events. You are claiming Israel "scaled down their attacks" - based on nothing at all. But do continue pretending thats not a claim that requires substantiation.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49264 At my desk.	Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza Reply #119 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:57pm You are claiming Israel "scaled down their attacks" - based on nothing at all. Close - based on what Israel does not do. Is any of this sinking in yet? I am not sure how many different ways I can phrase the same thing.
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