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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #150 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:43pm

Grendel wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Did you miss it.
It was on the ABC several times...

Yes I must have missed it.

What exactly was "on" - a recording of a hamas announcement ordering civilians to stay? Or more BS baseless propaganda claims like your last video?

Please give me a link to a credible source.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #151 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Grendel wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

Did you miss it.
It was on the ABC several times...

Yes I must have missed it.

What exactly was "on" - a recording of a hamas announcement ordering civilians to stay? Or more BS baseless propaganda claims like your last video?

Please give me a link to a credible source.

Why should I bother?
You obviously are braindead or brainwashed on this.
Are you saying that Yousef is not who he says he is?
Are you saying he is a liar?
Let me tell you what he says gels very well with what Hamas was saying and asking civilians to do. I think it was an Al Jazeerah feed on the ABC. Do you deny the French and Indian reports about Hamas and their firing positions?
If so you are completely in denial. Cheesy

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza Reply #152 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:58pm Do you also deny the truth about ISIL... Do you deny what this Iraqi woman says is happening...? http://www.youtube.com/watchv=HdIEm1s6yhY
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza Reply #153 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 4:06pm We know it is a FACT that Christian houses were marked by ISIL in Mosul. Just as the Jews had their marked in Germany at one time. We know they issued a convert or die ultimatum.
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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #154 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 4:19pm

Stick to the topic Grendel - we're talking about Palestine, not ISIL.

Grendel wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Why should I bother?

- so no evidence then.

Grendel wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Are you saying that Yousef is not who he says he is?
Are you saying he is a liar?

I'm saying his testimony lends not a shred of credible support to the claim that Hamas is ordering civilians to stay in the line of fire. Shall I quote a Hamas operative testifying that its all lies? Thats the sort of credibility we're talking about here.

Grendel wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

I think it was an Al Jazeerah feed on the ABC

You should have no problem finding a link then.

Grendel wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Do you deny the French and Indian reports about Hamas and their firing positions?

I deny it has any relevance to the claim you are supposed to be addressing.

I believe that makes three completely unrelated issues you've brought up in this brave defense of this one claim that Hamas are ordering civilians to stay. Congratulations. Shall I post your favourite head-up-his-arse picture now, or wait till you've dug yourself in even deeper?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #155 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 4:23pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 4:19pm:

Stick to the topic Grendel - we're talking about Palestine, not ISIL.

Grendel wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Why should I bother?

- so no evidence then.

Grendel wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Are you saying that Yousef is not who he says he is?
Are you saying he is a liar?

I'm saying his testimony lends not a shred of credible support to the claim that Hamas is ordering civilians to stay in the line of fire. Shall I quote a Hamas operative testifying that its all lies? Thats the sort of credibility we're talking about here.

Grendel wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

I think it was an Al Jazeerah feed on the ABC

You should have no problem finding a link then.

Grendel wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:56pm:

Do you deny the French and Indian reports about Hamas and their firing positions?

I deny it has any relevance to the claim you are supposed to be addressing.

I believe that makes three completely unrelated issues you've brought up in this brave defense of this one claim that Hamas are ordering civilians to stay. Congratulations. Shall I post your favourite head-up-his-arse picture now, or wait till you've dug yourself in even deeper?

Well I'm talking about bad Muslim behaviour in the ME in general on this point because you seem to ignore or deny what people tell you on Gaza and Hamas.

"Oh I never saw it, therefore it never happened" Cheesy

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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #156 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 4:27pm

Like I said your last post proves you don't want to hear the truth.
I posted directly to the point on the topic re the Indian and French reporting and you said it had no relevance to the topic... Roll Eyes

Gee; Gaza, human shields... what else do you call the people either side of the rockets fired by people who want retaliation, who want deaths, who use such destruction as part of their propaganda war.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza Reply #158 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 4:36pm No?
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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #160 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 5:03pm

OK - first video Bill Clinton parroting the usual Israel propaganda line with no evidence - fail

Second video is some Hamas guy responding to an actual event that happened, when a resident received a "knock on the roof" strike by Israel, and to which a group nearby resident responded by placing themselves on the roof to try and prevent the bombing. They failed, and 7 people died. The guy in the video is simply applauding this action (for obvious propaganda purposes) and saying there should be more of it. Note: *NOT* ordering people to stay. Fail

Third video is a statement of the Palestinian National and Islamic Forces - a group formed by and led by fatah - Hamas's traditional rival - ie *NOT* Hamas. Fail.

On planet earth, mainstream media is saying things like this:

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Israel also claimed that Hamas had forced civilians to remain in the Gaza City neighbourhood of Shujai'iya after the IDF warned them to evacuate ahead of its assault on Sunday. Civilians were being "held as hostages", said Peter Lerner, an IDF military spokesman.

These claims have not been backed up by independent reporting from international journalists covering the war from Gaza. Instead, dispatches from the ground have presented complex reasons why some residents did not evacuate from Shujai'iya and other areas targeted by the IDF. Many said nowhere in Gaza was safe, so they saw little point in abandoning their homes.

Others cited worries about not knowing the identities of people who would be their new neighbours; they could be evacuating a familiar neighbourhood for one that was a militant stronghold and others were simply too terrified to go out on the streets. Many media reports said there was no evidence of coercion by Hamas.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/24/gaza-hamas-fighters-military-bases-...

FD tried to dismiss this article by claiming it resorts to (in his words) "vague arm waving" and "absurd leaps of logic", though he spent about 10 pages trying to avoid what he actually means by this. Personally, "vague" and "illogical" would be about the last terms I would use to describe this particular article.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #161 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 6:29pm

So your response to the truth is to squeeze your eyes closed tight.
Put your hands over your ears.
Stomp around in small circles shouting "I can't hear you" or "lalalalala" or "allahu wakbar"

Honestly... and you expect people anywhere except on the Ummah website to take you seriously? Cheesy

I suggest you ring up the ABC and waste their time to send you copies of what I watched the other night.

You are in deep irrational denial.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza Reply #162 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 6:36pm Oh and gandalf.... this is my favourite image. I don't get to use it as often as I'd like.
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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #163 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 10:26pm

Oh and gandalf...

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Palestinian National and Islamic Forces (PNIF)

SUMMARY:
The Palestinian National and Islamic Forces is a coalition formed shortly after the outbreak of the second Intifada for the purpose of coordinating the agenda of its members and planning and executing joint attacks against Israel.

The Islamic and National Forces in the Governorate of Hebron:

Islamic Resistance Movement/Hamas
Fatah
Palestine People’s Party
Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Palestine Liberation Front
Democratic Union of Palestine/FIDA
Palestinian Popular Struggle Front

Palestinian National and Islamic Forces (PNIF) is an active group formed c. 2000.

Oh my will you look at that HAMAS is a part of the PNIF.
What was that you were saying earlier gandalf?
Oh yes...
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Third video is a statement of the Palestinian National and Islamic Forces - a group formed by and led by fatah - Hamas's traditional rival - ie *NOT* Hamas. Fail.

Yes you certainly have failed.
And as long as you keep failing to listen and keep ignoring and denying, then it is rather pointless people discussing things with you.

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Re: About those alleged "human shields" in gaza
Reply #164 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 10:40pm

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OK - first video Bill Clinton parroting the usual Israel propaganda line with no evidence - fail

Yet independent international media have shown that Hamas do indeed use civilians as human shields, or more exactly, as fodder/martyrs for their propaganda and their agenda, where they expect civilians to martyr themselves for the greater Islamic good and their goal of ridding the ME of Israel.

They have been on tv stating those goals and method.
They have been shown to launch from residential areas from areas near schools and hospitals, they want maximum human casualties.

You on the other hand fail to acknowledge the evidence and truth.

You are just a stooge, one of the "useful idiots" defending the indefensible with rubbish.

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