freediver wrote on Aug 7
th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
This is simple Gandalf - IIsrael has not chain dragged the gaza strip.
Israel can destroy all Hamas targets they can find without chain dragging. It is safe to assume they have done this - and thats why they have ended the offensive. The fact that there is no evidence they were in any way restrained by the risk of collateral damage in doing this, defeats your argument.
The 'chain dragging' argument is a complete red herring. Like I said, it is a completely pointless exercise for Israel if they can destroy all their targets without resorting to it. And there is every indication that this is what they have done - and there is no evidence to suggest that mother's skirts were in any way an obstacle. And if you insist they were, then its up to you to provide the evidence.
freediver wrote on Aug 7
th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
It is not front and centre of what we are discussing.
It is 100% front and centre of what we're discussing. It is a blatant lie by Israel because they have not a shred of evidence for the claim, and it is directly refuted by actual witnesses on the ground. You fail at this debate because you don't even know what its about - namely the lies Israel is perpetuating so they can get away with slaughtering innocents. Again, please read the OP.
freediver wrote on Aug 7
th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
What would the top bras do without the restof Hamas?
They would simply replenish their following from the inexhaustible pool of angry and resentful young men - inexhaustible because of the endless suffering caused by the Israeli siege.
freediver wrote on Aug 7
th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
And on it goes. At some point I have to ask you what evidence you are asking for, because you cannot comprehend the evidence I have presented.
LOL - so its "evidence" now is it? You do realise that until now you've been quite open about the fact that you have no evidence - instead trying to pass it off as "common sense", "logic" etc right?
But since you are apparently now in the "evidence" game, I'll try and be helpful and tell you what I would expect as evidence:
1. The claim that Hamas is using "human shields" by storing and firing rockets directly from inside populated civilian infrastructure. Evidence would include documents, images, footage etc of rockets existing in these places and/or rockets being fired from these places. Now unless more evidence has come to light since I posted the OP (which I haven't seen), the only evidence of
anything related to this is that Hamas stored some rockets in a disused UN school. I repeat a
disused school. Thus the only place we know for sure where Hamas rockets were being stored was in a place that was not being used, or was occupied by any civilians.
But please FD, enlighten me with some evidence that demonstrates the opposite. Not the demonstrably flawed logic that Hamas must store/fire rockets in/from inside civilian-occupied buildings - otherwise they would not survive. Thats not evidence.
2. The claim that Hamas is specifically ordering people to stay in areas that are under Israeli attack. Evidence for this might include recorded TV/radio broadcasts, intercepted phone calls to affected residents, flyers/leaflets/letters sent to residents with the alleged orders, statements by residents corroborating the Israeli claim. Things like that.
Once again, the only actual evidence we have related to this is the testimony of locals given to independent reporters, which
completely contradict the Israeli claim. But please FD, if you have any other evidence that supports the Israeli claim, please enlighten me.
freediver wrote on Aug 7
th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
Obviously I am referring to the military actions and infrastructure.
civilian infrastructure associated with Hamas are being targeted FD.
freediver wrote on Aug 7
th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
If they fire a rocket at Israel then run home to mother and hide under the bed, then yes, that is exactly how I would describe it. The Israeli soldiers also have homes, but they don't park the tank out the front after a hard day of shooting at Hamas.
They live there FD. They would live there regardless of whether or not they fired a rocket and ran home to mother, and therefore Israel would target them regardless - since they are a hamas target. And don't be so obtuse - I already said these residents are targeted irrespective of whether or not the particular operative is home under the bed or not. Frequently they are not at home during the strike.
freediver wrote on Aug 7
th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
It is entirely Hamas who decides that it should happen in urban areas.
Yes FD, Hamas should build civilian infrastructure all out of the urban areas they are servicing I suppose - and recruit people who are all living outside urban areas
Get a grip on reality - please.
freediver wrote on Aug 7
th, 2014 at 8:25pm:
I'm sure they also bombed a few flower patches Gandalf. Add it to your list.
Presumably you can explain to us all the security imperative of bulldozing chicken factories and destroying water treatment plants?
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