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True Blue... Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3748 Gender:	Surrogate mother ... Aug 5^th, 2014 at 6:44am not sure why I can't reply in the other thread... but im hearing news that the father is a convicted paedophile... anyone else hear that?
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Annie Anthrax Gold Member Offline Take the plan, spin it sideways Posts: 7057 Gender:	Re: Surrogate mother ... Reply #1 - Aug 5^th, 2014 at 7:44am Yes, I heard that. Apparently he was served time in the late 90s for "indecently dealing wth a child." There should be an immediate investigation. If the reports are true and dependng on the nature of the crime, the Australan government needs to intervene and remove that little grl.
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Cliff48 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics /> Posts: 2109 Canberra Gender:	Re: Surrogate mother ... Reply #2 - Aug 5^th, 2014 at 8:46am True Blue... wrote on Aug 5^th, 2014 at 6:44am: not sure why I can't reply in the other thread... but im hearing news that the father is a convicted paedophile... anyone else hear that? Please see: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1407060740
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Reply #3 - Aug 5^th, 2014 at 1:49pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 5^th, 2014 at 7:44am:

Yes, I heard that. Apparently he was served time in the late 90s for "indecently dealing wth a child."

There should be an immediate investigation. If the reports are true and dependng on the nature of the crime, the Australan government needs to intervene and remove that little grl.

Ummmm no they shouldn't ....... they should maybe remove the husband & investigate him.

However the child is also the biological daughter of the mother - his wife & there has been no talk of her having a criminal record or a record of child abuse/sexual abuse.

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Reply #4 - Aug 5^th, 2014 at 5:36pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 5^th, 2014 at 7:44am:

Yes, I heard that. Apparently he was served time in the late 90s for "indecently dealing wth a child."

There should be an immediate investigation. If the reports are true and dependng on the nature of the crime, the Australan government needs to intervene and remove that little grl.

You realise these people are allowed to have children, generally once the sentence has been served they have the same rights as anyone else.

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Reply #5 - Aug 5^th, 2014 at 5:45pm

Kytro wrote on Aug 5^th, 2014 at 5:36pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 5^th, 2014 at 7:44am:

Yes, I heard that. Apparently he was served time in the late 90s for "indecently dealing wth a child."

There should be an immediate investigation. If the reports are true and dependng on the nature of the crime, the Australan government needs to intervene and remove that little grl.

You realise these people are allowed to have children, generally once the sentence has been served they have the same rights as anyone else.

Yeas, it raises a good point. If anyone convicted of those sort of offences are to be denied parenthood, they should be neutered, and as well as banned from adopting....if we are fair dinkum about it.

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Reply #6 - Aug 5^th, 2014 at 5:53pm

Aussie wrote on Aug 5^th, 2014 at 5:45pm:

Kytro wrote on Aug 5^th, 2014 at 5:36pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Aug 5^th, 2014 at 7:44am:

Yes, I heard that. Apparently he was served time in the late 90s for "indecently dealing wth a child."

There should be an immediate investigation. If the reports are true and dependng on the nature of the crime, the Australan government needs to intervene and remove that little grl.

You realise these people are allowed to have children, generally once the sentence has been served they have the same rights as anyone else.

Yeas, it raises a good point. If anyone convicted of those sort of offences are to be denied parenthood, they should be neutered, and as well as banned from adopting....if we are fair dinkum about it.

You have no clue, do you? Grin

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Reply #7 - Aug 6^th, 2014 at 12:17am

I WAS going to start a new thread Nope here we are.

I'll say UPFRONT,...
Surrogacy should not BE AN OPTION.

IF you are unable to conceive a child through natural measures... you are not fit parents. It SHOULD NOT BE !

Now before you get upset.. I don't mean .. 'not fit' as in any moral sense.. YOU would no doubt love your offspring....
But i am saying .. your genes and your partners genes,,,SHOULD NOT combine,....a far from optimal mix ....it should never be a forced conception.. which is what it is...

because the outcome will be FLAWED... one way or another.

Perhaps it doesn't show early, or perhaps it does... but these scientists and couples .. MUST REALIZE they are denying or subverting the order of life on Earth.

We humans have such hubris....!!! Cannot conceive..?? well we will anyway..!!

Such lack of connection with the life force of the earth... such insistence of human supremacy... I am at a loss.. Sad

The sheer greed and excess of need and wealth to deny nature..
no one wins in the end.

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Reply #8 - Aug 6^th, 2014 at 12:25am

oh yeah .. that doesn't address the criminal 'parents' in this case. It is important that this matter have intense scrutiny. One can only imagine how many other new-born 'slaves' are out there.. or should I say.. here.... in Australia.

There are some real swine/grotesque monsters around... capable of anything. Why should that new GIRL child be held by these sorts of SWINE... in Australia,,,???

NO WAY ..... that wee girl would be better off in Thailand... unquestionably.
WE might think we are the greatest people .. here in Aus... but reality shows otherwise.. doesn't it.? Sad

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Reply #9 - Aug 6^th, 2014 at 6:53am

Emma wrote on Aug 6^th, 2014 at 12:25am:

oh yeah .. that doesn't address the criminal 'parents' in this case. It is important that this matter have intense scrutiny. One can only imagine how many other new-born 'slaves' are out there.. or should I say.. here.... in Australia.

There are some real swine/grotesque monsters around... capable of anything. Why should that new GIRL child be held by these sorts of SWINE... in Australia,,,???

NO WAY ..... that wee girl would be better off in Thailand... unquestionably.
WE might think we are the greatest people .. here in Aus... but reality shows otherwise.. doesn't it.? Sad

oh yes... Girls are treated very well in Tia Land... they teach them all sorts of pingpong tricks...

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Reply #10 - Aug 6^th, 2014 at 6:54am

Emma wrote on Aug 6^th, 2014 at 12:17am:

I WAS going to start a new thread Nope here we are.

I'll say UPFRONT,...
Surrogacy should not BE AN OPTION.

IF you are unable to conceive a child through natural measures... you are not fit parents. It SHOULD NOT BE !

Now before you get upset.. I don't mean .. 'not fit' as in any moral sense.. YOU would no doubt love your offspring....
But i am saying .. your genes and your partners genes,,,SHOULD NOT combine,....a far from optimal mix ....it should never be a forced conception.. which is what it is...

because the outcome will be FLAWED... one way or another.

Perhaps it doesn't show early, or perhaps it does... but these scientists and couples .. MUST REALIZE they are denying or subverting the order of life on Earth.

We humans have such hubris....!!! Cannot conceive..?? well we will anyway..!!

Such lack of connection with the life force of the earth... such insistence of human supremacy... I am at a loss.. Sad

The sheer greed and excess of need and wealth to deny nature..
no one wins in the end.

tin foil hats and flat earth are ringing bells here... Roll Eyes

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Reply #11 - Aug 6^th, 2014 at 7:12am

Emma wrote on Aug 6^th, 2014 at 12:17am:

I WAS going to start a new thread Nope here we are.

I'll say UPFRONT,...
Surrogacy should not BE AN OPTION.

IF you are unable to conceive a child through natural measures... you are not fit parents. It SHOULD NOT BE !

Now before you get upset.. I don't mean .. 'not fit' as in any moral sense.. YOU would no doubt love your offspring....
But i am saying .. your genes and your partners genes,,,SHOULD NOT combine,....a far from optimal mix ....it should never be a forced conception.. which is what it is...

because the outcome will be FLAWED... one way or another.

Perhaps it doesn't show early, or perhaps it does... but these scientists and couples .. MUST REALIZE they are denying or subverting the order of life on Earth.

We humans have such hubris....!!! Cannot conceive..?? well we will anyway..!!

Such lack of connection with the life force of the earth... such insistence of human supremacy... I am at a loss.. Sad

The sheer greed and excess of need and wealth to deny nature..
no one wins in the end.
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Well with that in mind then you would agree that fertile Lesbians should not be allowed access
to IVF? .... because that is not a natural conception & never
will be, it also forced.

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4013 Gender:	Re: Surrogate mother ... Reply #12 - Aug 6^th, 2014 at 12:57pm What about a young girl was sexually attacked at a young age. And the resulting injury made her unable to have children? But she was able to have children prior. Is this considered un-natural as well if she wanted to have children?
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Reply #13 - Aug 6^th, 2014 at 6:07pm

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 6^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

What about a young girl was sexually attacked at a young age. And the resulting injury made her unable to have children? But she was able to have children prior. Is this considered un-natural as well if she wanted to have children?

Not in my view. A totally different scenario.
Altho care would need to be taken.. to ensure that the donor sperm is compatible to the proposed mother.

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Reply #14 - Aug 6^th, 2014 at 6:12pm

Emma wrote on Aug 6^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 6^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

What about a young girl was sexually attacked at a young age. And the resulting injury made her unable to have children? But she was able to have children prior. Is this considered un-natural as well if she wanted to have children?

Not in my view. A totally different scenario.
Altho care would need to be taken.. to ensure that the donor sperm is compatible to the proposed mother.

Taste test? Undecided

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