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Taipan Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1091 SouthWest Sydney Gender:	AMA slams Abetz abortion comments Aug 8^th, 2014 at 5:28am http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/08/07/23/24/ama-slams-abetz-abortion-comme... Oh NO!! Mr Abetz you cant say that! Even if it might be true we cant have young White women deciding not to abort their White babies....... abortion is an important part of the White Genocide plan, didn't you know that Mr. Abetz? You silly man.
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Reply #1 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:28am

Some have demonstrated that there is also a correlation, between women having abortions, and 1/ later 'suffering' miscarriage ['spontaneous' abortion, being unable to carry a pregnancy to term], and, 2/ between, having earlier abortions, and 'suffering' subsequent 'infertility'.

I haven't got a link to hand, but do some googling.

Dictionary;
correlation = =
1 a mutual relationship or connection. the process of correlating two or more things.
2 interdependence of variable quantities.

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True Blue... Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3748 Gender:	Re: AMA slams Abetz abortion comments Reply #2 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 7:07am yes, middle aged white males should shut their mouths and have nothing to say... not even quote statistics from research that have been done over 30 years...
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29943 Gender:	Re: AMA slams Abetz abortion comments Reply #3 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:42am You lot must be Abetz love children & you're right Blue ... he should shut his mouth & leave his personal religious opinions to himself... he's as bad as that interfering sanctimonious catholic Liberal twerp Kevin Andrews.
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Re: AMA slams Abetz abortion comments
Reply #4 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:43am

Gnads wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:42am:

he should shut his mouth & leave his personal religious
opinions to himself...

he's as bad as that interfering sanctimonious catholic Liberal twerp Kevin Andrews.

Endeavour Forum National and Overseas Coordinator, Babette Francis

The Endeavour Forum, founded by Babette Francis, is hosting the “World Congress of Families Regional Event” in Melbourne on 30 August 2014. The Congress will be sponsored and attended by a total of 7 high profile far right wing Australian politicians.

The Hon. Kevin Andrews MP, Minister for Social Services will open and close the event.

The Hon. Robert Clark, Attorney-General will give a 15 min. talk welcoming everyone to Victoria.

The Hon. Bernie Finn, MLC will speak about abortion.

The Hon Jan Kronberg, MLC will chair a talk on sexuality.

Rev. The Hon. Fred Nile, MLC will speak about “God’s creative purpose for planet Earth”.

The Hon. Senator Eric Abetz (Tas) supporter and participant of the event.

The Hon.Senator Cory Bernardi (SA) supporter and participant of the event.

In their own words the Endeavour Forum is “a Christian, pro-life, pro-family Australian Non-Government Organisation (NGO).” The Endeavour Forum was “founded to counter feminism, to defend the right to life of the unborn, and to support marriage and the natural family.” They go on to state, “we consider feminism is an evolutionary anachronism, a Darwinian blind alley; it inevitably leads to a birth rate below replacement level.”

Endeavour Forum are anti reproductive choice, anti marriage equality and anti feminism. Further research finds that the Endeavour Forum National and Overseas Coordinator,

Babette Francis has a habit of cherry picking scientific evidence that supports her Christian based bigoted beliefs despite the scientific community consensus debunking these claims.

When Babette can’t find a debunked study to cite, she reverts to the use of mockery and ridicule to promote her ideas.

Babette has a hard right conservative Christian agenda to have us all heterosexual, cisgendered, virgins on marriage and pregnant unless we practice abstinence. Babette is against the use of contraception, links the introduction of abortion to the lowering of the birth rate, claims that “condoms will not stem the tide of HIV infections” and states that “Life and Marriage issues … underpin the economic prosperity of a nation”.

Babette clings to the belief that abortion causes breast cancer rather than accept the consensus supported by major medical bodies that there is no such link

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http://progressiveatheists.org/campaigns-projects/endeavour-forum-inc/

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29943 Gender:	Re: AMA slams Abetz abortion comments Reply #5 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:08pm Thanks for posting that Buzz
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Reply #6 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:50pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Babette clings to the belief that abortion causes breast cancer rather than accept the consensus supported by major medical bodies that there is no such link

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I won't agree with that belief that abortion causes breast cancer, unless there are some outstanding stats presented that will make me stop and think. Reason I think that is not true to the best of my knowledge, is simply because of women I know that have had back yard abortions going back from the 1950's, and some are still alive and kicking, and others that have died from other causes.

And the women I know that are nearest and dearest to me, that have had breast cancer, some having died and some still going, have NEVER had any abortions, nor miscarriages. they had healthy babies with every pregnancy.

I don't like the topic of abortions, I am not totally against it, but from listening to elder women talk of their hard times back in those risky days of back yarders, makes me realize it is something that will not just stop, it will always be a decision a woman will make, depending on what is happening in their lives to make such a decision, and in this day and age, it's best to be done under sterile conditions and no risk to the woman's life. Therefore, for that reason alone, I will have to support abortion to be legal under strict conditions.
Believe it......some women do have regrets after, it's not always going to be something that won't play on their minds for years after.
I personally have never had an abortion, but I have had a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion) with my first pregnancy, and it was awful. Sad

But does that put me in the class to be wary of getting breast cancer?
There is no indication of that happening, at this point in life, and have been to the breast screen place for a check.
All clear.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: AMA slams Abetz abortion comments Reply #7 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:03pm I find it interesting for all the well Abetz is right stuff, when no one has posted a single peer reviewed reference here.
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Reply #8 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:11pm

Sophia wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:50pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:43am:

Babette clings to the belief that abortion causes breast cancer rather than accept the consensus supported by major medical bodies that there is no such link

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I won't agree with that belief that abortion causes breast cancer, unless there are some outstanding stats presented that will make me stop and think. Reason I think that is not true to the best of my knowledge, is simply because of women I know that have had back yard abortions going back from the 1950's, and some are still alive and kicking, and others that have died from other causes.

And the women I know that are nearest and dearest to me, that have had breast cancer, some having died and some still going, have NEVER had any abortions, nor miscarriages. they had healthy babies with every pregnancy.

I don't like the topic of abortions, I am not totally against it, but from listening to elder women talk of their hard times back in those risky days of back yarders, makes me realize it is something that will not just stop, it will always be a decision a woman will make, depending on what is happening in their lives to make such a decision, and in this day and age, it's best to be done under sterile conditions and no risk to the woman's life. Therefore, for that reason alone, I will have to support abortion to be legal under strict conditions.
Believe it......some women do have regrets after, it's not always going to be something that won't play on their minds for years after.
I personally have never had an abortion, but I have had a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion) with my first pregnancy, and it was awful. Sad

But does that put me in the class to be wary of getting breast cancer?
There is no indication of that happening, at this point in life, and have been to the breast screen place for a check.
All clear.

Agreed - same here - I've had people I know and often cherish die from BC and it is awful. They didn't have any of those things and one didn't even take the pill.

I fail to see any relationship between abortion and BC later. Sounds silly.

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Reply #10 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 1:32pm

Taipan wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 5:28am:

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/08/07/23/24/ama-slams-abetz-abortion-comme...

Oh NO!! Mr Abetz you cant say that! Even if it might be true we cant have young White women deciding not to abort their White babies....... abortion is an important part of the White Genocide plan, didn't you know that Mr. Abetz? You silly man.

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.

There is absolutely no link between abortion and breast cancer.

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Reply #11 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:00pm

Eric Abetz, George Brandis, Tony Abbott & Joe Hockey are perfect examples of the out dated fuddy duddies that are the LNP ..... despite the disappointments of the Labor Partys tenure these donkeys make regressive ignorance look like a career path.

Saving us money?.... balancing the budget? .... oh perrrrrrrr lease ....... what a crock.

D1ckheads extraordinaire ..... but especially Abetz

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"If he's quoting papers from the 1950s, I suspect that's where he's living," the AMA president, Associate Professor Brian Owler, said."

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Reply #12 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 9:12pm

... wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

I find it interesting for all the well Abetz is right stuff, when no one has posted a single peer reviewed reference here.

I find it interesting that for all the talk about people saying Abetz is right, no one has posted a single post saying that.

Apart from the OP.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #13 - Aug 10^th, 2014 at 1:11pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 9:12pm:

... wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 9:31am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:03pm:

I find it interesting for all the well Abetz is right stuff, when no one has posted a single peer reviewed reference here.

I find it interesting that for all the talk about people saying Abetz is right, no one has posted a single post saying that.

Apart from the OP.

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Even if it might be true

Not exactly the strongest endorsement is it?

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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: AMA slams Abetz abortion comments Reply #14 - Aug 10^th, 2014 at 1:21pm Yadda wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 6:28am: Some have demonstrated that there is also a correlation, between women having abortions, and ........ Sorry Honky, better make that 2 posts suggesting Abetz is right
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