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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96220 Gender:	Re: $1.2 Billion Reply #45 - Aug 11^th, 2014 at 8:21pm Adamant wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 2:21pm: We need a muslim tax now. We most certainly do, Adamant. Then the Muselman could identify himself each and every year on his tax return. Good show.
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Reply #46 - Aug 11^th, 2014 at 8:22pm

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

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They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.

So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?

Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD? Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry? Roll Eyes

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.

It is future terrorist attacks that they are trying to prevent, not the small number from the past

Ah.

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Reply #47 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 11:22am

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

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They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.

So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?

Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD? Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry? Roll Eyes

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.

It is future terrorist attacks that they are trying to prevent, not the small number from the past (which does ironically enough, include one by Muslims, so yes, Muslims are already over-represented).

If you are discounting the attacks "from the past", why include even the one from Muslims? Such contradictions in your own thinking FD! Grin

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Reply #48 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 12:10pm

|dev|null wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

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They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.

So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?

Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD? Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry? Roll Eyes

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.

It is future terrorist attacks that they are trying to prevent, not the small number from the past (which does ironically enough, include one by Muslims, so yes, Muslims are already over-represented).

If you are discounting the attacks "from the past", why include even the one from Muslims? Such contradictions in your own thinking FD! Grin

Have there ever been any Muslim terrorist attacks in Australia?

I'm curious.

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Reply #49 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 12:20pm

Karnal there was one about a hundred years ago involving Afghan camel herderes. I think it was during WWI or WWII.

|dev|null wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

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They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.

So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?

Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD? Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry? Roll Eyes

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.

It is future terrorist attacks that they are trying to prevent, not the small number from the past (which does ironically enough, include one by Muslims, so yes, Muslims are already over-represented).

If you are discounting the attacks "from the past", why include even the one from Muslims? Such contradictions in your own thinking FD! Grin

I appreciate how this must all be terribly confusing for you. Just remember, don't try to blow anything up, and you'll be right.

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Reply #50 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 2:06pm

freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Karnal there was one about a hundred years ago involving Afghan camel herderes. I think it was during WWI or WWII.

|dev|null wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 11:22am:

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:05pm:

Quote:

They should devote time to ALL Terrorists who represent a credible threat, FD.

So you support them devoting a significant effort to tracking Muslims, way beyond what the size of our Muslim population alone would suggest?

Is it mere suspicion, bigotry or is there credible evidence which points to them being a credible threat, FD? Or do you just want them to purely concentrate on the Muslim community because of your own bigotry? Roll Eyes

Considering that most Terrorist attacks which have occurred on Australian soil have been by non-Muslims I'd suggest it was important that the Intelligence services did not develop myopia.

It is future terrorist attacks that they are trying to prevent, not the small number from the past (which does ironically enough, include one by Muslims, so yes, Muslims are already over-represented).

If you are discounting the attacks "from the past", why include even the one from Muslims? Such contradictions in your own thinking FD! Grin

I appreciate how this must all be terribly confusing for you. Just remember, don't try to blow anything up, and you'll be right.

So, it was 100 years ago yet you've said we shouldn't be thinking about the attacks of the past. How do you reconcile the contradiction? Grin

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"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96220 Gender:	Re: $1.2 Billion Reply #51 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 2:11pm freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 12:20pm: Karnal there was one about a hundred years ago involving Afghan camel herderes. I think it was during WWI or WWII. Do ASIO have this information, FD? What security level are the Afghan camel drivers? Please explain.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: $1.2 Billion Reply #52 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 3:17pm Karnal wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 2:11pm: freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 12:20pm: Karnal there was one about a hundred years ago involving Afghan camel herderes. I think it was during WWI or WWII. Do ASIO have this information, FD? What security level are the Afghan camel drivers? Please explain.
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Reply #53 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 4:04pm

freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:

I appreciate how this must all be terribly confusing for you. Just remember, don't try to blow anything up, and you'll be right.

It is a bit confusing, FD. How can Hot Breath try not to blow anything up in future? What if he becomes an Afghan camel driver?

It is possible, you know. Look what happened to the 2007 FD.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: $1.2 Billion Reply #54 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 5:26pm Is it just me, or are Gnadalf and the apologists in much higher spirits since ISIS brought slaughtering the infidel back into fashion? It's a jolly world, no?
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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: $1.2 Billion Reply #55 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 5:51pm freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 5:26pm: Is it just me, or are Gnadalf and the apologists in much higher spirits since ISIS brought slaughtering the infidel back into fashion? It's a jolly world, no? Reminds me of the Walking Dead.
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Reply #56 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 6:04pm

freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 5:26pm:

Is it just me, or are Gnadalf and the apologists in much higher spirits since ISIS brought slaughtering the infidel back into fashion? It's a jolly world, no?

Funny, thats the feeling I've had about the glee with which many of the Islamophobes and bigots have been posting about the atrocities that ISIS has been committing while defending the Israelis who have been doing similar things. Grin

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Reply #57 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 8:00pm

freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 12:20pm:

Karnal there was one about a hundred years ago involving Afghan camel herderes. I think it was during WWI or WWII.

When do you think WWII occurred, FD? Roll Eyes

It was in fact two Turkish Ice-Cream sellers who attacked the Broken Hill Picnic Train on 1 January 1915 with rifle fire from their Ice-Cream cart. They were acting out of political, rather than religious conviction. Afterall, the UK (and hence Australia) had declared war on Turkey on 5 November 1914.

I must wonder though, how the events of 100 years ago has much bearing on how Muslims today act, now, as members of Australian society. None of the Australian Muslim population were alive 100 years ago and most of their ancestor were resident in other countries at the time.

So, as HB has asked, can you reconcile bring this one, singular act of Turkish Terrorism to discussion, with your claim that we should not look back at past events? Roll Eyes

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Reply #58 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 8:12pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 8:00pm:

I must wonder though, how the events of 100 years ago has much bearing on how Muslims today act, now, as members of Australian society. None of the Australian Muslim population were alive 100 years ago and most of their ancestor were resident in other countries at the time.

Lol, I guess you won't be using the crusades as an excuse any more. Cool

In fact I am going to save that comment of yours for future reference.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96220 Gender:	Re: $1.2 Billion Reply #59 - Aug 12^th, 2014 at 10:14pm freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 5:26pm: Is it just me, or are Gnadalf and the apologists in much higher spirits since ISIS brought slaughtering the infidel back into fashion? It's a jolly world, no? The 2007 FD’s going to have a party. Let’s hope he doesn’t invite you, eh?
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