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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Air strikes on ISIS Aug 8^th, 2014 at 1:43pm So Obama has abandoned his "no new wars" position. When the air strikes fail to turn the situation around, what then? Is this the start of the slippery slope?
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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: Air strikes on ISIS Reply #1 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 1:58pm Just bombing somewhere isn't exactly a "war". Otherwise, the US led air campaign against Libyan govt forces a few years ago would have also been a war. It wasn't.
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Datalife Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2405 Gender:	Re: Air strikes on ISIS Reply #2 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 2:17pm Is it only the great satan delivering food to those stranded and starving in the mountains?
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Reply #3 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 2:42pm

Not yet...

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Mr Obama said American warplanes would attack Islamic State "terrorist convoys" if they tried to advance on Erbil.

"In recent days these terrorists have continued to move across Iraq and have neared the city of Erbil where American diplomats and civilians serve at our consulate and American military personnel advise Iraqi forces," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-08/obama-authorises-airstrikes-in-iraq/565720...

The Kurdish region in Iraq understandably represents a red line for the US. Presumably ISIS won't be stupid enough to cross that line - and the air strikes will be on hold - for now.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #4 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 3:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 2:42pm:

Not yet...

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Mr Obama said American warplanes would attack Islamic State "terrorist convoys" if they tried to advance on Erbil.

"In recent days these terrorists have continued to move across Iraq and have neared the city of Erbil where American diplomats and civilians serve at our consulate and American military personnel advise Iraqi forces," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-08/obama-authorises-airstrikes-in-iraq/565720...

The Kurdish region in Iraq understandably represents a red line for the US. Presumably ISIS won't be stupid enough to cross that line - and the air strikes will be on hold - for now.

Cross the line!!!

Executing 100's of unarmed young men isn't "crossing a line".

Well i'll be......

One thing we know about cowardly muslims is that they’ll stay as close to civilian populations as they can.

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Reply #5 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:18pm

Because ISIS have a take no prisoners policy, ground combat is completely out of the question so I think air strikes are a fantastic idea !

I was against the invasion of Iraq because I was told that a power vacuum would lead to this kind of instability and it has.
ISIS are anti life and as such they deserve none, they want to take over the world and turn it into a hardline islamic state, they are a virus if not controlled will spread and infect the rest of the middle east.

The way I see it is that the rest of the world should declare open season on ISIS and use the ISIS held territory as target practice for all their latest weaponry. This would certainly put the heat on them. Remember it was with the aid of US air strikes that the Northern Alliance was able top turn the tide on the Taliban.
With out air support the Iraqi army and Shia militias will have a hell of a time trying to stop their advance.

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Reply #6 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:43pm

fractalign wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:18pm:

Because ISIS have a take no prisoners policy, ground combat is completely out of the question so I think air strikes are a fantastic idea !

I was against the invasion of Iraq because I was told that a power vacuum would lead to this kind of instability and it has.
ISIS are anti life and as such they deserve none, they want to take over the world and turn it into a hardline islamic state, they are a virus if not controlled will spread and infect the rest of the middle east.

The way I see it is that the rest of the world should declare open season on ISIS and use the ISIS held territory as target practice for all their latest weaponry. This would certainly put the heat on them. Remember it was with the aid of US air strikes that the Northern Alliance was able top turn the tide on the Taliban.
With out air support the Iraqi army and Shia militias will have a hell of a time trying to stop their advance.

I was against, and marched against, war in Iraq. Our reps did it anyway. We broke it, we need to help fix it, we need to kill off ISIS, and if that meant troops, I think I would agree this time. We owe it to the Iraqis we went in to "save" the first time, to save them from the likes if ISIS. The war against "Al Qaeda" has brought out the real nuts, now is the time to do something. Cry

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Air strikes on ISIS Reply #7 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:57pm Setanta wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:43pm: We broke it, we need to help fix it, we need to kill off ISIS, and if that meant troops, I think I would agree this time. You don't think we've screwed things up enough already?
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Reply #8 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:02pm

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

So Obama has abandoned his "no new wars" position.

When the air strikes fail to turn the situation around, what then?

Is this the start of the slippery slope?

the world has gone mad...no talking anymore its bombs and more bombs...

Islam is the problem... sorry all those Jew haters out there who think every one is the problem except muslims...

seems to me everywhere you look where there is War there is Islam...

usually with the backing of Russia... who also wants to control the world..

maybe they will divide it up until one decides they want it all.. ... who knows.. all I hope is we the free world are strong enough to fight it...

although I have my doubts...

for everyone who says lets stand up to these barbarians..

we have another who says NO.. its none of our business or we should never have gone there in the first place...

if we turn a blind eye it will all go away..

we dont stick together do we?and yes the Russians and the Muslims know that.....and they use that.

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Reply #9 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

We broke it, we need to help fix it, we need to kill off ISIS, and if that meant troops, I think I would agree this time.

You don't think we've screwed things up enough already?

thats the trouble it isnt US that screwing it up....

we are happy to let them get on with their lives.. the trouble is they dont want too.. they allow the few to ruin everything...the insurgents are paid assassins.. how many religions so you know that encourage their followers to strap bombs to their chests and walk into a group and detonate it...regardless of who they are killing?????

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Air strikes on ISIS Reply #10 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:07pm cods wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:05pm: how many religions so you know that encourage their followers to strap bombs to their chests and walk into a group and detonate it...regardless of who they are killing????? none.
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Reply #11 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

We broke it, we need to help fix it, we need to kill off ISIS, and if that meant troops, I think I would agree this time.

You don't think we've screwed things up enough already?

I take your point with humility. Yes we have, but, should we let what is happening to continue? I think not. We owe something to the Iraqis for our screw-up, if that means just defending them from ISIS, I'm willing to bet it'll be better than not acting, and not just in Iraq in the long run.

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Reply #12 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

Setanta wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

We broke it, we need to help fix it, we need to kill off ISIS, and if that meant troops, I think I would agree this time.

You don't think we've screwed things up enough already?

Good point. What if we get rid of ISIS, and they are simply replaced by the extremist Muslims?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Air strikes on ISIS Reply #13 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:54pm Good point FD. Another thing you could say - although its undoubtedly the most heinous of spineless apologetics - is that neither ISIS or Al Qaeda had any presence in Iraq before the US invaded. In fact the worst terrorist in the region before the invasion was a decrepit old cancer-ridden atheist Palestinian gun-for-hire.
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Reply #14 - Aug 8^th, 2014 at 10:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 8^th, 2014 at 9:54pm:

Good point FD.

Another thing you could say - although its undoubtedly the most heinous of spineless apologetics - is that neither ISIS or Al Qaeda had any presence in Iraq before the US invaded.

In fact the worst terrorist in the region before the invasion was a decrepit old cancer-ridden atheist Palestinian gun-for-hire.

Sad, init? No, no sarcasm. I didn't support the birth of this.
What do you propose? We invented Al Qaeda, and it birthed ISIS, and now we have inflicted them upon the Iraqi people. We need some troops that don't run away at the implied threat they will be beheaded or shot or forcibly converted, that's not Iraqis at the moment... They are obviously not ready to defend Iraq. If French are cheese eating surrender monkeys(they're not), Iraqis are hummus eating surrender monkeys. They can't do the job.

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