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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Air strikes on ISIS Reply #30 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:12am No, I just want people to realise that air strikes won't deter ISIS. They might help the Kurds marginally, but nothing will save the Iraqis unless Iran gives substantial support.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49364 At my desk.	Re: Air strikes on ISIS Reply #31 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:08pm It's not the Kurds that are going to stop ISIS, but the rest of Iraq, mostly Shites. They aren't going to 'deter' them, they are going to kill them. Air strikes will come in very handy for this.
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Reply #32 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 1:33pm

bogarde73 wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 10:51am:

Massive air power couldn't win the Vietnam war, it couldn't win the Afghan war or clear up the Iraq mess, it couldn't even defeat the Nazis on its own.

What makes anybody think a few air strikes will deter an organisation like ISIS?

have you seen what the yanks are using today bogy??.. they are nothing like what they used in Viet or Afghan...get real..

you may have noticed America is now fighting American weapons...weird isnt it?? maybe its time the yanks stopped giving weapons to certain groups as this could make them targets for the terrorists... they want the weapons more than the people..

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Air strikes on ISIS Reply #33 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 1:37pm 500 lb laser guided bombs?? are they silent as well??.
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Reply #34 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:09pm

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 10:53am:

Would you prefer we abandon Iraq's new democracy to the Islamists? Maybe send in ground troops again?

The airstrikes are not aimed at protecting the so called democracy. Its to protect Erbil against feared attack - the kurds being the US's best ally in the region.

If its about protecting democracy, the US would do better to pressure Baghdad to institute a better and more inclusive democracy for all of Iraq. Then the sunnis might stop opening their doors to ISIS, and might actually have some incentive to fight against them.

Subjecting the sunnis to yet more aerial bombardment would likely just alienate them from Baghdad even more.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106377 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Air strikes on ISIS Reply #35 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:10pm freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:08pm: It's not the Kurds that are going to stop ISIS, but the rest of Iraq, mostly Shites. They aren't going to 'deter' them, they are going to kill them. Air strikes will come in very handy for this. I hope they kill every last one of them. ISIS is a cancer on the whole world.
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Reply #36 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:28pm

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If its about protecting democracy, the US would do better to pressure Baghdad to institute a better and more inclusive democracy for all of Iraq.

What do you think they have been doing?

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Then the sunnis might stop opening their doors to ISIS, and might actually have some incentive to fight against them.

The Sunnis are a minority. While they continue with the typical Islamic practice of seeing absolutely everything through the lens of religious conflict, they will remain a minority. There are very few places in the world where for a democracy to even function they need to institutionalise executive appointments on religious lines. There is a limit to how much you can accommodate a minority that demands they rule the place. The society they are creating to replace the democracy should give you a fairly good hint of how successful that can be. The Sunnis open their door to ISIS because they are ideologically opposed to democracy and want to replace it with a proper head hacking Islamic state. That's why so many Australian Muslims are over there fighting with them - not because of lack of inclusiveness in the Iraqi democracy.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Air strikes on ISIS Reply #37 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:35pm freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:28pm: The Sunnis open their door to ISIS because they are ideologically opposed to democracy and want to replace it with a proper head hacking Islamic state. Contemptible ignorant crap. Not even worth responding to.
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Reply #38 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:39pm

anyone that sides with a terrorist group is not interested in democracy...

terrorist are about oppression, its about control..do as I say or off with your head..

I dont call that democracy..
to lead by fear is wrong wrong wrong.. and anyone living in a country like Australia should be ashamed of even thinking ISIS is about democracy even on the smallest level..

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Air strikes on ISIS Reply #39 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:42pm cods wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:39pm: anyone that sides with a terrorist group is not interested in democracy... Like all those times the west sided with terrorists? What does that make us cods?
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Shakey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 905 Gender:	Re: Air strikes on ISIS Reply #40 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:44pm Just a question- anybody know if ISIS will be good for the people of the middle east? Will it be a positive experience if they do come to power?
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Reply #41 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:42pm:

cods wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:

anyone that sides with a terrorist group is not interested in democracy...

Like all those times the west sided with terrorists?

What does that make us cods?

when was that???...

I thought we fought the Taliban..or are they the good guys now?..

we have seen where we are called terrorists... because we go in with our faces covered and chop heads off...... on orders from the supreme commander...all in the name of god..

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Reply #42 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:51pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

The Sunnis open their door to ISIS because they are ideologically opposed to democracy and want to replace it with a proper head hacking Islamic state.

Contemptible ignorant crap.

Not even worth responding to.

Yet that is exactly what you did. Abu was a fan of ISIS. At the time I think he described pre-invasion Afghanistan as the last real Islamic state. ISIS would be his wet dream. People don't do this sort of thing because they are frustrated at being a minority group in a democracy. They do it because they genuinely want to establish a proper head hacking Islamic state.

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Reply #43 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:55pm

Shakey wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:44pm:

Just a question- anybody know if ISIS will be good for the people of the middle east? Will it be a positive experience if they do come to power?

you would have to ask them... did you see 4 corners last Monday....they clearly said they do not want ISIS they do not want to join.. the Islamic State in Syria... if they dont join they cut their heads off in public...

they live in terrible fear.. do you think that promotes wellbeing?..

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Reply #44 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:57pm

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 4:28pm:

The Sunnis open their door to ISIS because they are ideologically opposed to democracy and want to replace it with a proper head hacking Islamic state.

Contemptible ignorant crap.

Not even worth responding to.

Yet that is exactly what you did. Abu was a fan of ISIS. At the time I think he described pre-invasion Afghanistan as the last real Islamic state. ISIS would be his wet dream. People don't do this sort of thing because they are frustrated at being a minority group in a democracy. They do it because they genuinely want to establish a proper head hacking Islamic state.

everything they do is violent... and cruel.. how can that be democracy???...

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