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Reply #45 - Aug 9th, 2014 at 5:01pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:55pm:
Shakey wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:44pm:
Just a question- anybody know if ISIS will be good for the people of the middle east? Will it be a positive experience if they do come to power?
I watched it too cods. That poor bugger getting his throat cut in front of that chanting mob was shocking. ISIS offers nothing.


you would have to ask them... did you see 4 corners last Monday....they clearly said they do not want ISIS they do not want to join.. the Islamic State in Syria... if they dont join they cut their heads off in public...

they live in terrible  fear.. do you think that promotes wellbeing?..

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Reply #46 - Aug 9th, 2014 at 5:02pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:55pm:
Shakey wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:44pm:
Just a question- anybody know if ISIS will be good for the people of the middle east? Will it be a positive experience if they do come to power?
I watched it too cods. That poor bugger getting his throat cut in front of that chanting mob was shocking. ISIS offers nothing. Where are the street protests. Oh no I forgot, there's no jews involved.


you would have to ask them... did you see 4 corners last Monday....they clearly said they do not want ISIS they do not want to join.. the Islamic State in Syria... if they dont join they cut their heads off in public...

they live in terrible  fear.. do you think that promotes wellbeing?..

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Reply #47 - Aug 9th, 2014 at 5:43pm
 
cods wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:50pm:
when was that???...


Shall I rattle off a list of all the Latin American terrorists that the US supported against democratic governments - starting with the Contras?

And not just terrorists - but anti-democrats in general - such as apartheid South Africa and Suharto.
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Reply #48 - Aug 9th, 2014 at 5:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:51pm:
Abu was a fan of ISIS.


Oh really? I'd just love to see that quote FD - given that the group didn't exist until after Abu stopped posting here.

freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:51pm:
People don't do this sort of thing because they are frustrated at being a minority group in a democracy. They do it because they genuinely want to establish a proper head hacking Islamic state.


Rubbish. They fought against Al Qaeda, they will fight against ISIS if given the right incentive. What is so unique about the Iraqi sunnis that makes them want a "proper head hacking Islamic state" that neither the shiites or the kurds (also sunnis) don't want? The only thing unique about the arab sunnis in Iraq is that they have lost the most by the increasing authoritarianism of the Maliki regime.
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Reply #49 - Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:01pm
 
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Oh really? I'd just love to see that quote FD - given that the group didn't exist until after Abu stopped posting here.


He wanted Islamic states everywhere. ISIS is pretty much what he described as an ideal Islamic state.

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Rubbish. They fought against Al Qaeda, they will fight against ISIS if given the right incentive.


Right. The people supporting ISIS want a proper head hacking Islamic state. The people fighting against them either don't want it, or want a different flavour of proper head hacking Islamic state.

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What is so unique about the Iraqi sunnis that makes them want a "proper head hacking Islamic state"


Not unique. They are popular in Syria as well, and like I already said, they would be Abu's wet dream. There are a lot of Australians over there fighting for them, so there is obviously some kind of broad appeal there.

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that neither the shiites or the kurds (also sunnis) don't want?


Are you saying that Shites and Kurds are Sunnis?
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Reply #50 - Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:20pm
 
FD,
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Right. The people supporting ISIS want a proper head hacking Islamic state. The people fighting against them either don't want it, or want a different flavour of proper head hacking Islamic state.


Yes - just as in the head hacking video that Gandalf deleted.
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Reply #51 - Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:42pm
 
Gandalf appears to be arguing that these people merely want a "more inclusive" democracy where minorities get to run the show, and it is the 'failure' of Iraqi democracy to appease them that made them turn to head hacking. Perhaps that is how Muslims traditionally vote.
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Reply #52 - Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:01pm:
He wanted Islamic states everywhere. ISIS is pretty much what he described as an ideal Islamic state.


Ok good - so you were speaking out of your arse about what Abu said - again. Just wanted to confirm.
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Reply #53 - Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:45pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:01pm:
Are you saying that ... Kurds are Sunnis?


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Reply #54 - Aug 9th, 2014 at 7:00pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:44pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 6:01pm:
He wanted Islamic states everywhere. ISIS is pretty much what he described as an ideal Islamic state.


Ok good - so you were speaking out of your arse about what Abu said - again. Just wanted to confirm.



I am surprised that Abu is not over there already -

he wanted an Islamic state in Australia with full Sharia law.
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Reply #55 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 7:14pm
 
It's odd that this article doesn't consider the option of US airstrikes cooperating with the existing Iraqi army.

Iraq militants changing tactics, complicating US airstrike mission

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/12/iraq-militants-changing-tactics-complicating-us-airstrike-mission/

Islamic militant forces in northern Iraq appear to be shifting tactics in the face of the newly launched U.S. airstrike campaign, Defense officials say, posing a new challenge to the Obama administration as it seeks to at least slow the terrorists’ advances.

According to officials, until now the Islamic State (IS) was behaving like a well-organized army, moving with strategic intent and pursuing military objectives. Now, officials are seeing at least a partial shift to classic insurgency tactics, as militants begin to blend in among the population, making targeting more difficult.

“One of the things that we have seen with the [IS] forces is that where they have been in the open, they are now starting to dissipate and to hide amongst the people,” Lt. Gen. William Mayville Jr., director for operations with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said. “The targeting in this is going to become more difficult.”

The comments, on one hand, demonstrate how effective airstrikes can be. One of the reasons the militants marched so quickly across Iraq is that the Iraqi Air Force didn't really exist.

On the other hand, in order for the airstrikes to be effective at this stage, U.S. ground forces would be needed to permanently push the group formerly known as ISIS back -- something that has been ruled out by Obama administration officials.

Mayville, as well as President Obama, described the operation Monday as limited in scope.

Mayville, while saying the strikes have “slowed” the group’s “operational tempo and temporarily disrupted their advances towards the province of Irbil,” also appeared to voice skepticism about how much impact they could have.

“The strikes are unlikely to affect [IS’] overall capabilities or its operations in other areas of Iraq and Syria,” he said. Mayville described the impact as “very temporary,” and predicted the forces would “look for other things to do, to pick up and move elsewhere.”

He added, ominously, “So I in no way want to suggest that we have effectively contained or that we are somehow breaking the momentum of the threat.”

Defense sources told Fox News there is tension between the Pentagon and White House and State Department because, once again, the military is being asked to fix a problem after diplomacy failed – yet they are being given a very limited mission.

"There will be no reintroduction of American combat forces into Iraq,” Secretary of State John Kerry said.

On Tuesday, Kerry was also asked about a photo of an Australian boy in Syria that is getting widespread attention – it shows the 7-year-old, brought to Syria by his father to fight, holding the severed head of a Syrian soldier.  The photo elicited a strong response from the secretary of State.

“One of the most disturbing, stomach-turning, grotesque photographs ever displayed -- of a 7-year-old child holding a severed head up with pride and with the support and encouragement of a parent,” Kerry said.

Obama hinted Monday, with regard to Iraq, that there could be more military cooperation if the government follows through on the president’s decision to bypass incumbent Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and name a new prime minister-designate.

Obama called this a "promising step forward," and hinted that if they "build off today's progress," U.S. efforts to join Iraqi forces in fighting IS will be "advanced.”

Yet a political settlement may only go so far in stopping the Islamic State’s advances, as the Sunni organization is not openly seeking a power-sharing agreement with the Shias and Kurds.

On Tuesday, Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., renewed their call for the Obama administration to plot a new approach.

“We should continue to do all we can to support Iraq's political process, but the Administration cannot afford to wait until a political solution is reached in Baghdad before addressing the global threat posed by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS),” they said in a statement, calling for U.S. airstrikes against militant positions in Iraq and next-door Syria.

“Contrary to the administration's rhetoric, commencing actions such as these now can strengthen political leaders in Baghdad who seek to form an inclusive government that can unify their country and better resist ISIS,” they said. “A comprehensive strategy to counter ISIS must be devised and we must begin to implement it now, for the threat posed by ISIS only grows with each passing day, as do the risks of our delay.”

Jennifer Griffin currently serves as a national security correspondent for FOX News Channel . She joined FNC in October 1999 as a Jerusalem-based correspondent.
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Reply #56 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 12:03am
 
cods wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:57pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:51pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:35pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 9th, 2014 at 4:28pm:
The Sunnis open their door to ISIS because they are ideologically opposed to democracy and want to replace it with a proper head hacking Islamic state.


Contemptible ignorant crap.

Not even worth responding to.


Yet that is exactly what you did. Abu was a fan of ISIS. At the time I think he described pre-invasion Afghanistan as the last real Islamic state. ISIS would be his wet dream. People don't do this sort of thing because they are frustrated at being a minority group in a democracy. They do it because they genuinely want to establish a proper head hacking Islamic state.




everything they do is violent... and cruel.. how can that be democracy???...


Here’s one for you, FD.
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Reply #57 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 8:54pm
 
Is that the comment gandalf et al are using to insist I am claiming Abu was here after ISIS burst onto the scene?
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Reply #58 - Aug 15th, 2014 at 12:13am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 8:54pm:
Is that the comment gandalf et al are using to insist I am claiming Abu was here after ISIS burst onto the scene?


No, that’s a question about Iraqi demokracy. Would you like to enlighten poor Cods on the wonderful future of Iraq, post-Freeedom?
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Reply #59 - Aug 15th, 2014 at 6:23am
 


Exposed! Dutch Justice Ministry Employee Says ISIS A 'Zionist' Creation!

Published on Aug 14, 2014
http://www.undergroundworldnews.com
THE HAGUE, Netherlands (JTA) — A senior employee of the Dutch Justice Ministry said the jihadist group ISIS was created by Zionists seeking to give Islam a bad reputation.

Yasmina Haifi, a project leader at the ministry’s National Cyber Security Center, made the assertion Wednesday on Twitter, the De Telegraaf daily reported.

“ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It’s part of a plan by Zionists who are deliberately trying to blacken Islam’s name,” wrote Haifi, who described herself on the social network LinkedIn as an activist for the Dutch Labor Party, or PvdA.

Haifi later removed her original message, explaining, “I realize the political sensitivity in connection with my work. That was not my intention.”

http://www.jta.org/2014/08/13/news-opinion/world/dutch-justice-ministry-employee...

Dutch Justice Ministry employee: ISIS a Zionist conspiracy
August 13, 2014 6:31am


THE HAGUE, Netherlands (JTA) — A senior employee of the Dutch Justice Ministry said the jihadist group ISIS was created by Zionists seeking to give Islam a bad reputation.
Yasmina Haifi, a project leader at the ministry’s National Cyber Security Center, made the assertion Wednesday on Twitter, the De Telegraaf daily reported.
“ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It’s part of a plan by Zionists who are deliberately trying to blacken Islam’s name,” wrote Haifi, who described herself on the social network LinkedIn as an activist for the Dutch Labor Party, or PvdA.
Haifi later removed her original message, explaining, “I realize the political sensitivity in connection with my work. That was not my intention.”
Two right-wing lawmakers, Joram van Klaveren and Louis Bontes of the VNL faction, asked the ministry how one with such views reached a prominent position in the ministry and if Haifi’s employment constituted a security risk.
A series of rallies supporting ISIS, which is considered a terrorist organization in many Western countries, were held in the Hague in July and earlier this month. Some demonstrators called for violence. The demonstrations on July 2 and 24 featured calls to kill Jews.
When anti-ISIS demonstrators tried to march through the heavily Muslim neighborhood of Schilderswijk on Aug. 10 to express their disapproval, a crowd of approximately 200 men barricaded the main street and staged an illegal counterdemonstration in support of ISIS.
Some of the protesters hurled stones at police who tried to remove the obstacles. Six people were arrested.


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