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Reply #90 - Aug 15th, 2014 at 12:56pm
 
gone wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 12:04pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 6:42pm:

Would you go so far as to say they even forbid it?


No, I wouldn't. We know they abuse children behind closed doors. Priests, bishops, cardinals etc.


Do they have those in Islam?

Good heavens, it’s worse than I thought.

That should bump up the Muslim paedophile statistics don’t you think, FD?
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Reply #91 - Aug 18th, 2014 at 10:24pm
 
Adamant wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 3:44pm:
ISIS is taking islam back to its ROOTS. Grin

At the same killing, because its against the quran to rape a married women.

"ISIL has killed 500 Yazidis and abducted 500 women as slave concubines in Sinjar, Iraqi MP Fayyan Dahel told a press conference Tuesday in the parliament in Baghdad"

They are kufr after all, what should they expect from the racist most bigoted people on earth? 

"Sinjar is the traditional home of the Yazidi, an eclectic religious sect fusing Zoroastrian, Manichaean, Jewish, Nestorian Christian and Islamic elements. It is regarded as heretical by orthodox Islamic scholars"

"orthodox Islamic scholars" that explains it all!

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/169933/hundreds-of-yazidis-killed-by-isil-says...



False images used to ‘prove’ slavery, genital mutilation under ISIS


...dozens of photos circulating on social media networks and the media claiming to show the barbaric acts of the Islamist group are, in fact, fake.

While ISIS has claimed responsibility for multiple acts of horrific violence, many of the shocking images published online and attributed to the jihadist group have actually been taken out of context and falsely labelled...

...Photos of women allegedly sold as slaves

Citing an Iraqi parliamentarian, several websites claimed that hundreds of women from the Yazidi community had been sold as slaves after the capture of Sinjar at the beginning of August. One photo showing women chained and veiled spread on social networks and was taken as proof of the claim. It turns out that this image was taken during a Shiite procession in the town of Nabatieh, in southern Lebanon, in 2013.

Several media outlets broadcast a video of a group marriage in July in Mosul, Iraq. These women were allegedly forced to marry jihadists.

In reality, the video shows the marriage ceremony of an Islamist fighter in Syria. In the video, the master of ceremonies says [at 0:20] “I congratulate our brother and friend the groom…” showing that the marriage is for one man only. The original video was published in June 2013, well before the arrival of ISIS in Iraq.

A ‘fatwa’ on genital mutilation

At the end of July, a representative of the United Nations in Iraq claimed that ISIS had ordered the genital mutilation of all the women and young girls living in the Mosul region. The claim was founded on the basis of a ‘fake fatwa’ that had been circulating online for several months and which references the cities of Aleppo and Azaz in Syria.

Other extravagant claims have been circulating online: ISIS has reportedly, for example, ordered farmers to hide cows’ udders because they’re deemed ‘indecent’. The news hasn’t been confirmed, and so far no image of hidden udders has been published...

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http://observers.france24.com/content/20140812-slavery-genital-mutilation-collec...


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Reply #92 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 9:54am
 
So, whats with the chains?  A bondage convention?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #93 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 12:36pm
 
AL, are you denying that they are engaging in slavery and mistreatment of women, or just complaining about photos going round on facebook that depict the wrong acts of horrific violence?
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Reply #94 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 12:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 12:36pm:
AL, are you denying that they are engaging in slavery and mistreatment of women, or just complaining about photos going round on facebook that depict the wrong acts of horrific violence?


Can't see much violence in the hostage convention photo, FD.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
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Reply #95 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 1:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 12:36pm:
AL, are you denying that they are engaging in slavery and mistreatment of women, or just complaining about photos going round on facebook that depict the wrong acts of horrific violence?


So FD you don't have a problem with fake photos and fatwas going around to smear islam....

....because islam smears itself anyway?

The obvious question then, why the need for all these fake photos and fatwas?
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #96 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 3:06pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 10:22pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 9:41pm:
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witness testimony in legal matters


Does that include the relative value of testimony from women and non-Muslims?

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eg laws around marriage


Is there anything about sex with female slaves in the Koran, or anything that forbids it?



We are talking about the ahadith, and I'd like to keep it to that please.


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The messenger of allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse,but Aisha and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him-
Then allah revealed-
O prophet why did you forbid that which allah has allowed to you.
sunnah.com/nasai/36/21


Is this the verse allah revealed when Mo was busted rooting his Coptic christian sex slave?
quran.com/66/1

The hadith lets us know the context of that Quran verse,Mo was busted rooting his coptic christian sex slave, his wives objected to him rooting his sex slaves and desired for it to be forbidden, then just in the nick of time Allah was there to reveal a verse allowing Mo to root his sex slave.

Sex slaves are halal for muslim men,if a muslim man takes a female for a sex slave he is just following the example of profit mo.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Re: Muslims must reassess the role of ahadith
Reply #97 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 3:20pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 3:06pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 10:22pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 9:41pm:
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witness testimony in legal matters


Does that include the relative value of testimony from women and non-Muslims?

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eg laws around marriage


Is there anything about sex with female slaves in the Koran, or anything that forbids it?



We are talking about the ahadith, and I'd like to keep it to that please.


Ok-
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The messenger of allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse,but Aisha and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him-
Then allah revealed-
O prophet why did you forbid that which allah has allowed to you.
sunnah.com/nasai/36/21


Is this the verse allah revealed when Mo was busted rooting his Coptic christian sex slave?
quran.com/66/1

The hadith lets us know the context of that Quran verse,Mo was busted rooting his coptic christian sex slave, his wives objected to him rooting his sex slaves and desired for it to be forbidden, then just in the nick of time Allah was there to reveal a verse allowing Mo to root his sex slave.

Sex slaves are halal for muslim men,if a muslim man takes a female for a sex slave he is just following the example of profit mo.



Baron must be a kind of genie, G. From here on, it's a thread on sex slaves.

Yes, Master. Your wish is my command.
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Reply #98 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 3:50pm
 
The last 2 Posts were moved here from Islam by gandalf.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #99 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 6:33pm
 
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So FD you don't have a problem with fake photos and fatwas going around to smear islam....


This is ISIS remember. I'm sure even you would agree they are pretty much the bottom of the barrel. If an article is a rebuttal of photos being passed around on facebook, it sounds like a strawman to me, in an attempt to draw sympathy for head hacking Muslim extremists. And no, it does not bother me at all what gets spread around on facebook.

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The obvious question then, why the need for all these fake photos and fatwas?


There is no need for them, that is why there was no evidence at all of the original "problem". For all we know it could have only reached 100 people wordlwide, and was presented as a joke. It is simply another example showing that no matter how depraved the acts of Islamic extremists, Muslims will still attempt to paint them as some kind of victim.

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Reply #100 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 6:44pm
 
It isn't just facebook - its reached MSM.

How is exposing fakes a strawman?

Basically what I said - that any smear on ISIS whether fact or fiction - is ok because ISIS smears itself - you agree with right?

freediver wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 6:33pm:
an attempt to draw sympathy for head hacking Muslim extremists.


Or, exposing blatant lies designed to smear ordinary muslims.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #101 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 7:08pm
 
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It isn't just facebook - its reached MSM.


That old messenger service? Isn't that like saying it has reached email?

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How is exposing fakes a strawman?


When you really have to go looking for them.

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Basically what I said - that any smear on ISIS whether fact or fiction - is ok because ISIS smears itself - you agree with right?


I prefer to criticise them for what they actually do. Getting it wrong just fuels the Islamic victimhood machine. Hence the wiki.

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Basically what I said - that any smear on ISIS whether fact or fiction - is ok because ISIS smears itself - you agree with right?


ISIS are ordinary Muslims? That's not how it normally plays out Gandalf. You are the ordinary one. ISIS are the rare extremity that doesn't really exist.
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Reply #102 - Aug 21st, 2014 at 2:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 7:08pm:
That old messenger service? Isn't that like saying it has reached email?


MSM - mainstream media, not MSN

freediver wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 7:08pm:
When you really have to go looking for them.


No one "really had to go looking" for the FGM story - it was all over the news. Perhaps you missed it.

freediver wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 7:08pm:
I prefer to criticise them for what they actually do. Getting it wrong just fuels the Islamic victimhood machine. Hence the wiki.


Precisely why you should be condemning those fakes - not spinelessly apologising for them.

freediver wrote on Aug 19th, 2014 at 7:08pm:
ISIS are ordinary Muslims? That's not how it normally plays out Gandalf.


Try again FD, and this time see if you can answer a question without raising another question:

any smear on ISIS whether fact or fiction - is ok because ISIS smears itself - you agree with right?
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Reply #103 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 10:08pm
 
What exactly was published in the mainstream media?

How is criticising ISIS an attempt to smear ordinary Muslims?

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any smear on ISIS whether fact or fiction - is ok because ISIS smears itself - you agree with right?


I just finished explaining why I disagree.
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Reply #104 - Aug 22nd, 2014 at 10:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2014 at 10:08pm:
What exactly was published in the mainstream media?


The fake FGM story

freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2014 at 10:08pm:
How is criticising ISIS an attempt to smear ordinary Muslims?


Now FD, where did I say that?
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