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Reply #30 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:39am

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

The cheapest easiest way to protect our country would be to,

Ban Islamic migration

Offer no centrelink or government benefits to Muslim people deport muslims who commit crime

enforce a no child policy so they can not breed

offer voluntary removal back to country of origin

If that is racist and discriminatory well bad luck, what is more palatable allowing them to come and breed and tear our country to shreds and create their own mess just look at most Islamic countries we will become the same in time, or be labelled racist and have our society as we know it to continue?

What would you prefer?

And you question your on radicalism?

You don't sort one form of radicalism with another.

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Reply #31 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:46am

____ wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

The cheapest easiest way to protect our country would be to,

Ban Islamic migration

Offer no centrelink or government benefits to Muslim people deport muslims who commit crime

enforce a no child policy so they can not breed

offer voluntary removal back to country of origin

If that is racist and discriminatory well bad luck, what is more palatable allowing them to come and breed and tear our country to shreds and create their own mess just look at most Islamic countries we will become the same in time, or be labelled racist and have our society as we know it to continue?

What would you prefer?

And you question your on radicalism?

You don't sort one form of radicalism with another.

Of course theres no thought given to the sanctions that would hit Australia if we were to regress back to racist based policies.
Ban all Muslim migration based simply on racist and bigoted stereotypes and Australia would end up with an economy that would make Somalia look like California

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 84981 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax Reply #32 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:51am woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:02am: He is pushing for an Islamic state inside Australia? Yet doesn't think Israel should be on Muslim land, but has no problem creating muslim state on western land?? Hypocrite much? .. or are Muslims on Israeli land?
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Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax
Reply #33 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:54am

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

The cheapest easiest way to protect our country would be to,

Ban Islamic migration

Offer no centrelink or government benefits to Muslim people deport muslims who commit crime

enforce a no child policy so they can not breed

offer voluntary removal back to country of origin

If that is racist and discriminatory well bad luck, what is more palatable allowing them to come and breed and tear our country to shreds and create their own mess just look at most Islamic countries we will become the same in time, or be labelled racist and have our society as we know it to continue?

What would you prefer?

.. wait.. WAIT. You missed out on Die Konzentratsionlager.... the Greater Gulag Complex run by SERCO...

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Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax
Reply #34 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:54am

and therin lies the crux of our societies problem, the mighty dollar.

I have laughed at ppl who have sold their properties to foreigners for top dollar then they turn around and say they are taking over.

Our society is doomed purely because everyone will sell the country out to the highest bidder.

We could become self sufficient as we were 20 years ago, we don't need to import food hell we don't need to import anything, we could recreate our entire manufacturing industry.

Name me something we would need to import that we could not make ourselves

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Reply #35 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:01pm

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:54am:

and therin lies the crux of our societies problem, the mighty dollar.

I have laughed at ppl who have sold their properties to foreigners for top dollar then they turn around and say they are taking over.

Our society is doomed purely because everyone will sell the country out to the highest bidder.

We could become self sufficient as we were 20 years ago, we don't need to import food hell we don't need to import anything, we could recreate our entire manufacturing industry.

Name me something we would need to import that we could not make ourselves

It is the dollar that is behind the war mongering.

War mongering decreases human rights and so empowers multinationals.
War mongering entrenches more power to the military and less with the people.

There are other ways to countering fundamental muslims and it is the similar way to how fundamental christianity was defeated.

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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax Reply #36 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:06pm It seems the only two options available to many in this discussion are either all out war or appeasement. Ironically, the solution may be somewhere in the middle, but that is never going to suit the radicals of any group.
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Reply #37 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:07pm

Greens - what other ways do we counter radical Islam like ISIS or whatever they choose to be today? Sanctions?

(down at the old mosque)...

"Allaaah-u Akba! The Infidel have placed sanction on our fuel and food and milk for baby!"

The assembled crowd fire their AKs into the roof, bringing it down... chanting "Fight for Allah, never yield", etc

"I thought I said no smoking guns in mosque!"

Yeah - sanctions would really work, huh? They just rob and kill now.

What else? International condemnation - you gonna oppose 'em with harsh language?

I'd say the targets are pretty clear cut.. let 'em have it both barrels.

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Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax
Reply #38 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:08pm

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

It seems the only two options available to many in this discussion are either all out war or appeasement.

Ironically, the solution may be somewhere in the middle, but that is never going to suit the radicals of any group.

.. and the middle is.. where? Sitting down over a cup of tea and discussing things?

That'll work.

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Reply #39 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:08pm

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

It seems the only two options available to many in this discussion are either all out war or appeasement.

Ironically, the solution may be somewhere in the middle, but that is never going to suit the radicals of any group.

I have no recollection of anyone calling for appeasement on the thread so far. If I am incorrect, can you point it out.

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Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax
Reply #41 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:13pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

Greens - what other ways do we counter radical Islam like ISIS or whatever they choose to be today? Sanctions?

(down at the old mosque)...

"Allaaah-u Akba! The Infidel have placed sanction on our fuel and food and milk for baby!"

The assembled crowd fire their AKs into the roof, bringing it down... chanting "Fight for Allah, never yield", etc

"I thought I said no smoking guns in mosque!"

Yeah - sanctions would really work, huh? They just rob and kill now.

What else? International condemnation - you gonna oppose 'em with harsh language?

I'd say the targets are pretty clear cut.. let 'em have it both barrels.

A united front could be a starting position.

Australia has a temporary seat on the UN security council. We got there in part by attaining muslim country votes. Abbott could keep Australia's promises to these countries made for their votes so to build a closer relationship with the moderate muslims of the world.

Just a possible starting point.

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Reply #42 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:14pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

It seems the only two options available to many in this discussion are either all out war or appeasement.

Ironically, the solution may be somewhere in the middle, but that is never going to suit the radicals of any group.

.. and the middle is.. where? Sitting down over a cup of tea and discussing things?

That'll work.

Well to be fair, a cup of tea might not be culturally appropriate across the board...

I see though that you are correct of course, there is no actual solution... I guess we are doomed.

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Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax
Reply #43 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:15pm

____ wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

am I radical?? that's debateable

have I walked down the street saying behead muslims, nah

Have I stoned to death a female, Nah

Have I married a 9yo girl, nah

have I had woman and girls circumcised, Nah

Do I believe Islam belongs here, Nah

Would I take up arms if need be to defend this country?? dam oath I would and I would have no problem pulling the trigger.

Now if we went to war with muslims, would the muslims who are here fight for us or against us??? Where does their allegiance lie?

Why would be be drawn into religious war
Is Indonesia planning for an invasion of Australia?

We would be drawn into it because we wouldn't want to wait until it is too late, and because we don't want to stand by and watch another holocaust unfold in the interests of political correctness.

How many non-Sunnis would you tolerate ISIS killing and uprooting before you wanted to intervene? Where do you think ISIS would stop?

adelcrow wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:12am:

woof woof wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 11:08am:

am I radical?? that's debateable

have I walked down the street saying behead muslims, nah

Have I stoned to death a female, Nah

Have I married a 9yo girl, nah

have I had woman and girls circumcised, Nah

Do I believe Islam belongs here, Nah

Would I take up arms if need be to defend this country?? dam oath I would and I would have no problem pulling the trigger.

Now if we went to war with muslims, would the muslims who are here fight for us or against us??? Where does their allegiance lie?

The vast majority of Muslims dont behave that way either..

Plenty want to, and it is the people with the spine to stand up to them who are preventing them from doing so.

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I would like to discuss the alternatives to Abbott's War Tax

How about reality? That is always a good alternative to your little fantasies.

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The vast majority of Muslims in the countries you mention are the victims of terrorism and the insurgents.

Of course, Muslims are always the victims, even when they are hacking people's heads off.

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A small number of radicalised Muslims are terrorising the majority of moderate Muslims.

Crap. On what basis do you speak for Muslims?

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Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax
Reply #44 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:21pm

____ wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

It seems the only two options available to many in this discussion are either all out war or appeasement.

Ironically, the solution may be somewhere in the middle, but that is never going to suit the radicals of any group.

I have no recollection of anyone calling for appeasement on the thread so far. If I am incorrect, can you point it out.

Yeah I am sure you are correct, as far as this thread goes. I suppose I should have followed forum form and started a whole new thread to make my point.

I invite you to think outside of the square for just a moment. Consider the number of times the "left" have been accused (for example) of appeasement. Arguably some of those times have been correct, however, not all.

As such, this is just another thread discussing how people with differing beliefs may address their differences. Consequently I made the observation that, based on belief, culture, ideology and wealth (monetary), it seems that the most radical of the opposing camps view that there are only two choices. I would suggest that this is a polarising effect that only radicals will buy into.

In short, not all Muslims are or have a desire to be terrorist. Likewise, not all terrorists (demonstrably) are Muslims or have carried out acts of terrorism in the name of Allah per se.

It has been said over and over again, there are no winners. Yet still there is this ongoing argument that offers nothing but a win lose position. Clearly, that equates to being a lose lose in reality, yet neither side seems to grasp this. To my mind that is because, they have allowed their beliefs to trump all else.

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