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Reply #60 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 6:15pm

Soren wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan, syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia? How do you identify the 'tiny minority' before the violence and intimidation start? Or are you suspicious of every muslim you do not personally know?

I'm not sure what your point is S, but someone might naively assume that its to say that muslims should be collectively demonised by default - just to be safe.

Personally, I happen to believe in a quaint little idea that you are innocent until proven guilty.

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 5:05pm:

Of course. Muslims are victims, by definition.

They are not - but it blows a hole in this idea that muslims are all collectively guilty of terrorism or supporting terrorism - because of the idea that they have some sinister vested interests in doing so. The reality is that there are a hell of a lot more muslims fighting and dying in the fight against terrorism than there are non-muslims.

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Reply #61 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 6:36pm

Soren wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

Gandy, how do you tell the good muslims from the bad ones before violence starts?
Any clues?

But what is a "good" muslim Soren? Isn't it a contradiction in terms?

You and others have made it pretty clear for a long time that you don't consider any muslim "good". You lot have made it perfectly clear that being muslim is entirely incompatible with being "good" - though I will concede that from time to time you do come across as one of the more reasonable people on this side.

So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan, syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia?

Good point, old boy. We used to detain you Huns every time you declared war on Mother. Now that we’ve declared war on terrorism, we detain terrorists too.

Next time Pakistan, Syria, Gaza, Labia, etc, declares war on us, I say we detain them too.

It is a jolly world, no?

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Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax
Reply #62 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 6:42pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan, syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia? How do you identify the 'tiny minority' before the violence and intimidation start? Or are you suspicious of every muslim you do not personally know?

I'm not sure what your point is S, but someone might naively assume that its to say that muslims should be collectively demonised by default - just to be safe.

Personally, I happen to believe in a quaint little idea that you are innocent until proven guilty.

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 5:05pm:

Of course. Muslims are victims, by definition.

They are not - but it blows a hole in this idea that muslims are all collectively guilty of terrorism or supporting terrorism - because of the idea that they have some sinister vested interests in doing so. The reality is that there are a hell of a lot more muslims fighting and dying in the fight against terrorism than there are non-muslims.

Unfortunately with Muslim terrorists once they are proven guilty hundreds may already be dead.
In this case an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

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Reply #64 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 12:15pm:

Of course, Muslims are always the victims, even when they are hacking people's heads off.

Its a simple statement of fact FD.

- estimated 49 thousand muslims killed by terrorists in Pakistan - including those who were fighting them:
http://tribune.com.pk/story/527016/pakistani-victims-war-on-terror-toll-put-at-4...

- well over 100 thousand muslims killed by terrorists in Iraq since 2008:
http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2011/195555.htm

Muslims

suffer far more than anyone else as a result of

islamic

terrorism. Simple statement of fact.

Why is it that thinking people seem unable to join the dots ?

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

ISLAM is a murderous death cult.

Yadda said....
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Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

EVERY moslem, is a follower - of ISLAM.

EVERY moslem, is a member of the moslem community.

And whether the moslem refers to himself as being a member of,
Hamas,
or the Taliban,
or Al-Qaeda,
or Boko Haram,
or ISIS,
or Al Shabaab,
or [in Australia] Brothers for Life,

OR SIMPLY, AS BEING A, MOSLEM;

....the moslem is a member of 'a group of people' who choose to follow a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to seek to subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of 'disbelieving' mankind.

Moslems CHOOSE to be moslems, coz they are moslems.

Coz ....the moslem heart - SEE'S NOTHING WRONG - with being a member of 'a group of people' who choose to follow a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches them [moslems], that it is lawful for them [moslems] to seek to subjugate [i.e. enslave] or murder all of 'disbelieving' mankind.

All moslems, are - wannabe - murderers.

ISLAM teaches the moslem, that murder is 'lawful'.

That is what ISLAM teaches, to every moslem.

"...Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

".......And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76

And that [the right to 'lawfully' murder], is what moslems choose, as being acceptable.....

Mild mannered - Mohammed Morsi -
Ex-President of Egypt

Watch the words coming out of his lips.....

"The Koran is our constitution"
"The Prophet Muhammad is our leader"
"Jihad is our path"
"AND DEATH FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH IS OUR MOST LOFTY ASPIRATION!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg

ISLAM sanctions [makes LAWFUL] murder.

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."

ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb

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QUESTION #1;
Why is it, that ISLAM is not declared to be a proscribed [banned] organisation, in Australia ?

QUESTION #2;
Why is it that thinking people seem unable to join the dots ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax
Reply #65 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:54pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

Gandy, how do you tell the good muslims from the bad ones before violence starts?
Any clues?

But what is a "good" muslim Soren? Isn't it a contradiction in terms?

Perhaps you are a good moslem, gandalf ?

You always preach the 'inner' virtue of ISLAM.

So when are you leaving Australia gandalf,

to begin the task to proselytise your brothers [overseas], to the true and good ISLAM ?

It is a worthy task for you, a the virtuous moslem.

Cool

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96227 Gender:	Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax Reply #66 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:44pm Good point, Y. Muslims choose to be Muslims because they are Muslims. I’d never quite thought of it like that.
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Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax
Reply #67 - Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:53pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

So when are you leaving Australia gandalf,
to begin the task to proselytise your brothers [overseas], to the true and good ISLAM ?

It is a worthy task for you, a the virtuous moslem.

Call me spineless, but I prefer my head attached to my shoulders.

In any case, I'm pretty sure anyone anywhere in the world can access my online opinions - including on this very forum.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax
Reply #68 - Aug 10^th, 2014 at 8:33am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan, syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia? How do you identify the 'tiny minority' before the violence and intimidation start? Or are you suspicious of every muslim you do not personally know?

I'm not sure what your point is S, but someone might naively assume that its to say that muslims should be collectively demonised by default - just to be safe.

My question is - how do you tell the difference between safe, law-abiding, 'vast majority' Muslims and dangerous, Islamist 'tiny minority'? Is there a look, manner, speech, anything? Or is it impossible to tell until after one bloodies the other?

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Reply #69 - Aug 10^th, 2014 at 11:10am

Soren wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 8:33am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 6:15pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 3:01pm:

So how do you tell the good ones from th bad ones in pakistan, syria, gaza, egypt, labia, australia? How do you identify the 'tiny minority' before the violence and intimidation start? Or are you suspicious of every muslim you do not personally know?

I'm not sure what your point is S, but someone might naively assume that its to say that muslims should be collectively demonised by default - just to be safe.

My question is - how do you tell the difference between safe, law-abiding, 'vast majority' Muslims and dangerous, Islamist 'tiny minority'? Is there a look, manner, speech, anything? Or is it impossible to tell until after one bloodies the other?

That’s right, old boy. You Krauts had your little black uniforms with the shiny boots and billy clubs.

Your Muselman walks around in his tracksuit just like any other undesirable.

How do you tell?

The difference is, I think, that we let you Krauts take over Europe. With the Muselman, we have him under high surveillance, 24-7.

Your lot took over Europe. This lot will be lucky to get a library card at Herbie’s local library.

The price of liberty, you see, is eternal vigilance.

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Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax
Reply #70 - Aug 10^th, 2014 at 11:43am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

So when are you leaving Australia gandalf,
to begin the task to proselytise your brothers [overseas], to the true and good ISLAM ?

It is a worthy task for you, a the virtuous moslem.

Call me spineless, but I prefer my head attached to my shoulders.

In any case, I'm pretty sure anyone anywhere in the world can access my online opinions - including on this very forum.

Yes if you went to Iraq they might find that
you're the wrong faith of Muslim & your head would be hacked off.

You've seen the videos - you know what they do.

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Reply #71 - Aug 10^th, 2014 at 3:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

Yadda wrote on Aug 9^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

So when are you leaving Australia gandalf,
to begin the task to proselytise your brothers [overseas], to the true and good ISLAM ?

It is a worthy task for you, a the virtuous moslem.

Call me spineless, but I prefer my head attached to my shoulders.

In any case, I'm pretty sure anyone anywhere in the world can access my online opinions - including on this very forum.

I wouldn't call you spineless, gandalf.

I'd call you sensible.

But you really should consider, making the bigger sacrifice, for what is good, and best for ISLAM, gandalf.

e.g.
Your co-religionists really, really, need your calming influence, gandalf.

Sunni, Shia scholars resort to calling each other 'dogs', and one of them thinks that the ISIS leader, is set to 'inherit' religious authority in Saudi Arabia!!!!.......but nobody likes Hamas. Sad

Dog! Traitor! - Islamists' Debate on ISIS and Hamas Turns into Exchange of Insults

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYvBpU_UwzI

Where are they going wrong, gandalf ???

Are you sure that you really couldn't 'help out', couldn't you even do it from a remote studio, so as to be sure that you can 'maintain' your bodily proportions ??? Wink

Because it is clear that your co-religionists really, really, need your wise counsel, as one of the very few, rightly guided moslems, gandalf!!!!

Grin

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96227 Gender:	Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax Reply #72 - Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:00pm How come we have to go to hell, but Y gets to travel around the world giving wise counsel to Moslems? Tell me that, Y.
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Abbott's Muslim 100 Yr War Tax Reply #73 - Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:11pm Im rather confused because I spent a pleasant afternoon at Adelaides Eid festival last Sunday and not once did any of the thousands of Muslims there offer to lop my head off, blow me up or even abuse me for being a non believing atheist.
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Reply #74 - Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:28pm

adelcrow wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 5:11pm:

Im rather confused because I spent a pleasant afternoon at Adelaides Eid festival last Sunday and not once did any of the thousands of Muslims there offer to lop my head off, blow me up or even abuse me for being a non believing atheist.

Its called Taqqiya AC - Yadda or freediver will explain it all to you.

Basically its a cunning ruse to suck you all in and then suddenly impose the caliphate when your guard is down.

....or a cynic might say that its a way to ensure the muslim is condemned no matter what he does. But we call that spineless apologetics.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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