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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #165 - May 11^th, 2015 at 4:27pm rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 4:04pm: i know its unpopular but the truth is abos have a cultural proclivity towards domestic violence. Your so dumb you make parrots fall from trees..sorry Rhino
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Reply #166 - May 11^th, 2015 at 5:38pm

Nah, im considerably smarter than most on here. Why? because I dont allow predefined conceptions or political correctness to influence my posts like most of you. I also dont post unless I know what i am talking about, again unlike most of you who start out with an opinion and then look for support for that opinion afterwards. I dont have any opinion not backed by facts. its not that I continually win these little debates although it may seem that way, its that you lose them.

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Reply #167 - May 11^th, 2015 at 10:01pm

mothra wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 1:47am:

I agree with you Phem .... and Emma.

But as much as it pains me to say, Honky is scratching around the genesis of a point when it comes to Aboriginal women.

HE worded it poorly and used the example atrociously BUT Aboriginal women are 45 (might be 48) times more likely than white women to experience DV.

I do not believe this is cultural, i believe it is circumstantial. Where there is gross poverty, grief and loss and disempowerment you will always find people with less physical power abused. It's a 'kick the dog' kind of thing.

It certainly happens across all classes, religions, ethnicities and other demographics but we do have a crisis in this country regarding the safety of Aboriginal women. Some revolting sorts try to blame culture for it. Not true.

There is some very fine work being done by some very fine people regarding this devastating issue. Much more needs doing though.

While we have a government that compartmentalises 'Indigenous affairs' into a single category for fund distribution and nothing else at all we will continue to have these problems. We need spear-headed task forces led by Aboriginal people and with collaboration with Aboriginal people.

Case by case. Situation by situation.

Whatever it takes.

I totally agree Mothra..
I admit to being far removed from that reality, and

I find it a difficult issue to confront.

I don't believe it is cultural either,. not at the heart of the issue. The issues you raise here are undeniable.. and should not be an avenue with which to disenfranchise the people any further.

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Reply #168 - May 11^th, 2015 at 10:05pm

Lisa Jones wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:17am:

Emma wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

Fair comment.

Especially 2 b)
Deflecting blame is a practice used to advantage by many in our society. Sad

Victim blaming you mean.

YES Lisa.. that is what I mean. And it happens across all stratas of society and seems to be the 'classic fall-back' position for those culpable beings who do the bad.

. Not MY fault.!!

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Reply #169 - May 11^th, 2015 at 10:13pm

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Nah, im considerably smarter than most on here. Why? because I dont allow predefined conceptions or political correctness to influence my posts like most of you. I also dont post unless I know what i am talking about, again unlike most of you who start out with an opinion and then look for support for that opinion afterwards. I dont have any opinion not backed by facts. its not that I continually win these little debates although it may seem that way, its that you lose them.

haha you are hilarious.

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

Posted by: Rhino Posted on: Today at 4:04pm
i know its unpopular but the truth is abos have a cultural proclivity towards domestic violence.

Are you saying WE DON'T.??? Wake up. Sad

You seem to not understand the relativity of statistical analysis, and you haven't really shown anything except a specific bias.

Personally I am entitled to my OPINIONS.. as r u.

But don't claim kudos you'd never be able to achieve. What a joke.

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Reply #170 - May 11^th, 2015 at 10:40pm

Emma wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:05pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:17am:

Emma wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

Fair comment.

Especially 2 b)
Deflecting blame is a practice used to advantage by many in our society. Sad

Victim blaming you mean.

YES Lisa.. that is what I mean. And it happens across all stratas of society and seems to be the 'classic fall-back' position for those culpable beings who do the bad.

. Not MY fault.!!

You cant fix problems if you wont admit they exist.

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Reply #171 - May 11^th, 2015 at 10:42pm

Emma wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:13pm:

You seem to not understand the relativity of statistical analysis, and you haven't really shown anything except a specific bias.

Rubbish. I have already analysed and understand these iusues.

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Personally I am entitled to my OPINIONS.. as r u.

But don't claim kudos you'd never be able to achieve. What a joke.

My posts are based on direct life experience and factual information. Not opinion.

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Reply #172 - May 11^th, 2015 at 10:48pm

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:40pm:

Emma wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:05pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:17am:

Emma wrote on May 10^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

Fair comment.

Especially 2 b)
Deflecting blame is a practice used to advantage by many in our society. Sad

Victim blaming you mean.

YES Lisa.. that is what I mean. And it happens across all stratas of society and seems to be the 'classic fall-back' position for those culpable beings who do the bad.

. Not MY fault.!!

You cant fix problems if you wont admit they exist.

Exactly right Rhino.

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #173 - May 11^th, 2015 at 11:08pm and I third that one
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Reply #174 - May 12^th, 2015 at 6:53am

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:42pm:

Emma wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:13pm:

You seem to not understand the relativity of statistical analysis, and you haven't really shown anything except a specific bias.

Rubbish. I have already analysed and understand these iusues.

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Personally I am entitled to my OPINIONS.. as r u.

But don't claim kudos you'd never be able to achieve. What a joke.

My posts are based on direct life experience and factual information. Not opinion.

That is the basis of opinion...

DV knows no boundaries with culture, race, religion, gender, demograph or fiscal worth.

Simply put, some situations have more than one factor driving the problem along.

The ONLY real problem is the complicit denial of how wide spread the problem is.

Your OPINION contributes to said denial.

The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children...

This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate.

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Reply #175 - May 12^th, 2015 at 2:19pm

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Nah, im considerably smarter than most on here. Why? because I dont allow predefined conceptions or political correctness to influence my posts like most of you. I also dont post unless I know what i am talking about, again unlike most of you who start out with an opinion and then look for support for that opinion afterwards. I dont have any opinion not backed by facts. its not that I continually win these little debates although it may seem that way, its that you lose them.

If you don't really believe that you may possibly be smarter than i give you credit for.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #176 - May 12^th, 2015 at 3:21pm

Phemanderac wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:42pm:

Emma wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:13pm:

You seem to not understand the relativity of statistical analysis, and you haven't really shown anything except a specific bias.

Rubbish. I have already analysed and understand these iusues.

Quote:

Personally I am entitled to my OPINIONS.. as r u.

But don't claim kudos you'd never be able to achieve. What a joke.

My posts are based on direct life experience and factual information. Not opinion.

That is the basis of opinion...

DV knows no boundaries with culture, race, religion, gender, demograph or fiscal worth.

Simply put, some situations have more than one factor driving the problem along.

The ONLY real problem is the complicit denial of how wide spread the problem is.

Your OPINION contributes to said denial.

The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children...

This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate.

Well said.

So....where to from here?

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Reply #177 - May 12^th, 2015 at 3:51pm

mothra wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 5:38pm:

Nah, im considerably smarter than most on here. Why? because I dont allow predefined conceptions or political correctness to influence my posts like most of you. I also dont post unless I know what i am talking about, again unlike most of you who start out with an opinion and then look for support for that opinion afterwards. I dont have any opinion not backed by facts. its not that I continually win these little debates although it may seem that way, its that you lose them.

If you don't really believe that you may possibly be smarter than i give you credit for.

And yet you are unable to understand or answer any of my simple questions. Quite a big glass house you are living in. Cool

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Reply #178 - May 12^th, 2015 at 3:56pm

Phemanderac wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

rhino wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:42pm:

Emma wrote on May 11^th, 2015 at 10:13pm:

You seem to not understand the relativity of statistical analysis, and you haven't really shown anything except a specific bias.

Rubbish. I have already analysed and understand these iusues.

Quote:

Personally I am entitled to my OPINIONS.. as r u.

But don't claim kudos you'd never be able to achieve. What a joke.

My posts are based on direct life experience and factual information. Not opinion.

That is the basis of opinion...

DV knows no boundaries with culture, race, religion, gender, demograph or fiscal worth.

Simply put, some situations have more than one factor driving the problem along.

The ONLY real problem is the complicit denial of how wide spread the problem is.

Your OPINION contributes to said denial.

The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children...

This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate.

No one said DV was exclusive to any particular group, but what is factual is that it occurs much more frequently amongst certain groups. Aboriginals outweigh all others in DV statistics, this is regardless of occupation , location or socioeconomic status. The one factor common is culture. These are facts, you should try them sometime instead of concentrating on the messenger. So if you really want to appear semi intelligent you may compose a response to me based on these facts.

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Reply #179 - May 12^th, 2015 at 3:59pm

Phemanderac wrote on May 12^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

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The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children...

This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate.

And no, this doesnt get lost on my at all. Do you think the fact that white kids are much more likely to be removed from families where they are being abused than abo kids helps them any? Why dont we keep pretending theres no issue with these people.

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