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Reply #406 - May 26^th, 2015 at 1:35am

Emma wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 10:12pm:

It is fallacious to compare genders in the context of which gender is harder done-by. There is NO doubt.

I agree about freedom. That is the issue really.

I would like to be able to go for a wander around in the Bush, checking out the countryside, scoping out the area on my own. Just like my large male neighbour does.

But I don't because it isn't safe for a lone female.

How sad is that? and what does it say about us?

I have tried walking with my dog into remoter areas, BUT.. I don't feel safe, because I know there are MONSTERS out there.
I've fought one.
I won.. at great cost to myself.
I have no wish to be a statistic.

It's really hard to explain to people who have felt no fear what fear is.

It is not about being unwilling ... it is about what you know is a reasonable variable.

For many women, just simple walking around the neighbourhood is frightening.

It is not these women's fault that that is the case. They are not being paranoid. They are being attentive.

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Reply #407 - May 26^th, 2015 at 1:45am

Emma wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 12:06am:

Phemanderac wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 8:33am:

"oppressor/oppressed paradigm"

That just seems to be a different way of saying there is a power imbalance - which would seem also to be the underpinning point of ANY struggle/conflict.

Isn't it all just about power and control. Adding genders into this is merely a distraction from the real power and control issues I would think.

It still comes down to a discussion about freedom, one which is lost/wasted by dumbing it all down to him vs her (or her vs him if you like).

Sadly, Phemanderac , this imbalance is MOST prevalent in the male/female and the adult/child dichotomies. It is undeniable.
It should be just about conflict among equals.. but it isn't is it.? Sad

You can't have a discussion about freedom when the tables are tilted.

You can argue that genders distract from the primary point, and you would have my agreement ... if the argument was only academic.

It is not though. The argument must factor in the intricacies of gender placement. We must, from this point, accept that men have the upper hand.

As i tried to explain to Culture Warrior, this does not mean all men are anything at all ... but the power paradigm accepts and accepts only that men are in the pole position.

This is the patriarchy. It negatively effects men and women. Men are supposed to succeed at any cost and women are supposed to pick up the leavings.

Too much pressure on men ... too little allowance for women.

A failed system.

Time for a reboot.

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Reply #408 - May 26^th, 2015 at 1:49am

mothra wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:10am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 7:03am:

Emma wrote on May 24^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

maybe you should understand Patriarchy.
Maybe you should understand women.

Get informed, rather than emotive, you poor creature. Left to the ministrations of the evil female, out to get you.!!!
Cheesy

Can't you look up the definition?. No? Not interested? So go away and spread your baseless views somewhere they are welcome.

Seems to me if you watch the News, of any sort, you'd now be aware of the state of this matter of DV and oppression by male on female. Of how wide-spread it is, and how pervasive is the current dominant culture. Do you mean you haven't heard about this? ?

Do you even watch the News, or 'umm '

actually READ ?

Some MEN.. are starting to stand up for what is right. But the pollies are only really doing it, in the main, for our female votes. Why are there no real women in Abbotts govt.?

There are many other more genuine informed commentators of the male persuasion. And you know what CW and the rest?? these MEN think you are lower than cockroaches. They are real men. Not afraid of losing their historical right to rule the roost.
Good on them, they are much more aware than the puny likes of you and your weak kind.
Feel good only when you can be putting someone else down, do you. ?. Eh?

The answer would be YES. Wouldn't it.?

Pathetic.

Keep on showing us just how ignorant selfish puerile and bigoted you really are. !

Mothra, how do you debate someone like this? Does Emma Peel appear remotely interested in discussing or correcting the issues raised?

What is the starting point of your argument?

It seems to me that you are coming in with an agenda and asking those who receive your posts to have none.

How do you debate Emma? Point by point. Try not to dehumanise her. Listen to what she says and try to factor in that she may be defensive because it is reasonably expected that she be defensive. Given what is said.

Thank you M but you seem to be missing the point Mothra.

CW and ilk have NO interest in the truth, and seek to push their agenda to undermine at every opportunity given to them.

No actual argument is ever presented by them. They are just trashers. Don't get too worried about them.

They represent a group.. ( like the MRA) who feel disenfranchised from their traditional position of power. It's simple really. They have no power to change themselves or society, but they surely don't want women to feel equal. !

Heaven Forbid.! Roll Eyes

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Reply #409 - May 26^th, 2015 at 2:03am

mothra wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:45am:

As i tried to explain to Culture Warrior, this does not mean all men are anything at all ... but the power paradigm accepts and[

b] accepts only that men are in the pole position.

This is the patriarchy. It negatively effects men and women.

[/b]Men are supposed to succeed at any cost and women are supposed to pick up the leavings.

Too much pressure on men ... too little allowance for women.

A failed system.

Time for a reboot.

All you have to do is look at Government to realise that you are saying truth Mothra.

Seems strange doesn't it? that any G8 or G20 or any other gathering of world leaders you could suggest , has maybe 1 woman ?
Does that tell us anything.?

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Reply #410 - May 26^th, 2015 at 2:07am

I'm not missing the point Emma. I get it.

Wide eyed me.

They do not frighten me or challenge me in any way in which i feel i'm wanting.

I won;t abide them talking trash about you or any other woman who ventures an opinion forth though.

I understand your reticence though. How badly are this lot treating you already? So quickly into this exchange?

I'm not so easily swayed though. I see.

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Reply #411 - May 26^th, 2015 at 2:08am

Emma wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:03am:

mothra wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:45am:

As i tried to explain to Culture Warrior, this does not mean all men are anything at all ... but the power paradigm accepts and[

b] accepts only that men are in the pole position.

This is the patriarchy. It negatively effects men and women.

[/b]Men are supposed to succeed at any cost and women are supposed to pick up the leavings.

Too much pressure on men ... too little allowance for women.

A failed system.

Time for a reboot.

All you have to do is look at Government to realise that you are saying truth Mothra.

Seems strange doesn't it? that any G8 or G20 or any other gathering of world leaders you could suggest , has maybe 1 woman ?
Does that tell us anything.?

IT tells us that half of the voices are being unrepresented.

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Reply #412 - May 26^th, 2015 at 2:14am

mothra wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 1:35am:

Emma wrote on May 25^th, 2015 at 10:12pm:

It is fallacious to compare genders in the context of which gender is harder done-by. There is NO doubt.

I agree about freedom. That is the issue really.

I would like to be able to go for a wander around in the Bush, checking out the countryside, scoping out the area on my own. Just like my large male neighbour does.

But I don't because it isn't safe for a lone female.

How sad is that? and what does it say about us?

I have tried walking with my dog into remoter areas, BUT.. I don't feel safe, because I know there are MONSTERS out there.
I've fought one.
I won.. at great cost to myself.
I have no wish to be a statistic.

It's really hard to explain to people who have felt no fear what fear is.It is not about being unwilling ... it is about what you know is a reasonable variable.

For many women, just simple walking around the neighbourhood is frightening.

It is not these women's fault that that is the case. They are not being paranoid. They are being attentive.

Yes

I am attentive, or alert ( the world needs lerts

) , because altho the legal system tried to condemn me, and I won that one, the monster is still out there. Paid big money by the govt, to go away. I beat him, on my own, no help - just big legal bills, but he beat the govt, and the entire Australian Judiciary.. And was paid by the govt to go away.
Clever piece of filth this one. A stayer. A stalker and a killer.

Now it is only me. Every day that I wake up in my own piece of paradise I count as another successful day.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #413 - May 26^th, 2015 at 2:30am Peace to you Mothra. And I understand that some things MUST be said. I don't live in fear. I live in peace and I hope for a better world. But I don't back down. Appeasing your oppressor is bad policy.
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Reply #414 - May 26^th, 2015 at 2:42am

Emma wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 2:30am:

Peace to you Mothra.

And I understand that some things MUST be said.
I don't live in fear. I live in peace and I hope for a better world. But I don't back down.

Appeasing your oppressor is bad policy.

Many blessings on you Emma.

I am very, very pleased you have found peace.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35146 Gender:	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #415 - May 26^th, 2015 at 2:43am Just know ... i got your back ...
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #416 - May 26^th, 2015 at 2:48am What I mean to say.. Mothra is that by replying to these agenda-driven male posters, they get some credibility. As if the rubbish requires or deserves a reply. It doesn't. It just provides more fuel to the fire THEY want to burn.
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #417 - May 26^th, 2015 at 2:49am thanks M
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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #418 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:05am So do we arrive at the position that the only men who post here seek to denigrate women in any way that they can ? Has there been any supportive male posts.? Hey!! are you out there fellas.? Or are you really all the same?. Is there NO male out there with a positive comment.? Hmm?
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Reply #419 - May 26^th, 2015 at 3:30am

Emma wrote on May 26^th, 2015 at 3:05am:

So

do we arrive at the position that the only men who post here seek to denigrate women in any way that they can ?

Has there been any supportive male posts.?

Hey!! are you out there fellas.?
Or are you really all the same?.

Is there NO male out there with a positive comment.? Hmm?

No Emma. We cannot arrive at that conclusion.

We have Phemanderec.

There are good men.

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