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Reply #540 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 12:25am

Emma wrote on Jun 5^th, 2015 at 10:25pm:

I don't think 'transgenderism' is a particularly large women's issue.

Why are you talking about a man, who believes he is a woman, and took steps to become one.?

Hardly relevant is it?
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I think it's relevant in the respect that it coaches the collective unconscious and indeed the collective consciousness to view sexuality and gender upon a spectrum. The viewing of such upon a spectrum is what will challenge the patriarchy.

I think LGBT rights are very much a feminist issue, in the respect that they are about equality (sorry Phem, i know that is not the word you would use).

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Reply #541 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 12:31am

Phem ... i think the point that is sticking in your, mine and Emma's craw is the definition of the word equality.

You are arguing, and rightly so, that there are inherant difference between the genders that render equality unattainable.

Emma is arguing that equality is precisely what we need and are going for.

Could i venture to say that equality of law is different to equality of being?

We are different. We all bring our own set of unique skills to the table. What feminists, and i myself argue is that there need to be an 'equality' as to how these skills are validated. There needs to be an equality as to how we value those skills.

IT is fabulous to idealise freedom. I do it too. But before we get there we need to consider all skill sets to be of equal value.

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Reply #543 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 12:52am

Well I suppose transgender does increase the awareness of 'gender', overall.

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

You are arguing, and rightly so, that there are inherant difference between the genders that render equality unattainable.

See, I don't believe that. But umm I'm just going to go watch some big men in a big Bellator fight. Catch you later.

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Reply #544 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:00am

rhino wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 12:48am:

womens mothras biggest issues are alpha males and feminine females..

You'd be surprised at just how feminine i am Rhino.

Doesn't fit with your view of me certainly, but i'm very proud to be a woman.

As for alpha males? I'm not much of a fan of alpha anybodys. I like equal playing fields.

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Reply #545 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:02am

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 12:52am:

Well I suppose transgender does increase the awareness of 'gender', overall.

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

You are arguing, and rightly so, that there are inherant difference between the genders that render equality unattainable.

See, I don't believe that. But umm I'm just going to go watch some big men in a big Bellator fight. Catch you later.

Which bit don't you believe Emma? That there are differences between the genders or that those differences render equality unattainable?

Because i agree with the former and disagree with the latter.

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Reply #546 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:23am

wow that was short and brutal.!
Didn't even finish the second round.

Umm, where were we..? oh yeah, right. The latter.

I 'll put it in positive terms.

I do believe that equality.. and all that means in full, is definitely achievable. Not in my life time tho.

Why Mothra do you agree that women, and other disadvantaged or minority groups, are unable ever to achieve equity.? That is a bit much don't you think.?

Talk about self-defeating. Huh

I have hopes that people will, if we survive our current self-destruction, eventually understand that we are all one. And will respect each other as sentient beings.

Not just a walking sloshy bag of skin containing hormones and muscles.! Some of whom happen to have more power or money than others.
That is existence at it's lowest level. That is where we live now.

I'd hope that having developed a brain capable of the things we have achieved already, in a remarkably short time.. relatively, ..that these base drives will be overcome.

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Reply #547 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:38am

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:02am:

Which bit don't you believe Emma? That there are differences between the genders or that those differences render equality unattainable?

Because i agree with the former and disagree with the latter.

Damn I got that wrong didn't I. I don't believe that those differences render equality unattainable. Sheesh.

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Reply #548 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:44am

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

Phem ... i think the point that is sticking in your, mine and Emma's craw is the definition of the word equality.

You are arguing, and rightly so, that there are inherant difference between the genders that render equality unattainable.

[quote author=mothra link=1407626664/541#541 date=1433514689]Could i venture to say that equality of law is different to equality of being?

But didn't you say (see in BOLD) the above ?
So what now we have different sorts of equality.?

No, I can't say I'd agree with that at all.
How can you separate the two.?

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Reply #549 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:49am

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:38am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:02am:

Which bit don't you believe Emma? That there are differences between the genders or that those differences render equality unattainable?

Because i agree with the former and disagree with the latter.

Damn I got that wrong didn't I. I don't believe that those differences render equality unattainable. Sheesh.

Neither do i. But it is a long road.

Think of the example of Julia Gillard. First woman PM. What a mile stone. But how badly was she treated? Both by the media and her colleagues. It was disgraceful.

But ... the precedent has been set. It may be many years before another woman holds that office but it cannot be undone that a woman did hold that office. It is in the collective consciousness now. It has happened.

The same with same sex marriage and transgender rights. The more they are talked about and the closer they come to being normalised, the weaker the patriarchy gets. Acceptance of sexuality and gender upon a spectrum is the nemesis of the patriarchy.

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Reply #550 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:52am

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:44am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 12:31am:

Phem ... i think the point that is sticking in your, mine and Emma's craw is the definition of the word equality.

You are arguing, and rightly so, that there are inherant difference between the genders that render equality unattainable.

[quote author=mothra link=1407626664/541#541 date=1433514689]Could i venture to say that equality of law is different to equality of being?

But didn't you say (see in BOLD) the above ?
So what now we have different sorts of equality.?

No, I can't say I'd agree with that at all.
How can you separate the two.?

I don't separate the two. I see gender existing upon a continuum.

I don't think in terms of men and women, rather in terms of the masculine and the feminine.

The masculine is exalted while the feminine is relegated to second class.

I don;t see the issue as being about the sexes at all .. rather what we value and what we consider to be the representatives of that which we value.

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Emma Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9853 OZ Gender:	Re: Womens Biggest Issues Are ... Reply #551 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:53am I agree with that. And Julia Gillard was treated like a second-class PM. How sad it was. I was disgusted at the tactics used against her. Typical tho isn't it.? Bully boys the lot of them. Well I hope for the future. In the meantime the innocent and weak will go on suffering.
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Reply #552 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:56am

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:00am:

As for alpha males? I'm not much of a fan of alpha anybodys. I like equal playing fields.

just shows how poorly you understand basic human biology. Most femonazis are completely bereft of this type of understanding of basic human nature, theirs and your resentment and hostility towards alpha males is generally based on penis envy.

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Reply #553 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:58am

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:53am:

I agree with that.

And Julia Gillard was treated like a second-class PM.

How sad it was. I was disgusted at the tactics used against her. Typical tho isn't it.? Bully boys the lot of them. Angry

Well I hope for the future. In the meantime the innocent and weak will go on suffering.

gillard played the victim card well, politics is a ruthless game regardless of gender.

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Reply #554 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:59am

rhino wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:56am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 1:00am:

As for alpha males? I'm not much of a fan of alpha anybodys. I like equal playing fields.

just shows how poorly you understand basic human biology. Most femonazis are completely bereft of this type of understanding of basic human nature, theirs and your resentment and hostility towards alpha males is generally based on penis envy.

You're cute. What is basic human nature about having a set of 'alpha males' hold power over the rest of us?

Nothing at all.

It is a violation of power, not adherence to natural law.

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