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Reply #615 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:33am

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:20am:

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:15am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:13am:

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:09am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:02am:

Nifty, have you any thoughts about women's equality versus the patriarchy?

Don't let these guys put you off. They are just angry, angry little biscuits.

When someone is in a privileged position and that privilege is threatened, they'll do anything to try to hold onto it. In America they're implementing laws on abortion and all the rest of it. Patriarchy is an insidious cancer clinging tenaciously to society. Internalised and overt misogyny is a constant barrier to both women and men (can't forget teh menz!), and until people accept that women cannot and will not take any more of this shite, we're gonna have a problem.

tbh they should just stop interfering, the ball is rolling. Those fighting for equality won't back down, we've gained too much ground.

Encouraging Nifty. It's a bit like the same sex marriage thing i suppose. It's going to happen, stop fighting it.

It's like they think this whole equality thing is a bad idea.

Yeah, it makes me wonder what the vested interest is. Why fight so hard against something that is clearly a natural state of being for so many people?

It has to be about the relinquishing of power and the interruption to the status quo. THere is no other possible explanation.

I think fear is a major motivator. They're afraid of change, even if the change that comes is positive. People don't like to lose, even though when someone gains privileges you always had it doesn't mean you're losing any of your own.

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Reply #617 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:36am

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:24am:

that's funny Nifty.

Would put a spanner in the works wouldn't it? Eh?

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:15am:

When someone is in a privileged position and that privilege is threatened, they'll do anything to try to hold onto it. In America they're implementing laws on abortion and all the rest of it. Patriarchy is an insidious cancer clinging tenaciously to society. Internalised and overt misogyny is a constant barrier to both women and men (can't forget teh menz!), and until people accept that women cannot and will not take any more of this shite, we're gonna have a problem.

Well we DO have a problem, lets face it. The on-going 'Backlash' is everywhere. Not new either.

Just think, it was less 100 yrs ago that women got the right to vote. !
A woman could not own property. As late as 50 odd yrs ago, women with a job in the Public Service had to quit their jobs if they got married.

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It is some serious bullshite, and then you get the people who think that we have actually achieved equality. We still have so far to go.

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Reply #618 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:39am

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:36am:

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:24am:

that's funny Nifty.

Would put a spanner in the works wouldn't it? Eh?

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:15am:

When someone is in a privileged position and that privilege is threatened, they'll do anything to try to hold onto it. In America they're implementing laws on abortion and all the rest of it. Patriarchy is an insidious cancer clinging tenaciously to society. Internalised and overt misogyny is a constant barrier to both women and men (can't forget teh menz!), and until people accept that women cannot and will not take any more of this shite, we're gonna have a problem.

Well we DO have a problem, lets face it. The on-going 'Backlash' is everywhere. Not new either.

Just think, it was less 100 yrs ago that women got the right to vote. !
A woman could not own property. As late as 50 odd yrs ago, women with a job in the Public Service had to quit their jobs if they got married.

.

It is some serious bullshite, and then you get the people who think that we have actually achieved equality. We still have so far to go.

I think that even before we get to power, it comes down to value. Certain characteristics are valued over others.

As it stands, the masculine is valued over the feminine.

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Reply #619 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:40am

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:36am:

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:24am:

that's funny Nifty.

Would put a spanner in the works wouldn't it? Eh?

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:15am:

When someone is in a privileged position and that privilege is threatened, they'll do anything to try to hold onto it. In America they're implementing laws on abortion and all the rest of it. Patriarchy is an insidious cancer clinging tenaciously to society. Internalised and overt misogyny is a constant barrier to both women and men (can't forget teh menz!), and until people accept that women cannot and will not take any more of this shite, we're gonna have a problem.

Well we DO have a problem, lets face it. The on-going 'Backlash' is everywhere. Not new either.

Just think, it was less 100 yrs ago that women got the right to vote. !
A woman could not own property. As late as 50 odd yrs ago, women with a job in the Public Service had to quit their jobs if they got married.

.

It is some serious bullshite, and then you get the people who think that we have actually achieved equality. We still have so far to go.

We are a long.long way from equality. Agreed.

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Reply #620 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:42am

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:39am:

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:36am:

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:24am:

that's funny Nifty.

Would put a spanner in the works wouldn't it? Eh?

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:15am:

When someone is in a privileged position and that privilege is threatened, they'll do anything to try to hold onto it. In America they're implementing laws on abortion and all the rest of it. Patriarchy is an insidious cancer clinging tenaciously to society. Internalised and overt misogyny is a constant barrier to both women and men (can't forget teh menz!), and until people accept that women cannot and will not take any more of this shite, we're gonna have a problem.

Well we DO have a problem, lets face it. The on-going 'Backlash' is everywhere. Not new either.

Just think, it was less 100 yrs ago that women got the right to vote. !
A woman could not own property. As late as 50 odd yrs ago, women with a job in the Public Service had to quit their jobs if they got married.

.

It is some serious bullshite, and then you get the people who think that we have actually achieved equality. We still have so far to go.

I think that even before we get to power, it comes down to value. Certain characteristics are valued over others.

As it stands, the masculine is valued over the feminine.

Isn't that a part of power though? Deciding that one characteristic is more important than the other?

On this topic though, I like this quote;

“What’s the worst possible thing you can call a woman? Don’t hold back, now. You’re probably thinking of words like slut, whore, bitch, front bottom (I told you not to hold back!), skank. Okay, now, what are the worst things you can call a guy? Fag, girl, bitch, pussy. I’ve even heard the term “mangina.” Notice anything? The worst thing you can call a girl is a girl. The worst thing you can call a guy is a girl. Being a woman is the ultimate insult. Now tell me that’s not royally buggered up.”
― Jessica Valenti

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Reply #621 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:43am

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:42am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:39am:

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:36am:

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:24am:

that's funny Nifty.

Would put a spanner in the works wouldn't it? Eh?

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:15am:

When someone is in a privileged position and that privilege is threatened, they'll do anything to try to hold onto it. In America they're implementing laws on abortion and all the rest of it. Patriarchy is an insidious cancer clinging tenaciously to society. Internalised and overt misogyny is a constant barrier to both women and men (can't forget teh menz!), and until people accept that women cannot and will not take any more of this shite, we're gonna have a problem.

Well we DO have a problem, lets face it. The on-going 'Backlash' is everywhere. Not new either.

Just think, it was less 100 yrs ago that women got the right to vote. !
A woman could not own property. As late as 50 odd yrs ago, women with a job in the Public Service had to quit their jobs if they got married.

.

It is some serious bullshite, and then you get the people who think that we have actually achieved equality. We still have so far to go.

I think that even before we get to power, it comes down to value. Certain characteristics are valued over others.

As it stands, the masculine is valued over the feminine.

Isn't that a part of power though? Deciding that one characteristic is more important than the other?

On this topic though, I like this quote;

“What’s the worst possible thing you can call a woman? Don’t hold back, now. You’re probably thinking of words like slut, whore, bitch, nice person (I told you not to hold back!), skank. Okay, now, what are the worst things you can call a guy? Fag, girl, bitch, pussy. I’ve even heard the term “mangina.” Notice anything? The worst thing you can call a girl is a girl. The worst thing you can call a guy is a girl. Being a woman is the ultimate insult. Now tell me that’s not royally buggered up.”
― Jessica Valenti

(I love how it changed the c-word to "nice person" Grin

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Reply #622 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:47am

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:33am:

I'm pretty sure it was Kaz Cook who said:

"If you say you are not a feminist but prefer not to be treated as a small deposit of seagull poo on the windscreen of life, you simply have your terminology wrong"

Like it was easy to get here and what's the big deal eh? Yeah it is sad. I wonder whether our youth get any information about the history of the movement for equal rights. I wonder if they are taught about any of this.

I would hope so, but it is so common to hear belittling statements and comments about women that I seriously doubt any effort has been put into general dissemination of the facts that ruled our past. If you asked a young person who Emily Pankhurst was, would they know?

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Reply #623 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:49am

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:42am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:39am:

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:36am:

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:24am:

that's funny Nifty.

Would put a spanner in the works wouldn't it? Eh?

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:15am:

When someone is in a privileged position and that privilege is threatened, they'll do anything to try to hold onto it. In America they're implementing laws on abortion and all the rest of it. Patriarchy is an insidious cancer clinging tenaciously to society. Internalised and overt misogyny is a constant barrier to both women and men (can't forget teh menz!), and until people accept that women cannot and will not take any more of this shite, we're gonna have a problem.

Well we DO have a problem, lets face it. The on-going 'Backlash' is everywhere. Not new either.

Just think, it was less 100 yrs ago that women got the right to vote. !
A woman could not own property. As late as 50 odd yrs ago, women with a job in the Public Service had to quit their jobs if they got married.

.

It is some serious bullshite, and then you get the people who think that we have actually achieved equality. We still have so far to go.

I think that even before we get to power, it comes down to value. Certain characteristics are valued over others.

As it stands, the masculine is valued over the feminine.

Isn't that a part of power though? Deciding that one characteristic is more important than the other?

On this topic though, I like this quote;

“What’s the worst possible thing you can call a woman? Don’t hold back, now. You’re probably thinking of words like slut, whore, bitch, nice person (I told you not to hold back!), skank. Okay, now, what are the worst things you can call a guy? Fag, girl, bitch, pussy. I’ve even heard the term “mangina.” Notice anything? The worst thing you can call a girl is a girl. The worst thing you can call a guy is a girl. Being a woman is the ultimate insult. Now tell me that’s not royally buggered up.”
― Jessica Valenti

That is an awesome quote and so very true, It reminds me of a theory i heard as to why many men were so threatened by gay men. It is because they have stepped down off of the power rung to be less than they could have been.

A step down.

More towards women.

It is interesting too that so many men cite their problem with gay men to be that they don't want to be approached or objectified by other men ... yet that is precisely what men do to women. All. The. Time.

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Reply #624 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:50am

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:47am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:33am:

I'm pretty sure it was Kaz Cook who said:

"If you say you are not a feminist but prefer not to be treated as a small deposit of seagull poo on the windscreen of life, you simply have your terminology wrong"

Like it was easy to get here and what's the big deal eh? Yeah it is sad. I wonder whether our youth get any information about the history of the movement for equal rights. I wonder if they are taught about any of this.

I would hope so, but it is so common to hear belittling statements and comments about women that I seriously doubt any effort has been put into general dissemination of the facts that ruled our past. If you asked a young person who Emily Pankhurst was, would they know?

My daughter could tell you who she was Emma ... but i don't think it's widely known.

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Reply #625 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:56am

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:47am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:33am:

I'm pretty sure it was Kaz Cook who said:

"If you say you are not a feminist but prefer not to be treated as a small deposit of seagull poo on the windscreen of life, you simply have your terminology wrong"

Like it was easy to get here and what's the big deal eh? Yeah it is sad. I wonder whether our youth get any information about the history of the movement for equal rights. I wonder if they are taught about any of this.

I would hope so, but it is so common to hear belittling statements and comments about women that I seriously doubt any effort has been put into general dissemination of the facts that ruled our past. If you asked a young person who Emily Pankhurst was, would they know?

She's a very interesting person.

I've been studying feminist political theory lately, and recently discovered anarcha-feminism. Women like Emma Goldman and Voltairine De Cleyre are so fascinating, and not talked about save for specialised women's studies topics. I also find it interesting that men like Foucault are discussed at large for their contributions to feminism, but the women are largely forgotten.

I have a sneaky suspicion I know what might be behind this.

(Hint!! It begins with "P" and ends with "atriarchy"!)

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Reply #627 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 4:08am

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:56am:

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:47am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:33am:

I'm pretty sure it was Kaz Cook who said:

"If you say you are not a feminist but prefer not to be treated as a small deposit of seagull poo on the windscreen of life, you simply have your terminology wrong"

Like it was easy to get here and what's the big deal eh? Yeah it is sad. I wonder whether our youth get any information about the history of the movement for equal rights. I wonder if they are taught about any of this.

I would hope so, but it is so common to hear belittling statements and comments about women that I seriously doubt any effort has been put into general dissemination of the facts that ruled our past. If you asked a young person who Emily Pankhurst was, would they know?

She's a very interesting person.

I've been studying feminist political theory lately, and recently discovered anarcha-feminism. Women like Emma Goldman and Voltairine De Cleyre are so fascinating, and not talked about save for specialised women's studies topics. I also find it interesting that men like Foucault are discussed at large for their contributions to feminism, but the women are largely forgotten.

I have a sneaky suspicion I know what might be behind this.

(Hint!! It begins with "P" and ends with "atriarchy"!)

Nifty, so you think that even in the study of feminist theory, men are more widely accepted?

Is this what you're saying?

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Reply #628 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 4:18am

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 4:08am:

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:56am:

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:47am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:33am:

I'm pretty sure it was Kaz Cook who said:

"If you say you are not a feminist but prefer not to be treated as a small deposit of seagull poo on the windscreen of life, you simply have your terminology wrong"

Like it was easy to get here and what's the big deal eh? Yeah it is sad. I wonder whether our youth get any information about the history of the movement for equal rights. I wonder if they are taught about any of this.

I would hope so, but it is so common to hear belittling statements and comments about women that I seriously doubt any effort has been put into general dissemination of the facts that ruled our past. If you asked a young person who Emily Pankhurst was, would they know?

She's a very interesting person.

I've been studying feminist political theory lately, and recently discovered anarcha-feminism. Women like Emma Goldman and Voltairine De Cleyre are so fascinating, and not talked about save for specialised women's studies topics. I also find it interesting that men like Foucault are discussed at large for their contributions to feminism, but the women are largely forgotten.

I have a sneaky suspicion I know what might be behind this.

(Hint!! It begins with "P" and ends with "atriarchy"!)

Nifty, so you think that even in the study of feminist theory, men are more widely accepted?

Is this what you're saying?

I think it's a default state of society to accept a man's view on any matter over a woman's --- even in feminist study. Men will certainly be remembered more, and their knowledge will be retold. People tend to listen to a male voice over that of a woman's.

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Reply #629 - Jun 6^th, 2015 at 4:23am

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 4:18am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 4:08am:

The Niftiest Bear wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:56am:

Emma wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:47am:

mothra wrote on Jun 6^th, 2015 at 3:33am:

I'm pretty sure it was Kaz Cook who said:

"If you say you are not a feminist but prefer not to be treated as a small deposit of seagull poo on the windscreen of life, you simply have your terminology wrong"

Like it was easy to get here and what's the big deal eh? Yeah it is sad. I wonder whether our youth get any information about the history of the movement for equal rights. I wonder if they are taught about any of this.

I would hope so, but it is so common to hear belittling statements and comments about women that I seriously doubt any effort has been put into general dissemination of the facts that ruled our past. If you asked a young person who Emily Pankhurst was, would they know?

She's a very interesting person.

I've been studying feminist political theory lately, and recently discovered anarcha-feminism. Women like Emma Goldman and Voltairine De Cleyre are so fascinating, and not talked about save for specialised women's studies topics. I also find it interesting that men like Foucault are discussed at large for their contributions to feminism, but the women are largely forgotten.

I have a sneaky suspicion I know what might be behind this.

(Hint!! It begins with "P" and ends with "atriarchy"!)

Nifty, so you think that even in the study of feminist theory, men are more widely accepted?

Is this what you're saying?

I think it's a default state of society to accept a man's view on any matter over a woman's --- even in feminist study. Men will certainly be remembered more, and their knowledge will be retold. People tend to listen to a male voice over that of a woman's.

The patriarchy at work eh?

Reminds me of an old saying ... "Anonymous is a woman" ... referring to old texts.

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