sure. When you arent drunk you make some half decent posts.

hmmm didn't go down so well eh? But it is true. 

Fear makes us fools.


Did you hear?  that  Hillsong is/are going to manage one of the executed Bali 9 ringleaders memorial.? The christian convert I presume.

So someone on the news said. The dude didn't deserve clemency. He hooked up with the best way he could..  Hillsong. Says it ALL as far as I am concerned.

I mean really..?? 

The whole saga has been a tragedy. And it started here in Oz. The Indonesian govt ended it.

What can you say?  our own Federal Police set these guys up.  They claim it was too risky to wait till they came back to Australia,  ??  huh?  They knew when they went .. they presumably had the means to identify them on the way home.  Their excuses don't hold water.
I wonder what the real story is.

However there is apparently no doubt as to their guilt..  so why have we had this huge display of angst ?? 
These two men knew exactly what they were doing. You don't get to that level of criminality without a lot of prior experience. They knew what they were doing.. they just didn't count on the AFP betraying them to a capital punishment country.
I admit I was disgusted at the tactics of the AFP... still am.
The blunt refusal to offer any sort of apology seems to be a rather desperate attempt at justification, after the fact.

Is this tough love.??   

Perhaps they view themselves as the ultimate arbiters of right and wrong..??

I wonder..? if these were white boys..?? would they have been thrown to the wolves.??

As to what are women's biggest issues ... i would say the wage gap is paramount. Women still are not positioned to earn the same wages for the same pay that men are.

Another big issue is violence. Women are still over-represented in violence statistics. An astonishing number of women have died so far this year at the hands of those they once trusted. An equally astonishing number continue to live in fear.

Women are still over-represented in parental care giving. Despite the MRA claiming that women take children form willing and supportive men, the facts are that most women are unsupported entirely by the fathers of their children. The CSA is toothless. Women bear the cost of child rearing. Women bear the cost of child care. Women are the primary givers of care and often not supported in the slightest.

I would like to say loudly that one of the biggest hurdles for women is the MRA. They are deranged. As fanatical feminists have misrepresented what the bulk of us want to say, these loonies have shot men's rights in the foot. There can be no civilised discourse while we are all busy hating eachother.

And may i say, one of the biggest hurdles women face is the backlash towards feminism. As Kaz Cook so brilliantly said "If you say you are not a feminist but don't like to be treated as a small deposit of seagull poo on the windscreen of life, you simply have your terminology wrong".

... or words to that effect.

I agree with all you have said mothra...

I have tried to  umm advise her that she is having these fears for no valid reason...it is a difficult issue to discuss over a pub lunch, and  .. well  .. if I get the opportunity I will follow - up, but really one has to wait for your friend to 'open the door' so to speak.

Here you go Emma. Try slipping this to her:


Jihadist threat not as big as you think
By Peter Bergen and Emily Schneider
updated 8:33 AM EDT, Mon September 29, 2014

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/26/opinion/bergen-schneider-how-many-jihadists/

... wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 4:10pm:



Hows the Australian Bureau of Statistics grab you?

Previous research finds that…
Around one in five Australian women and one in twenty Australian men have experienced violence at the hands of an intimate partner (ABS, 2013).

Between 2005 and 2012 there was no statistically significant change in the proportion of women and men who reported experiencing partner violence (ABS, 2013).

Around 65% of men and women who have experienced current partner violence have experienced more than one incident; with women who have experienced violence by a previous partner more likely than men to have experienced more than one incident (73% compared with 51%; ABS, 2013).

Around half of men and one-quarter of women who have experienced current partner violence have never told anyone about the violence (ABS, 2013).

In 2011-12, three quarters of intimate partner homicide victims were women (AIC, 2015).

In 2012 an estimated 25% of all women aged 18 years and over and 14% of all men aged 18 years and over had experienced emotional abuse by an intimate partner since the age of 15 (ABS, 2013).


http://www.relationships.org.au/what-we-do/research/online-survey/january-2015-d...

... wrote on May 8^th, 2015 at 5:01pm:



I should have said domestic violence, true. An oversight. Apologies.

Firstly, your source for lesbians being the statistically highest group of violence perpetrators please?

Secondly, the majority of male homicides are perpetrated by men. As is the case with male violence and male sexual assault.