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Reply #150 - May 8th, 2015 at 5:17pm
 
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:07pm:
Firstly, your source for lesbians being the statistically highest group of violence perpetrators please?


It was a US study:

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_SOfindings.pdf

TBH I don't think it is quite the same story here, because there is have one factor that will heavily skew the dv rates in Australia that is not present in other countries - aborigines.

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New figures paint an alarming picture of Aboriginal domestic violence, with indigenous offenders responsible for 46 per cent of all reported domestic assaults in WA this year.


https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/10400767/shocking-toll-of-violence-in-the-ho...

Take out the aboriginal component and I'd expect the rates to be much the same as the US study.

mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:07pm:
Secondly, the majority of male homicides are perpetrated by men. As is the case with male violence and male sexual assault.


So?  You said women are "over represented" but this is incorrect.  That is all. 

It seems one of "womens biggest issues" is exaggerating their problems.
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Reply #151 - May 8th, 2015 at 5:24pm
 
Women are not under-represented in DV, which is what i meant to specify. I have already clarified that.

All the information that i can find on same sex partner abuse suggest that both gay and lesbian violence is on par with heterosexual violence. The one thing that came out is that lesbians are more likely to report than gay men ... likewise women are more likely to report than men in heterosexual relationships.

It is still considered to be the case that domestic violence is grossly under-reported across the field.

It is true that Aboriginal women are at significantly higher risk. From memory, they are 45% more likely to be abused than other demographics.
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Reply #152 - May 8th, 2015 at 9:25pm
 
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 12:47pm:
Here you go Emma. Try slipping this to her:


Jihadist threat not as big as you think
By Peter Bergen and Emily Schneider
updated 8:33 AM EDT, Mon September 29, 2014

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/26/opinion/bergen-schneider-how-many-jihadists/


Thanks for that.

As we see in further posts, Honky is misrepresenting himself.. A liar from start to finish. Claims to be  female. 

Liar.
Thing is.. liars like this believe their lies, else they have exactly NOTHING.

Only a male .. and a culpable one at that,  would claim the stuff HE does.
Tongue PUKE
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Reply #153 - May 8th, 2015 at 9:36pm
 
... wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:17pm:
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:07pm:
Firstly, your source for lesbians being the statistically highest group of violence perpetrators please?


It was a US study:

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_SOfindings.pdf

TBH I don't think it is quite the same story here, because there is have one factor that will heavily skew the dv rates in Australia that is not present in other countries - aborigines. Quote:
New figures paint an alarming picture of Aboriginal domestic violence, with indigenous offenders responsible for 46 per cent of all reported domestic assaults in WA this year.


https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/10400767/shocking-toll-of-violence-in-the-ho...

Take out the aboriginal component and I'd expect the rates to be much the same as the US study.
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 5:07pm:
Secondly, the majority of male homicides are perpetrated by men. As is the case with male violence and male sexual assault.


So?  You said women are "over represented" but this is incorrect.  That is all. 

It seems one of "womens biggest issues" is exaggerating their problems.


You remind me very much , with this sort of comment, of someone who is the nastiest  person/man I, and many others have ever faced in their lives before.  A real nightmare.

I wonder you don't express what he did ..often.

"OOH  if only I'd been born a black female, I'd have the world at my feet. "

BET YOU wouldn't want to be a woman,.. let alone an indigenous one. Piece of scum eh??

F off Honky Wesley Pipes..  you mean there were, and are no ethnic people in the US.?? Like we have here.??  Roll Eyes

JOKE..  Sad

Everything gets blamed on women, and aboriginals.. and  LOOK OUT if you happen to be BOTH... 'cos you are in for a load of grief..  Honky pipes.. why don't you just admit you are a rabid anti-women  MALE..

Not anti- feminist,  not anti- activist,  just anti- female.


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Reply #154 - May 9th, 2015 at 8:45pm
 
what a surprise.!!

Nothing from mr Pipes. 
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Reply #155 - May 10th, 2015 at 8:06am
 
It seems then that there are two issues in one.

Clearly, violence is an issue of great concern.

The second clear issue would seem to be gaining consensus that,

a) ALL violence is wrong (regardless of victim gender)
b) Perpetrators demonstrably know no ethnic, religious or cultural bounds. Hence we have finger pointing based on culture, seemingly for no other reason than to deflect the conversation to one of race rather than the negative impact of violence.

It has long been established that violence can and does occur in same sex marriages.

It has also been long established statistically that the majority (currently) of victims are female. Ergo, whist violence is a problem and should not be tolerated on behalf of anyone - it is most clearly a specific issue for women (of ALL cultures).

Oh and that means violence in all of its forms.
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Reply #156 - May 10th, 2015 at 9:10pm
 
Fair comment.

Especially 2 b)
Deflecting blame is a practice used to advantage by many in our society.  Sad
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Reply #157 - May 11th, 2015 at 1:47am
 
I agree with you Phem .... and Emma.

But as much as it pains me to say, Honky is scratching around the genesis of a point when it comes to Aboriginal women.

HE worded it poorly and used the example atrociously BUT Aboriginal women are 45 (might be 48) times more likely than white women to experience DV.

I do not believe this is cultural, i believe it is circumstantial. Where there is gross poverty, grief and loss and disempowerment you will always find people with less physical power abused. It's a 'kick the dog' kind of thing.

It certainly happens across all classes, religions, ethnicities and other demographics but we do have a crisis in this country regarding the safety of Aboriginal women. Some revolting sorts try to blame culture for it. Not true.

There is some very fine work being done by some very fine people regarding this devastating issue. Much more needs doing though.

While we have a government that compartmentalises 'Indigenous affairs' into a single category for fund distribution and nothing else at all we will continue to have these problems. We need spear-headed task forces led by Aboriginal people and with collaboration with Aboriginal people.

Case by case. Situation by situation.

Whatever it takes.
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Reply #158 - May 11th, 2015 at 10:16am
 
Same discussion has been ongoing for over a decade.

Nothing has changed. Just a lot of talking....back and forth. 

And people here seem to think that's enough. They'll be back in another decade googling the latest info sites ...talking back and forth.

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Reply #159 - May 11th, 2015 at 10:17am
 
Emma wrote on May 10th, 2015 at 9:10pm:
Fair comment.

Especially 2 b)
Deflecting blame is a practice used to advantage by many in our society.  Sad


Victim blaming you mean.
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Reply #160 - May 11th, 2015 at 11:42am
 
mothra wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 1:47am:
I do not believe this is cultural, i believe it is circumstantial. Where there is gross poverty, grief and loss and disempowerment you will always find people with less physical power abused. It's a 'kick the dog' kind of thing.



Poverty rate: 2,548,496 Australians (13.9%) living below the poverty line

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-12/poverty-levels-among-australians-on-the-ri...

abo/torres strait islander population of Australia - 669 891.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3238.0.55.001

There's a lot more poor people of other races than there are abos in total.  Why aren't poor honkies (or other ethnicities) in the same circumstance beating the poo out of their families at the same rate as abos?  Probably because they weren't raised in a culture of violence.
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Reply #161 - May 11th, 2015 at 12:13pm
 
mothra wrote on May 11th, 2015 at 1:47am:

I do not believe this is cultural, i believe it is circumstantial.
Your "belief" is wrong
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Where there is gross poverty, grief and loss and disempowerment you will always find people with less physical power abused.
yes you do, you just find it 48 times more amongst aboriginals.
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Reply #162 - May 11th, 2015 at 3:05pm
 
It is both cultural and circumstantial-- when pp are dispossessed and lose their basic human  rights they feel powerless - this causes loss of self esteem and hatred- within themselves and towards others, which in turn breeds violence.
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Reply #163 - May 11th, 2015 at 3:13pm
 
It's pretty obvious that ones circumstances are a part of their culture.  If my "circumstances" meant I was a homeless bum, I'd have a hard time fitting into the culture of high society.  Conversely, a billionaire probably wouldn't fit into bogan culture.
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Reply #164 - May 11th, 2015 at 4:04pm
 
i know its unpopular but the truth is abos have a cultural proclivity towards domestic violence.
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