rhino wrote on May 12
th, 2015 at 3:59pm:
Phemanderac wrote on May 12
th, 2015 at 6:53am:
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The major victims by the way are not ADULTS who, presumably, should know better and certainly should do better, the really major victims are children...
This gets lost consistently in all the competitive angst disguised as a debate.
And no, this doesnt get lost on my at all. Do you think the
fact that white kids are much more likely to be removed from families where they are being abused than abo kids helps them any? Why dont we keep pretending theres no issue with these people.
Sigh, the fact is, kids being abused, neglected (witnessing DV does fall under abuse and neglect) will be removed if;
a) The matter is reported and the FACT the kids witnessed it is also reported - that will mean a mandatory report to the appropriate state child protection authority.
b) The issue scores high enough on the ROSH scale.... (ROSH = Risk of Serious Harm).
Now a couple of things to consider there are;
The ages of the children - the older they are the less likely removal is.
Aboriginal children are removed, albeit, a bit more reluctantly due to Stolen Generation issues - yep a fact. However, age is a factor still.
Now personally, with regard to child protection, I would posit that it is underfunded and consequently under resources. As such, not ALL children at risk get removed, despite numerous reports.... A sad reality.
Oh, and child protection workers are also just people too, as such, sometimes errors of judgement occur. Sadly, this can also cost kids their lives, happiness or fail to protect their well being.
And try to remember, in all of this, whether it be due to DV or other issues of child abuse, neglect or failure to provide protection - it began with the parents more often than not.
So, resolve or at least reduce the occurrences of DV and a big child protection issue is also resolved.
Not sure who is pretending there is no issue with "these people" clearly they are people, so there are issues. Why do we spend so much energy denying our own issues I wonder?
Finally, that comment was not aimed solely at you, in fact it is clearly articulated. All the angst ridden (and I will add, finger pointing) people claim as "debate" blatantly ignores discussing child safety or well being concerns.
This thread is no different, given in all the pages so far, it had not come up til I pointed it out.
So, I am please it is not lost on you, however, your response clearly demonstrates the opinion that it is mostly about them other fellas - when in FACT it is about all of us.