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Agnes wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 1:27am:



Agreed

mothra wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 1:54am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 8:51am:


Remember now Lisa, one of the reasons you hate me is because i have the life you pretend to have.

Perfectly happy with a good man and kids.

Yes of course you do ....you poor thing.

My apologies.

I happen to cuddle up and sleep with my REAL husband at night.

You on the other hand stay up online all night instead.

I must remember just how REAL your lies are ....to you.

My bad 

mothra wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 1:54am:


"society" is over 50% female - and you know it's the other ~50% that value the stay at home mother. 

But let me guess - womens own behaviour is all the fault of THE PATRIARCHY^tm

... wrote on Jun 4^th, 2015 at 11:06am:


Lol.

Don't waste your energy.

I don't.

So then it would seem that this debate is not in point of fact then one of Women's biggest issues.

Further, it would seem that it is not about feminism either, it is about humanism....

Treating all people fairly and facilitating them realizing their individual strengths and contribution to society regardless of gender, race, religion or socio-economic situation....

I don't think all people are, in fact, born equal - that's just how things go, we have genetic differences, we have environmental differences, we have developmental differences and then we have gender differences as well.

Mothra, I actually don't struggle with the idea that some Men are more drawn to tradition female roles, interests etc - I have long understood that. I also realise that our current social model does not encourage, except or do much more than denegrade these men generally...Likewise, there are some women who reciprocate with regard to "traditional" male roles, interests etc....

I guess we can only, at best though, speak in generalities and in this I think we seem to agree to some extent, to be honest. I think the problem with our "social constructs" around male/female roles, is that overtime, rather than reflect what we should have learned about our species from nature, the system plays to identified male strengths (not just physical strength, but abilities) (in general terms) whilst totally ignoring (for the main part) the identified female strengths (except where it suits a purpose and not necessarily in positive ways, e.g the idea that women are better nurturers, therefore should look after children - both genders know how to nurture our young), or at least downplaying those strengths as having any value to society (in modern terms that means business, productivity and making money...)

So, yep, we do need to make some BIG changes to how we have been doing life. Hopefully, as a species we will one day stumble out of our adolescent and self centred fog and start stepping up to;

a) Take a bit of personal responsibility en masse (it's hard work on those few individuals who already do after all)

b) Learn to be respectful of what other people can do, achieve and provide. You know, rather than just discriminate against them because they are the wrong colour, religion, gender, the wrong hair colour, not wealthy enough.... The list goes on.

As an aside, I heard a fellow the other night say that Australia has a peculiar kind of racism.....

I think this racism idea is a poor choice of words.

I think what people do not understand about Australian's (hell, even Australian's don't seem to get this) is that we do not discriminate with who we discriminate against, we just lump it all into racism. This in turn then creates self defeating arguments....

Back to the point - perhaps, we need to really try to avoid any and all isms - and learn a bit about appropriate discrimination.